Comments on: Iowa Prison Program that Saves Prisoner “Pagans” is Ruled Unconstitutional http://jonathanturley.org/2007/12/04/iowa-prison-program-that-saves-prisoner-pagans-is-ruled-unconstitutional/ Res ipsa loquitur ("The thing itself speaks") Wed, 25 Nov 2009 04:47:16 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: deeply worried http://jonathanturley.org/2007/12/04/iowa-prison-program-that-saves-prisoner-pagans-is-ruled-unconstitutional/#comment-2658 deeply worried Wed, 05 Dec 2007 03:18:02 +0000 http://jonathanturley.org/2007/12/04/iowa-prison-program-that-saves-prisoner-pagans-is-ruled-unconstitutional/#comment-2658 No argument there. No argument there.

]]> By: Commoner http://jonathanturley.org/2007/12/04/iowa-prison-program-that-saves-prisoner-pagans-is-ruled-unconstitutional/#comment-2654 Commoner Wed, 05 Dec 2007 01:31:52 +0000 http://jonathanturley.org/2007/12/04/iowa-prison-program-that-saves-prisoner-pagans-is-ruled-unconstitutional/#comment-2654 Sorry deeply worried, I was multi tasking in the blogosphere and thought I was responting to Patty. I don't beleive that this church is interested in the prisoner's welfare as much as they are interested in claiming their souls for Jesus. Sorry deeply worried, I was multi tasking in the blogosphere and thought I was responting to Patty. I don’t beleive that this church is interested in the prisoner’s welfare as much as they are interested in claiming their souls for Jesus.

]]> By: deeply worried http://jonathanturley.org/2007/12/04/iowa-prison-program-that-saves-prisoner-pagans-is-ruled-unconstitutional/#comment-2648 deeply worried Tue, 04 Dec 2007 22:34:33 +0000 http://jonathanturley.org/2007/12/04/iowa-prison-program-that-saves-prisoner-pagans-is-ruled-unconstitutional/#comment-2648 Commoner, were you answering my post or some other by Patty C? I didn't see any from her on this thread (unless it was deleted) Commoner, were you answering my post or some other by Patty C? I didn’t see any from her on this thread (unless it was deleted)

]]> By: Commoner http://jonathanturley.org/2007/12/04/iowa-prison-program-that-saves-prisoner-pagans-is-ruled-unconstitutional/#comment-2630 Commoner Tue, 04 Dec 2007 17:09:36 +0000 http://jonathanturley.org/2007/12/04/iowa-prison-program-that-saves-prisoner-pagans-is-ruled-unconstitutional/#comment-2630 No offence to you Patty C, but it seems that the church is much more interested in prostelyzing than in the welfare of the prisoners. Jews for Jesus, funded largely by the Baptists, employs similiar tactics, snagging religously confused or elderly jews and then converting them to Christianity. The strategy here is similiar; many prisoners would grab on to any program that gets them better treatment, just as a religously desperate person is easier to deceive. Preying on the weak is not exactly something any religion should be proud of. No offence to you Patty C, but it seems that the church is much more interested in prostelyzing than in the welfare of the prisoners. Jews for Jesus, funded largely by the Baptists, employs similiar tactics, snagging religously confused or elderly jews and then converting them to Christianity. The strategy here is similiar; many prisoners would grab on to any program that gets them better treatment, just as a religously desperate person is easier to deceive. Preying on the weak is not exactly something any religion should be proud of.

]]> By: deeply worried http://jonathanturley.org/2007/12/04/iowa-prison-program-that-saves-prisoner-pagans-is-ruled-unconstitutional/#comment-2625 deeply worried Tue, 04 Dec 2007 15:11:48 +0000 http://jonathanturley.org/2007/12/04/iowa-prison-program-that-saves-prisoner-pagans-is-ruled-unconstitutional/#comment-2625 The 8th Circuit was spot-on. Many of us believe that government is forbidden to spend any public monies whatsoever in support of any religious enterprise even if that enterprise is aimed at the general good with no religious qualifications attached. The faith-based programs of this administration are (to me at least) facially unconstitutional. The government cannot violate the separation of church and state merely because a laudable goal of social welfare is furthered thereby. The 8th Circuit was spot-on.

Many of us believe that government is forbidden to spend any public monies whatsoever in support of any religious enterprise even if that enterprise is aimed at the general good with no religious qualifications attached. The faith-based programs of this administration are (to me at least) facially unconstitutional. The government cannot violate the separation of church and state merely because a laudable goal of social welfare is furthered thereby.

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