What is to stop someone from “creating” the same situation and gunning your ignorant asses down anytime they want?

Nothing is.

I hope you don’t ever have to experience that one day, though it would be karma if ya did.

If you dumb hicks want to go back to the wild wild west feel free to secede, make that moron Perry your President. Good luck with that.

if guns are neither good or bad what does it matter where the ammo is stored? Ok store them both in a gun safe. I store my rifles in my closet with the bolts in another part of the house and my ammunition in ammo boxes in the closet. The rifles cannot be used unless the bolts are in place.

Why ban them in populated areas? A rational person is going to go to a shooting range or an unpopulated area to shoot. We should ban certain people judged mentally incompetent from owning guns. Its the actor not the object that causes problems. If I am a nut case I can take my car and kill a bunch of people on a crowded street as easily as if I used an automatic rifle.

Why is it that people worry so much about gun safety and not swimming pool safety? According to my search there were 3,500 accidental drownings in the US vs about 700 accidental firearm deaths. Granted swimming pools are generally not used in armed robberies. But the I think the point is valid.

First, no need to lecture me on responsible gun owners; I am one, I shoot\hunt regularly. I have a 30.06 that’s my hunting rifle, and I also have a little single shot .22 I keep around for sentimental reasons, and because I really enjoy shooting it. I’m well aware of the fact that guns are a tool, and not inherently good or bad.

The reason I said that the two were incompatible was because I read “fully automatic weapons under our beds and a couple of thousand rounds of ammunition to go with them if we want,” to mean that the ammo and the gun are both under the bed, and I suspect most other people do too. I’m pretty sure I don’t need to explain why that’s not safe use.

The current SCOTUS ruling on the Second amendment allows “reasonable restrictions” on gun ownership. I think banning automatic weapons in heavily populated areas is perfectly reasonable.

no they are not incompatible, why do you think they are?

If the weapon is not loaded how is it unsafe? Guns are inanimate objects lacking in free will or any other kind of will.
they will sit for a thousand years and not harm anyone (loaded or not).

I have shot automatic weapons and semi-automatic weapons before and they dont seem to me to be any more dangerous than a colonial muzzle loader of which I have shot a facsimile. A little more muzzle energy perhaps.

I am interested in why you think a gun cannot be used safely by someone that is properly traind to use one? The NRA and other organizations have good training programs and many of the instructors have been in the military and law enforcement.

Personally I think congress over reached with the 1934 act banning the sale of automatic weapons. the court should have judged it to be unconstitutional under the 2nd amendment. I dont know for a fact but intuition tells me that had the founders had access to automatic weapons the minute men would have had them.

You realize that “safe use” and having “fully automatic weapons under our beds and a couple of thousand rounds of ammunition to go with them if we want,” are pretty much incompatible right?

go read an essay by Thomas Bowden on the Horn break in, as someone who likes objectivism I was surprised by his essay. He was basically against the shootings for the legal reason that Mr. Horn did not appear to be in any danger as evidenced by his dialog with the dispatcher.

I dont know how I feel about this type of thing, I believe in gun rights, I think we all ought to have fully automatic weapons under our beds and a couple of thousand rounds of ammunition to go with them if we want. We all also ought to be trained in the safe use and handling of these weapons.

I think on the whole that you cannot go around shooting someone willy nilly because they broke into your house. I think you should ask them to leave and call the police. If they do not, then bring out the shotgun and ask them again, if they do not, ask them to get on the floor, if they do not, fire a warning shot into the floor or ceiling. Finally if you must shoot, then shoot them in the leg or arm and call the ambulance immediately.

For the typical criminal I should think the “universal” sound of a shotgun having a shell set into the chamber would be enough for them to leave.

Unless they are IN the house, castle laws are a garbage defense. If they get in or do something to try and drive you out like setting the house on fire, sure, shoot ‘em up, but running after them isn’t defense. It’s murder, pure and simple. It doesn’t take an analytical genius to piece that one together. But it is Texas after all. Bloodthirsty and stupid is what the state excels at.

Corollary 1: You may only kill over earned property. Inherited property, interest on earned property, and property acquired by rents may not be resisted with deadly force. Post stickers on it to tell the difference.

Corollary 2: Property that you steal may be protected with deadly force because your worked for it with blood, sweat and tears. Therefore if you are caught stealing the property of someone else, kill everyone around because YOU HAVE EARNED IT.

Is that about right oh philosopher from the nut house?

“Thank you Mr. Horn for stopping two illegals from ever robbing anybody ever again; something that lame liberal judges and politicians cannot seem to accomplish.”
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Now please move on to spread your brand of frontier justice to illegal lane changers, jay walkers and the most vile of all, those who would spit upon the roadways and sidewalks of our great (father)land. Woe to the illegals among us. If they do it, shoot them twice–once for the offense and once for being here to work like dogs to feed their families. Mike M would never consider such a move, he would just let them die, or worse yet move them to San Francisco.

Why should innocent people stand by and be victimized by these predators? Career criminals who ‘only’ want to rob you or take what you’ve worked hard for?

Sorry — property is worth killing over. Property represents hard work — blood, sweat and tears — and no one has the right to take that away.

The dispatcher was wrong. What Mr Horn did was right, even if it may shake the boots of urban incontinents everywhere.