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	<title>Comments on: Hate Speech or State Coercion?: Video of  Ezra Levant Hearing Raises Serious Questions over Hate Speech Investigations in Canada</title>
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		<title>By: Cartoon Controversy II: The Farce &#171; The Arizona Desert Lamp</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cartoon Controversy II: The Farce &#171; The Arizona Desert Lamp]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 02:43:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] there&#8217;s hate speech.&#8221; Perhaps that would be true if we lived in Canada (a country with notoriously stringent hate speech prohibitions), but sadly we have this thing called the First Amendment, which protects [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] there&#8217;s hate speech.&#8221; Perhaps that would be true if we lived in Canada (a country with notoriously stringent hate speech prohibitions), but sadly we have this thing called the First Amendment, which protects [...]</p>
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		<title>By: deeply worried</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[deeply worried]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 20:33:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If any doubt the pessimism in the last paragraph above...

Donahue and his organization and the National Chamber Litigation Center were crowing with ill-concealed glee, the ruling in Stoneridge LLC v Scientific-Atlanta that just came down.  Another victory for the corporate defense bar and probably the last nail in the coffin for &quot;scheme liability&quot;.  

This follows the Tellabs and Dura decisions in our current Court&#039;s extreme solicitude for the expunging of shareholder lawsuits in general.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If any doubt the pessimism in the last paragraph above&#8230;</p>
<p>Donahue and his organization and the National Chamber Litigation Center were crowing with ill-concealed glee, the ruling in Stoneridge LLC v Scientific-Atlanta that just came down.  Another victory for the corporate defense bar and probably the last nail in the coffin for &#8220;scheme liability&#8221;.  </p>
<p>This follows the Tellabs and Dura decisions in our current Court&#8217;s extreme solicitude for the expunging of shareholder lawsuits in general.</p>
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		<title>By: deeply worried</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[deeply worried]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 22:16:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[SadButTrue,

Thank you. Thank you, for bringing Donahue&#039;s outrageous remarks to our attention.  I was aware of them earlier through other sources, but so far no thread topic has offered a vehicle to bring them up...

Sometime it seems to me that almost all the issues brought up here and at other sites on the web play out against the backdrop of the longterm historical struggle between national governments and the &quot;economic sector&quot;.  It seems as if the latter is in the ascendency....precisely because it has the means and delivery mechanisms of effecting the democratic process especially when it applies to the judiciary.

Donahue&#039;s organization has been campaigning against judges for years that they deem insufficiently friendly to Business.  Since they have ample funds, they have enjoyed a tremendous success rate in their campaigns.  Now they are targeting state AG races as well. So, all of our talk about constitutional issues must play out against the backdrop of a judiciary and legal system increasingly solicitous of business interests...back to substantive due process a la Lochner I am afraid.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SadButTrue,</p>
<p>Thank you. Thank you, for bringing Donahue&#8217;s outrageous remarks to our attention.  I was aware of them earlier through other sources, but so far no thread topic has offered a vehicle to bring them up&#8230;</p>
<p>Sometime it seems to me that almost all the issues brought up here and at other sites on the web play out against the backdrop of the longterm historical struggle between national governments and the &#8220;economic sector&#8221;.  It seems as if the latter is in the ascendency&#8230;.precisely because it has the means and delivery mechanisms of effecting the democratic process especially when it applies to the judiciary.</p>
<p>Donahue&#8217;s organization has been campaigning against judges for years that they deem insufficiently friendly to Business.  Since they have ample funds, they have enjoyed a tremendous success rate in their campaigns.  Now they are targeting state AG races as well. So, all of our talk about constitutional issues must play out against the backdrop of a judiciary and legal system increasingly solicitous of business interests&#8230;back to substantive due process a la Lochner I am afraid.</p>
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		<title>By: SadButTrue</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[SadButTrue]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 21:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am a Canadian. The idea of limiting hate speech seems reasonable enough until you start addressing the issue of where to draw the line. My understanding is that in this country it resides somewhere near the point of inciting others to violence, or at least some violation of law.

This case takes the presumption upon which the law seems to be based and turns it on its ear. In previous cases the concern was that the offender would incite violence against the victim group - holocaust deniers fomenting anti-Semitic actions for instance. I think here the fear is that the violence will come reactively FROM the &#039;victim&#039; group - ie. Islamic extremists. I doubt that the law anticipated this twist.

Drifting from the immediate topic, I think free speech concerns in the U.S. have been turned on their ear by the systemic incursion into the political arena by big business. This is exacerbated by the odious concepts of Corporate Personhood on the one hand and the extension of First Amendment rights to commercial entities.

Consider  recent statements from U.S. Chamber of Commerce president Tom Donahue. Announcing an unprecedented amount of money to be spent in the upcoming election he refers to his constituency of multinationals as a &#039;grass roots movement.&#039; This is not We The People, people. 
&lt;a href=&quot;http://unrulymob.blogspot.com/2008/01/oligarchs-strike-back.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;My Blog Reaction&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a Canadian. The idea of limiting hate speech seems reasonable enough until you start addressing the issue of where to draw the line. My understanding is that in this country it resides somewhere near the point of inciting others to violence, or at least some violation of law.</p>
<p>This case takes the presumption upon which the law seems to be based and turns it on its ear. In previous cases the concern was that the offender would incite violence against the victim group &#8211; holocaust deniers fomenting anti-Semitic actions for instance. I think here the fear is that the violence will come reactively FROM the &#8216;victim&#8217; group &#8211; ie. Islamic extremists. I doubt that the law anticipated this twist.</p>
<p>Drifting from the immediate topic, I think free speech concerns in the U.S. have been turned on their ear by the systemic incursion into the political arena by big business. This is exacerbated by the odious concepts of Corporate Personhood on the one hand and the extension of First Amendment rights to commercial entities.</p>
<p>Consider  recent statements from U.S. Chamber of Commerce president Tom Donahue. Announcing an unprecedented amount of money to be spent in the upcoming election he refers to his constituency of multinationals as a &#8216;grass roots movement.&#8217; This is not We The People, people.<br />
<a href="http://unrulymob.blogspot.com/2008/01/oligarchs-strike-back.html" rel="nofollow">My Blog Reaction</a></p>
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		<title>By: deeply worried</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[deeply worried]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 19:49:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A constitutional area that I depart from some liberal orthodoxy is that area of &quot;hate speech&quot;.

I dislike it as it seems facially counter to both the words and intent of the free speech clause.

I admit to being an admirer and follower of Justice Hugo Black&#039;s absolutism here.  &quot;&#039;No law&#039; means no law.&quot;

Life is easy as a Blackian absolutist: we don&#039;t have to worry about balancing tests, community standards, fighting words doctrine, or any of the other of it.
   
Saying certain words or speaking to certain topics in airport security gate lines has also been forbidden and this ban too is facially unconstitutional in my opinion.  Not that my opinion carries much weight!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A constitutional area that I depart from some liberal orthodoxy is that area of &#8220;hate speech&#8221;.</p>
<p>I dislike it as it seems facially counter to both the words and intent of the free speech clause.</p>
<p>I admit to being an admirer and follower of Justice Hugo Black&#8217;s absolutism here.  &#8220;&#8216;No law&#8217; means no law.&#8221;</p>
<p>Life is easy as a Blackian absolutist: we don&#8217;t have to worry about balancing tests, community standards, fighting words doctrine, or any of the other of it.</p>
<p>Saying certain words or speaking to certain topics in airport security gate lines has also been forbidden and this ban too is facially unconstitutional in my opinion.  Not that my opinion carries much weight!</p>
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