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	<title>Comments on: Rosa Parks Part II:  Israeli Women Fight Against Attacks and Segregation on Public Buses</title>
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	<description>Res ipsa loquitur (&#34;The thing itself speaks&#34;)</description>
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		<title>By: Margo Arrowsmith</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Margo Arrowsmith]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 01:13:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I really appreciate that you published this.  The comparison to Rosa Parks so so apt. I have included a link to this post in the above listed site.  Thanks for helping to give more dimension to my work. 

The whole thing got me to thinking about Sojourner Truth, and I went back and read her &quot;Ain&#039;t I a Woman?&quot; speech where she so elequintly brought together the women&#039;s and movement with the Anti-slavery.  

Parks, just by showing that it was a woman who did it, (although in those days it had to be a woman) who started the whole thing, showed that women have the strength of which Truth spoke. 

And now the women of Israel are the ones who are standing up for themselves, regardless of how many men participate in this form of discrimination. 

 It all ties together and thank you for aiding the process. 

Margo Arrowsmith]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really appreciate that you published this.  The comparison to Rosa Parks so so apt. I have included a link to this post in the above listed site.  Thanks for helping to give more dimension to my work. </p>
<p>The whole thing got me to thinking about Sojourner Truth, and I went back and read her &#8220;Ain&#8217;t I a Woman?&#8221; speech where she so elequintly brought together the women&#8217;s and movement with the Anti-slavery.  </p>
<p>Parks, just by showing that it was a woman who did it, (although in those days it had to be a woman) who started the whole thing, showed that women have the strength of which Truth spoke. </p>
<p>And now the women of Israel are the ones who are standing up for themselves, regardless of how many men participate in this form of discrimination. </p>
<p> It all ties together and thank you for aiding the process. </p>
<p>Margo Arrowsmith</p>
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		<title>By: jonathanturley</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 21:55:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Excellent point.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent point.</p>
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		<title>By: commoner</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 21:43:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Professor, while I agree with you that this attack was horrible, as a person that has lived in the middle east for some time, I must correct some of your assumptions here. Israeli Orthodox men, who are largely made up of ashkenazic and sephardic jews (jews from Europe and North Africa, respectively) on the whole do not act aggressively towards women who they feel are substandard in their religous observance. I might add that they don&#039;t act aggressively towards anyone. There is a small minority among the hassidic sects who do behave in this manner when they are faced with any serious breach of their own religous code, such as a state ordered autopsy of one of their own. I traveled on many buses in Israel through religous neighborhoods with irreligous people and never saw such heckling/abuse, though it obviously occurs. This minority of religous Israeli society gives the rest a bad name, though they are relatively few in number.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Professor, while I agree with you that this attack was horrible, as a person that has lived in the middle east for some time, I must correct some of your assumptions here. Israeli Orthodox men, who are largely made up of ashkenazic and sephardic jews (jews from Europe and North Africa, respectively) on the whole do not act aggressively towards women who they feel are substandard in their religous observance. I might add that they don&#8217;t act aggressively towards anyone. There is a small minority among the hassidic sects who do behave in this manner when they are faced with any serious breach of their own religous code, such as a state ordered autopsy of one of their own. I traveled on many buses in Israel through religous neighborhoods with irreligous people and never saw such heckling/abuse, though it obviously occurs. This minority of religous Israeli society gives the rest a bad name, though they are relatively few in number.</p>
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		<title>By: deeply worried</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[deeply worried]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 20:07:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I would urge everyone to investigate the field of international law and especially how it impinges upon our own constitutional jurisprudence. 

Issues such as the above, point out to the tension between generally accepted human rights standards and the law in local jurisdictions.

Notwithstanding the US recalcitrance in joining the ICC, and even passing that &quot;Hague Invasion Act&quot;, (OK the Serviceman Protection Act of 2002), the tide will surely albeit slowly turn against parochial and insular legal practices that run counter to evolving international standards.

Yes, there will be dangers in forfeiting some modicum of national sovereignty, but safeguards can be built in and the system can be made to work.  

As a more local example, remember the recalcitrance the South displayed after Brown and Brown II: the federal courts were compelled to come in to fight against &quot;local standards&quot;.  Israel&#039;s women don&#039;t currently enjoy such an intervention.

But it might be a good thing if they did.  :)

In the meantime, Professor Turley&#039;s suggestions about Israeli constitutional reform seem very attractive.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would urge everyone to investigate the field of international law and especially how it impinges upon our own constitutional jurisprudence. </p>
<p>Issues such as the above, point out to the tension between generally accepted human rights standards and the law in local jurisdictions.</p>
<p>Notwithstanding the US recalcitrance in joining the ICC, and even passing that &#8220;Hague Invasion Act&#8221;, (OK the Serviceman Protection Act of 2002), the tide will surely albeit slowly turn against parochial and insular legal practices that run counter to evolving international standards.</p>
<p>Yes, there will be dangers in forfeiting some modicum of national sovereignty, but safeguards can be built in and the system can be made to work.  </p>
<p>As a more local example, remember the recalcitrance the South displayed after Brown and Brown II: the federal courts were compelled to come in to fight against &#8220;local standards&#8221;.  Israel&#8217;s women don&#8217;t currently enjoy such an intervention.</p>
<p>But it might be a good thing if they did.  <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>In the meantime, Professor Turley&#8217;s suggestions about Israeli constitutional reform seem very attractive.</p>
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