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	<title>Comments on: Winston Who?: One in Four British Citizens Believe Churchill Never Existed</title>
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	<description>Res ipsa loquitur (&#34;The thing itself speaks&#34;)</description>
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		<title>By: Dr Duncan Druhl</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/02/05/winston-who-one-in-four-british-citizens-believe-churchill-never-existed/#comment-29525</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr Duncan Druhl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 00:42:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having grown up in the US and lived in the UK, Europe, and Canada, education systems in most of the western world are evaporating from a base of rigour that might have been established 40 years ago.  Indeed, at that time British and French educational systems were very strict and demonstrated highly stringent standards.  There was none of this &#039;progressive&#039; invasion that began in the 60&#039;s.  

I used to employ university graduates in the UK who could not spell.  They put the blame directly on the progressive system that had swept through their schools in the 60&#039;s and 70&#039;s.

The US, Canada, and France - systems of which I have experience are similarly devalued.  The French system used to be 5 and a half days a week and turned out children who would jump one or two grades if they came to North America.  Not true any longer.  Pressure over the years from teacher unions and allowing politics to dictate education has devalued the French system as surely as it has the North American ones.

My wife is a web administrator and she used to receive regular e-mail enquiries or administrative issues from the US customer base.  I used to have to help her translate the spelling mistakes and grammar errors because they were barely readable in at least 50% of the mails.

In light of this major educational devaluing program that has obviously been applied over most of the western world for the last few decades, is it any wonder that the USA has allowed its presidential election process to become not just a shambles, but an insult to intelligence, where demagoguery and vacuous positioning (the other candidate) are substituted for political debate?  What on earth would McCain and Obama have said about Quemoy and Matsu?  &quot;Huh?&quot; is the first thing that comes to mind.

We&#039;re doomed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having grown up in the US and lived in the UK, Europe, and Canada, education systems in most of the western world are evaporating from a base of rigour that might have been established 40 years ago.  Indeed, at that time British and French educational systems were very strict and demonstrated highly stringent standards.  There was none of this &#8216;progressive&#8217; invasion that began in the 60&#8217;s.  </p>
<p>I used to employ university graduates in the UK who could not spell.  They put the blame directly on the progressive system that had swept through their schools in the 60&#8217;s and 70&#8217;s.</p>
<p>The US, Canada, and France &#8211; systems of which I have experience are similarly devalued.  The French system used to be 5 and a half days a week and turned out children who would jump one or two grades if they came to North America.  Not true any longer.  Pressure over the years from teacher unions and allowing politics to dictate education has devalued the French system as surely as it has the North American ones.</p>
<p>My wife is a web administrator and she used to receive regular e-mail enquiries or administrative issues from the US customer base.  I used to have to help her translate the spelling mistakes and grammar errors because they were barely readable in at least 50% of the mails.</p>
<p>In light of this major educational devaluing program that has obviously been applied over most of the western world for the last few decades, is it any wonder that the USA has allowed its presidential election process to become not just a shambles, but an insult to intelligence, where demagoguery and vacuous positioning (the other candidate) are substituted for political debate?  What on earth would McCain and Obama have said about Quemoy and Matsu?  &#8220;Huh?&#8221; is the first thing that comes to mind.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re doomed.</p>
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		<title>By: mespo727272</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 19:42:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on. 
--- Winston S. Churchill</description>
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&#8212; Winston S. Churchill</p>
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		<title>By: jonathanturley</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/02/05/winston-who-one-in-four-british-citizens-believe-churchill-never-existed/#comment-29270</link>
		<dc:creator>jonathanturley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 18:32:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh Susan, these tests indicate that our species is going into de-evolution around the globe.  This blog shows ample support for the reverse trend away from the intelligent biped model.  Witch doctors in Alaska, people killing boys for love letters, children burned at witches . . . at this rate, we will lose the cerebral cortex entirely by year 2026 (2027 at the latest).  I, for one, have locked away the secret to fire (pictorial of course) for the coming post-homo sapiens era.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh Susan, these tests indicate that our species is going into de-evolution around the globe.  This blog shows ample support for the reverse trend away from the intelligent biped model.  Witch doctors in Alaska, people killing boys for love letters, children burned at witches . . . at this rate, we will lose the cerebral cortex entirely by year 2026 (2027 at the latest).  I, for one, have locked away the secret to fire (pictorial of course) for the coming post-homo sapiens era.</p>
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		<title>By: Elected Officials Score Lower on Civics Tests Than Average Citizens (Who Score Lower than Basic Condiments) &#171; JONATHAN TURLEY</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/02/05/winston-who-one-in-four-british-citizens-believe-churchill-never-existed/#comment-29252</link>
		<dc:creator>Elected Officials Score Lower on Civics Tests Than Average Citizens (Who Score Lower than Basic Condiments) &#171; JONATHAN TURLEY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 13:53:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] If it is any solace, our English cousins appear equally ill-informed on history, click here. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] If it is any solace, our English cousins appear equally ill-informed on history, click here. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Winston Who? : BigMouthFrog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Winston Who? : BigMouthFrog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 22:03:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] One in Four British Citizens Believe Churchill Never Existed [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Susan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 18:22:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I couldn&#039;t agree more!  Sadly, this miserable state of affairs in education has been the case in American schools for a long time, and it is getting steadily worse.  What surprises me is that this absence of British history is coming from the BRITISH school system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I couldn&#8217;t agree more!  Sadly, this miserable state of affairs in education has been the case in American schools for a long time, and it is getting steadily worse.  What surprises me is that this absence of British history is coming from the BRITISH school system.</p>
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		<title>By: Esteban</title>
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		<dc:creator>Esteban</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 17:16:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wish I could say I was surprised. It gets even worse when the teachers are among the ones who don&#039;t know these things. 

It&#039;s kind of surreal to be in a US History class with a teacher who doesn&#039;t know how many amendments there in the constitution, or about Pearl Harbor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish I could say I was surprised. It gets even worse when the teachers are among the ones who don&#8217;t know these things. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s kind of surreal to be in a US History class with a teacher who doesn&#8217;t know how many amendments there in the constitution, or about Pearl Harbor.</p>
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