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	<title>Comments on: Clinton Aide Harold Ickes Predicts that Superdelegates with Give Clinton the Nomination Even If Obama Wins Remainder of Primaries</title>
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		<title>By: Harold Ickes, If Obama Wins He Still Loses : BigMouthFrog</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Harold Ickes, If Obama Wins He Still Loses : BigMouthFrog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 17:00:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Vincent Caminiti</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Vincent Caminiti]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2008 18:10:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[HUBRIS II - The Movie

In 2004 - Howard Wolfson told New York magazine that  &quot; ... outside of the John Kerry campaign, Ickes was &quot;the most important person in the Democratic Party today.&quot;

Sometimes I think this is much like the plot devices used by so many of my beloved mystery writers, such as Doyle and Christie.  Its the plot whereby late in the story we learn that the victim was taking small amounts of arsenic in order to build up a tolerance and thereby not killed by the otherwise fatal dose administered in the same and final potable with the victim.

Not unlike the Bush Administration - they (The Clinton War Machine)  dutifully administers little bits of information to the otherwise tempestuous masses in order to anneal acceptance to the Party elites wishes.  The same Party Elite that has still to realize that it was strategic bungling, abuses of power and the irresponsible politics of the Democratic elite that provided the opportunity for a neo-con coup of our government.  Ickes is the William Krystol of Left.

The Party elite have no benefit if Obama were to become the nominee - and everything to gain if one of their own - Clinton - is tapped.  So ... why not just condition the public and the pull an inside game?  It&#039;s not like they haven&#039;t done it before.   They will try, but I think after nearly 8 years of unrestrained hubris, large pockets of the electorate can recognize a duck by its waddle and don&#039;t necessarily have to wait for the quack.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HUBRIS II &#8211; The Movie</p>
<p>In 2004 &#8211; Howard Wolfson told New York magazine that  &#8221; &#8230; outside of the John Kerry campaign, Ickes was &#8220;the most important person in the Democratic Party today.&#8221;</p>
<p>Sometimes I think this is much like the plot devices used by so many of my beloved mystery writers, such as Doyle and Christie.  Its the plot whereby late in the story we learn that the victim was taking small amounts of arsenic in order to build up a tolerance and thereby not killed by the otherwise fatal dose administered in the same and final potable with the victim.</p>
<p>Not unlike the Bush Administration &#8211; they (The Clinton War Machine)  dutifully administers little bits of information to the otherwise tempestuous masses in order to anneal acceptance to the Party elites wishes.  The same Party Elite that has still to realize that it was strategic bungling, abuses of power and the irresponsible politics of the Democratic elite that provided the opportunity for a neo-con coup of our government.  Ickes is the William Krystol of Left.</p>
<p>The Party elite have no benefit if Obama were to become the nominee &#8211; and everything to gain if one of their own &#8211; Clinton &#8211; is tapped.  So &#8230; why not just condition the public and the pull an inside game?  It&#8217;s not like they haven&#8217;t done it before.   They will try, but I think after nearly 8 years of unrestrained hubris, large pockets of the electorate can recognize a duck by its waddle and don&#8217;t necessarily have to wait for the quack.</p>
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		<title>By: jonathanturley</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/02/16/clinton-aide-harold-ickes-predicts-that-superdelegates-with-give-clinton-the-nomination-even-if-obama-wins-remainder-of-primaries/#comment-6728</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2008 12:58:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The strategy does have the signature of Beltway insiders, who relish procedural machinations and technical victories.  They have little appreciation of how repulsed citizens are over the situation in D.C. or this type of &quot;win-at-any-cost&quot; politics.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The strategy does have the signature of Beltway insiders, who relish procedural machinations and technical victories.  They have little appreciation of how repulsed citizens are over the situation in D.C. or this type of &#8220;win-at-any-cost&#8221; politics.</p>
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		<title>By: Hamilton Fish</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/02/16/clinton-aide-harold-ickes-predicts-that-superdelegates-with-give-clinton-the-nomination-even-if-obama-wins-remainder-of-primaries/#comment-6725</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hamilton Fish]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2008 04:11:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What happens if this fight comes down to a showdown over seating the delegates from Michigan and Florida?  Can you imagine what it would be like to have the Democrats in court fighting over Florida ballots - again!?

Today&#039;s NYTimes lead article in the National section talked heavily about the role that Al Gore can play in this whole mess.  Though he is waiting on the sidelines now, he would be willing, along with other senior party leaders, to step in and avoid a messy fight before the convention.  

One has to wonder, if the delegate count is close after all the primaries are said and done, doesn&#039;t that mean that Hillary Clinton LOST?  Maybe this woman is right? 

http://queenofspainblog.com/2008/02/12/dear-senator-hillary-clinton-please-step-down/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What happens if this fight comes down to a showdown over seating the delegates from Michigan and Florida?  Can you imagine what it would be like to have the Democrats in court fighting over Florida ballots &#8211; again!?</p>
<p>Today&#8217;s NYTimes lead article in the National section talked heavily about the role that Al Gore can play in this whole mess.  Though he is waiting on the sidelines now, he would be willing, along with other senior party leaders, to step in and avoid a messy fight before the convention.  </p>
<p>One has to wonder, if the delegate count is close after all the primaries are said and done, doesn&#8217;t that mean that Hillary Clinton LOST?  Maybe this woman is right? </p>
<p><a href="http://queenofspainblog.com/2008/02/12/dear-senator-hillary-clinton-please-step-down/" rel="nofollow">http://queenofspainblog.com/2008/02/12/dear-senator-hillary-clinton-please-step-down/</a></p>
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		<title>By: watajob</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2008 21:48:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have suspected that from the beginning. I mean, where did Hillary come up with the whole &quot;inevitable&quot; thing? If it does happen that way, the primary will carry all the legitimacy of the 2000 general election, the presidency will be handed to the GOP with a red bow on it and the Dems will be implacably fractured for a generation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have suspected that from the beginning. I mean, where did Hillary come up with the whole &#8220;inevitable&#8221; thing? If it does happen that way, the primary will carry all the legitimacy of the 2000 general election, the presidency will be handed to the GOP with a red bow on it and the Dems will be implacably fractured for a generation.</p>
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