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	<title>Comments on: The Supreme Redux:  Is John McCain Ineligible to Be President?</title>
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		<title>By: Eligibility Questions: Can Clinton Serve Obama and Can Obama Serve the Country? &#171; JONATHAN TURLEY</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/03/06/the-supreme-redux-is-john-mccain-ineligible-to-be-president/#comment-30132</link>
		<dc:creator>Eligibility Questions: Can Clinton Serve Obama and Can Obama Serve the Country? &#171; JONATHAN TURLEY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 21:04:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] was inevitable that we would deal with this controversy since both John McCain and Barack Obama had people challenging their eligibility. However, still stinging from the Bush v. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: ura mofo</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/03/06/the-supreme-redux-is-john-mccain-ineligible-to-be-president/#comment-21082</link>
		<dc:creator>ura mofo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 13:27:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PS The Clinton tag team are douchebags.  If I was Bill I would do a hamster before Hillary or Monica.  I wonder who Hillary was doing to get a kid that looks like that maybe a cousin in the trailpark.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PS The Clinton tag team are douchebags.  If I was Bill I would do a hamster before Hillary or Monica.  I wonder who Hillary was doing to get a kid that looks like that maybe a cousin in the trailpark.</p>
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		<title>By: ura mofo</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/03/06/the-supreme-redux-is-john-mccain-ineligible-to-be-president/#comment-21081</link>
		<dc:creator>ura mofo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 13:23:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Get over it!!!  You are all a bunch of retards.  If the government wants a guy they will get him.  If Arnie lives long enough he will be President.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Get over it!!!  You are all a bunch of retards.  If the government wants a guy they will get him.  If Arnie lives long enough he will be President.</p>
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		<title>By: Carmon Elliott</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/03/06/the-supreme-redux-is-john-mccain-ineligible-to-be-president/#comment-12496</link>
		<dc:creator>Carmon Elliott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 00:23:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>True patriots should want to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the USA.     
     Article 2 Section 1 of the United States Constitution: &quot;No person except a natural born Citizen, … shall be eligible to the Office of President”. The Constitution’s Presidential eligibility requirements are echoed in the 12th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, and, more recently, in the Presidential Succession Act of 1947 and nothing short of a Constitutional Amendment can change that requirement, for Congressional Acts, vested in Article 1 Section 8 Clause 4 only grants Congress the power to “establish a uniform rule of naturalization”, not to re-define what &quot;natural born&quot; meant.
 
    The Constitution’s 14th Amendment sets forth the two principle modes of acquiring citizenship, birth in the U.S. and naturalization, “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.” Those who crafted the 14th Amendment were very aware of Article 2 Section 1 Clause 5 eligibility standard for the Presidency of “natural born” and defined it as, “All persons born.. in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof”. 
    The United States’ Department of State’s Foreign Affairs Manual(7FAM1116.1-4(c)) says, “Despite widespread popular belief, U.S. military installations abroad and U.S. diplomatic facilities are not part of the United States within the meaning of the 14th Amendment. A child born on the premises of such a facility is not subject to U.S. jurisdiction and does not acquire U.S. citizenship by reason of birth”. Clearly this statute means that fact of the McCain’s birth at the birth at the military hospital in Coco Solo Air Base in Panama’s Canal Zone, did not grant him any natural born citizenship status.
      In Rogers v. Bellei 401 U.S. 815, 828 (1971).  The Supreme Court held that “children born abroad of Americans are not citizens within the citizenship clause of the 14th Amendment.&quot;... &quot;To this day, the Constitution makes no provision for jus sanguinis, or citizenship by descent… Thus, acknowledging petitioner&#039;s claim that he is a Fourteenth Amendment citizen, Pet. 9, does not mean that his children born abroad have any right under the Constitution to United States citizenship at birth.”… &quot;Our law in this area follows English concepts with an acceptance of the jus soli, that is, that the place of birth governs citizenship status except as modified by statute.&quot; Id. at 828.  Such a statute would be a Congressional act, which can only naturalize, per Article 1 Section 8 Clause 4, “To establish a uniform Rule of Naturalization”, not make someone “natural born”.
     
Although  McCain may claim citizenship from 8 USC 1403(a): &quot;Any person born in the Canal Zone on or after February 26, 1904, and whether before or after the effective date of this chapter, whose father or mother or both at the time of the birth of such person was or is a citizen of the United States, is declared to be a citizen of the United States&quot;...someone who is &quot;declared&quot; a citizen by Congressional law is being naturalized and is NOT a &quot;natural born&quot; citizen. McCain’s  citizenship status is “naturalized&quot;, and not &quot;natural born&quot;.  The act cited above &quot;naturalizes&quot; the citizenship of those born to US citizens in a foreign country through declaration of law, making a citizen through naturalization of those who would, except through the said act of Congress(8 USC 1403(a) would not be a citizen. The Constitution, Article 1 Section 8 Clause 4, gave Congress the power &quot;To establish a uniform Rule of Naturalization&quot; to make U.S. citizens out of those who would not otherwise be  U.S. citizens..NOT to re-define what &quot;natural born&quot; meant, or make “natural born” those who, were born under another nation’s sovereignty and not in these United States, as was McCain. Nothing short of a Constitutional Amendment could do that.
     McCain has claimed that the Naturalization Act of 1790  covers his status as a natural born citizen. That is not true. A close look at the Act indicates that it only covers “admission as a citizen” (meaning naturalization), and that Act was repealed and replaced in part in January 1795 and again in total dpril 1802. So that argument does not work because it was repealed and replaced and because it creates naturalization instead of natural born citizenship for such a Congressional act can only naturalize, per Article 1 Section 8 Clause 4, “To establish a uniform Rule of Naturalization.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>True patriots should want to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the USA.<br />
     Article 2 Section 1 of the United States Constitution: &#8220;No person except a natural born Citizen, … shall be eligible to the Office of President”. The Constitution’s Presidential eligibility requirements are echoed in the 12th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, and, more recently, in the Presidential Succession Act of 1947 and nothing short of a Constitutional Amendment can change that requirement, for Congressional Acts, vested in Article 1 Section 8 Clause 4 only grants Congress the power to “establish a uniform rule of naturalization”, not to re-define what &#8220;natural born&#8221; meant.</p>
<p>    The Constitution’s 14th Amendment sets forth the two principle modes of acquiring citizenship, birth in the U.S. and naturalization, “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.” Those who crafted the 14th Amendment were very aware of Article 2 Section 1 Clause 5 eligibility standard for the Presidency of “natural born” and defined it as, “All persons born.. in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof”.<br />
    The United States’ Department of State’s Foreign Affairs Manual(7FAM1116.1-4(c)) says, “Despite widespread popular belief, U.S. military installations abroad and U.S. diplomatic facilities are not part of the United States within the meaning of the 14th Amendment. A child born on the premises of such a facility is not subject to U.S. jurisdiction and does not acquire U.S. citizenship by reason of birth”. Clearly this statute means that fact of the McCain’s birth at the birth at the military hospital in Coco Solo Air Base in Panama’s Canal Zone, did not grant him any natural born citizenship status.<br />
      In Rogers v. Bellei 401 U.S. 815, 828 (1971).  The Supreme Court held that “children born abroad of Americans are not citizens within the citizenship clause of the 14th Amendment.&#8221;&#8230; &#8220;To this day, the Constitution makes no provision for jus sanguinis, or citizenship by descent… Thus, acknowledging petitioner&#8217;s claim that he is a Fourteenth Amendment citizen, Pet. 9, does not mean that his children born abroad have any right under the Constitution to United States citizenship at birth.”… &#8220;Our law in this area follows English concepts with an acceptance of the jus soli, that is, that the place of birth governs citizenship status except as modified by statute.&#8221; Id. at 828.  Such a statute would be a Congressional act, which can only naturalize, per Article 1 Section 8 Clause 4, “To establish a uniform Rule of Naturalization”, not make someone “natural born”.</p>
<p>Although  McCain may claim citizenship from 8 USC 1403(a): &#8220;Any person born in the Canal Zone on or after February 26, 1904, and whether before or after the effective date of this chapter, whose father or mother or both at the time of the birth of such person was or is a citizen of the United States, is declared to be a citizen of the United States&#8221;&#8230;someone who is &#8220;declared&#8221; a citizen by Congressional law is being naturalized and is NOT a &#8220;natural born&#8221; citizen. McCain’s  citizenship status is “naturalized&#8221;, and not &#8220;natural born&#8221;.  The act cited above &#8220;naturalizes&#8221; the citizenship of those born to US citizens in a foreign country through declaration of law, making a citizen through naturalization of those who would, except through the said act of Congress(8 USC 1403(a) would not be a citizen. The Constitution, Article 1 Section 8 Clause 4, gave Congress the power &#8220;To establish a uniform Rule of Naturalization&#8221; to make U.S. citizens out of those who would not otherwise be  U.S. citizens..NOT to re-define what &#8220;natural born&#8221; meant, or make “natural born” those who, were born under another nation’s sovereignty and not in these United States, as was McCain. Nothing short of a Constitutional Amendment could do that.<br />
     McCain has claimed that the Naturalization Act of 1790  covers his status as a natural born citizen. That is not true. A close look at the Act indicates that it only covers “admission as a citizen” (meaning naturalization), and that Act was repealed and replaced in part in January 1795 and again in total dpril 1802. So that argument does not work because it was repealed and replaced and because it creates naturalization instead of natural born citizenship for such a Congressional act can only naturalize, per Article 1 Section 8 Clause 4, “To establish a uniform Rule of Naturalization.</p>
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		<title>By: Presidential Pronouns: Is Hillary Barred From Taking Office as a Female? &#171; JONATHAN TURLEY</title>
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		<dc:creator>Presidential Pronouns: Is Hillary Barred From Taking Office as a Female? &#171; JONATHAN TURLEY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 12:39:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] resident for at least 14 years. This has caused a controversy not for Clinton but McCain, click here and [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Olson and Tribe Argue that McCain is Natural Born &#171; JONATHAN TURLEY</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/03/06/the-supreme-redux-is-john-mccain-ineligible-to-be-president/#comment-9727</link>
		<dc:creator>Olson and Tribe Argue that McCain is Natural Born &#171; JONATHAN TURLEY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 13:03:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] this this column discusses, there is a serious question over whether McCain truly qualifies as &#8220;natural [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Patty C</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/03/06/the-supreme-redux-is-john-mccain-ineligible-to-be-president/#comment-7812</link>
		<dc:creator>Patty C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 02:30:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>THIS is not good enough for this election or any other 
AND you know it, VT!

... &quot;Whether a case is filed or not, and whether the courts take it or not, my prediction stands that the current Supreme Court will insure the seating of McCain. Look this up on January 20, 2009.&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>THIS is not good enough for this election or any other<br />
AND you know it, VT!</p>
<p>&#8230; &#8220;Whether a case is filed or not, and whether the courts take it or not, my prediction stands that the current Supreme Court will insure the seating of McCain. Look this up on January 20, 2009.&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: Vince Treacy</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/03/06/the-supreme-redux-is-john-mccain-ineligible-to-be-president/#comment-7809</link>
		<dc:creator>Vince Treacy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 01:57:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JT:  The problem is that such an issue is only “ripe” for review after a general election and before the swearing in ceremony.

In reality, it may only become ripe in December after Vice President Cheney, sitting as President of the Senate, presides over the counting of the votes of the Electoral College in the presence of the House and the Senate.  The issue may have to be initially raised in that proceeding, and ruled on before any further legal challenge.

After that, how would anyone other than the losing candidate have standing, and wouldn’t that be a political non-starter?  Even if standing obstacles were overcome, would not the question of justiciability arise?  The courts may say something to the effect that this is a political question not suitable to judicial scrutiny.  They may say that it is textually committed by the Constitution to other parts of the government.  They may not desire to interfere in the operations of the College and the vote count in Congress in the absence of a clear violation of the age, residence, and prior presidential service of the candidate.

I am not sure there is much if any difference between McCain and Olson here.  Assuming Goldwater’s parents were US citizens, then he was qualified to President under both theories, by birth on US soil and by birth to US citizens.  McCain would qualify just as Goldwater did if he relies on his US citizen parents.

If there were a real issue here, why wouldn’t a ballot challenge work?  If a 25-year-old ran, or if Henry Kissinger or Arnold were put on a presidential ballot, I doubt if it would get past the Secretary of State, and proponents would have to sue to get the names listed.  No one seems inclined to challenge McCain, but Goldwater was challenged in court.  I recall that lawyers called him a foreign-born extremist in their filings.  Cases were filed in California and New Jersey, and they lost, because Barry was on the ballot in all 50 states.

Overall, this is a fine column that benefited from its out of town tryout on the blog, especially from xrlq who first flagged the fact that Alexander Hamilton probably did not have a McCain problem.  

Whether a case is filed or not, and whether the courts take it or not, my prediction stands that the current Supreme Court will insure the seating of McCain.  Look this up on January 20, 2009.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JT:  The problem is that such an issue is only “ripe” for review after a general election and before the swearing in ceremony.</p>
<p>In reality, it may only become ripe in December after Vice President Cheney, sitting as President of the Senate, presides over the counting of the votes of the Electoral College in the presence of the House and the Senate.  The issue may have to be initially raised in that proceeding, and ruled on before any further legal challenge.</p>
<p>After that, how would anyone other than the losing candidate have standing, and wouldn’t that be a political non-starter?  Even if standing obstacles were overcome, would not the question of justiciability arise?  The courts may say something to the effect that this is a political question not suitable to judicial scrutiny.  They may say that it is textually committed by the Constitution to other parts of the government.  They may not desire to interfere in the operations of the College and the vote count in Congress in the absence of a clear violation of the age, residence, and prior presidential service of the candidate.</p>
<p>I am not sure there is much if any difference between McCain and Olson here.  Assuming Goldwater’s parents were US citizens, then he was qualified to President under both theories, by birth on US soil and by birth to US citizens.  McCain would qualify just as Goldwater did if he relies on his US citizen parents.</p>
<p>If there were a real issue here, why wouldn’t a ballot challenge work?  If a 25-year-old ran, or if Henry Kissinger or Arnold were put on a presidential ballot, I doubt if it would get past the Secretary of State, and proponents would have to sue to get the names listed.  No one seems inclined to challenge McCain, but Goldwater was challenged in court.  I recall that lawyers called him a foreign-born extremist in their filings.  Cases were filed in California and New Jersey, and they lost, because Barry was on the ballot in all 50 states.</p>
<p>Overall, this is a fine column that benefited from its out of town tryout on the blog, especially from xrlq who first flagged the fact that Alexander Hamilton probably did not have a McCain problem.  </p>
<p>Whether a case is filed or not, and whether the courts take it or not, my prediction stands that the current Supreme Court will insure the seating of McCain.  Look this up on January 20, 2009.</p>
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		<title>By: Patty C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patty C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 23:08:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wrote &#039;bullet-proof&#039; meaning even if McCain has to stand aside. It can&#039;t be let open to interpretation.

Voters meed to be secure that the nominees, duly elected, will actually be the same ones to complete their swearing-in ceremonies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wrote &#8216;bullet-proof&#8217; meaning even if McCain has to stand aside. It can&#8217;t be let open to interpretation.</p>
<p>Voters meed to be secure that the nominees, duly elected, will actually be the same ones to complete their swearing-in ceremonies.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Esq.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Esq.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 22:14:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Absent a constitutional amendment, the issue will remain one of constitutional construction, not legislative correction.&quot;

So per Cheney v. Gore, the 12, 20th, 22nd &amp; 25th Amendments, circa March 4, 2001 (objections for lack of subject matter are never waived) would be quite the &quot;super delegate?&quot;

http://jonathanturley.org/2008/02/29/mccains-constitutional-dilemma-native-son-but-not-natural-born/#comment-7323</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Absent a constitutional amendment, the issue will remain one of constitutional construction, not legislative correction.&#8221;</p>
<p>So per Cheney v. Gore, the 12, 20th, 22nd &amp; 25th Amendments, circa March 4, 2001 (objections for lack of subject matter are never waived) would be quite the &#8220;super delegate?&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://jonathanturley.org/2008/02/29/mccains-constitutional-dilemma-native-son-but-not-natural-born/#comment-7323" rel="nofollow">http://jonathanturley.org/2008/02/29/mccains-constitutional-dilemma-native-son-but-not-natural-born/#comment-7323</a></p>
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		<title>By: Patty C</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/03/06/the-supreme-redux-is-john-mccain-ineligible-to-be-president/#comment-7708</link>
		<dc:creator>Patty C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 21:37:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I feel MUCH better knowing that it could be Cheney next in line, even temporarily, was my point. To me, they are interchangeably frightening and I want them both out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I feel MUCH better knowing that it could be Cheney next in line, even temporarily, was my point. To me, they are interchangeably frightening and I want them both out.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Esq.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Esq.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 20:59:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;THANKS for qualifying THAT little factoid&quot;
Riddle me this: Can a person disqualified from running for President claim to have a &#039;majority of votes?&#039;

12th Amendment: 

....and if no person have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President, the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President, the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote; a quorum for this purpose shall consist of a member or members from two-thirds of the states, and a majority of all the states shall be necessary to a choice. 


&gt;&gt;!!And if the House of Representatives shall not choose a President whenever the right of choice shall devolve upon them, before the fourth day of March next following, then the Vice-President shall act as President, as in the case of the death or other constitutional disability of the President.


You still don&#039;t quite understand why I said what I did about Bush v. Gore and the 12th, 20th, 22nd and 25th amendments in that previous post; do you?

http://jonathanturley.org/2008/02/29/mccains-constitutional-dilemma-native-son-but-not-natural-born/#comment-7323


First in time = first in right


Regards, 

Bob</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;THANKS for qualifying THAT little factoid&#8221;<br />
Riddle me this: Can a person disqualified from running for President claim to have a &#8216;majority of votes?&#8217;</p>
<p>12th Amendment: </p>
<p>&#8230;.and if no person have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President, the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President, the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote; a quorum for this purpose shall consist of a member or members from two-thirds of the states, and a majority of all the states shall be necessary to a choice. </p>
<p>&gt;&gt;!!And if the House of Representatives shall not choose a President whenever the right of choice shall devolve upon them, before the fourth day of March next following, then the Vice-President shall act as President, as in the case of the death or other constitutional disability of the President.</p>
<p>You still don&#8217;t quite understand why I said what I did about Bush v. Gore and the 12th, 20th, 22nd and 25th amendments in that previous post; do you?</p>
<p><a href="http://jonathanturley.org/2008/02/29/mccains-constitutional-dilemma-native-son-but-not-natural-born/#comment-7323" rel="nofollow">http://jonathanturley.org/2008/02/29/mccains-constitutional-dilemma-native-son-but-not-natural-born/#comment-7323</a></p>
<p>First in time = first in right</p>
<p>Regards, </p>
<p>Bob</p>
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		<title>By: Patty C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patty C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 18:07:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>THANKS for qualifying THAT little factoid for us, Bob :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>THANKS for qualifying THAT little factoid for us, Bob <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Bob Esq.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Esq.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 17:58:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bush would lack the capacity to remain in office after January 20, 2009 at 12:00 pm per the 22nd Amendent. 

Cheney on the other hand...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bush would lack the capacity to remain in office after January 20, 2009 at 12:00 pm per the 22nd Amendent. </p>
<p>Cheney on the other hand&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Esq.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Esq.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 17:46:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;How about U.S. ships or aircraft?&quot;

I don&#039;t know much Maritime Law, but wouldn&#039;t the same rules making naval vessels sovereign entities at sea be applicable?

Far as McCain goes; the greater tragedy will always be that Alexander Hamilton was ineligible to become president.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;How about U.S. ships or aircraft?&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know much Maritime Law, but wouldn&#8217;t the same rules making naval vessels sovereign entities at sea be applicable?</p>
<p>Far as McCain goes; the greater tragedy will always be that Alexander Hamilton was ineligible to become president.</p>
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		<title>By: Patty C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patty C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 17:41:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The VP would become President and another VP would be chosen to replace him/her {{{shudder }}}

Bush would remain in office while it is being tossed around 
- for at least the 2 plus months.

That&#039;s why it mustn&#039;t happen. It has to be be &#039;bullet-proof&#039; ahead of time, in my view.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The VP would become President and another VP would be chosen to replace him/her {{{shudder }}}</p>
<p>Bush would remain in office while it is being tossed around<br />
- for at least the 2 plus months.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s why it mustn&#8217;t happen. It has to be be &#8216;bullet-proof&#8217; ahead of time, in my view.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 17:10:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very insightful.  Your right it is ironic that the president who endorsed McCain yesterday is the one that may keep him from being sworn in. Although, I would not put it past this Supreme Court to just ignore precedent and make up a ruling that fits their political views.  
    If this did get go to the supreme court and they found McCain couldn&#039;t be sworn in, how would another president be chosen? Vice President?  How would it effect the cases involving Guantanamo?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very insightful.  Your right it is ironic that the president who endorsed McCain yesterday is the one that may keep him from being sworn in. Although, I would not put it past this Supreme Court to just ignore precedent and make up a ruling that fits their political views.<br />
    If this did get go to the supreme court and they found McCain couldn&#8217;t be sworn in, how would another president be chosen? Vice President?  How would it effect the cases involving Guantanamo?</p>
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