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	<title>Comments on: Iowa Judge Orders Criminal to Church in Another Abuse of &#8220;Creative Sentencing&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: Judge Orders White Lawyers Out Of Courtroom, Lectures Black Defendants &#124; BigMouthFrog</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/03/22/iowa-judge-orders-criminal-to-church-in-another-abuse-of-creative-sentencing/#comment-27155</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Judge Orders White Lawyers Out Of Courtroom, Lectures Black Defendants &#124; BigMouthFrog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 16:18:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] again, whether ordering criminal defendants to court (here) or ordering prayer circle in court (here,) judges seem to be increasingly forgetting their limits [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Video of Judge Accused of Ordering Whites Out of Courtroom, Then Lectures Black Defendants : BigMouthFrog</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/03/22/iowa-judge-orders-criminal-to-church-in-another-abuse-of-creative-sentencing/#comment-10049</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Video of Judge Accused of Ordering Whites Out of Courtroom, Then Lectures Black Defendants : BigMouthFrog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 16:15:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] again, whether ordering criminal defendants to court (here) or ordering prayer circle in court (here,) judges seem to be increasingly forgetting their limits [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] again, whether ordering criminal defendants to court (here) or ordering prayer circle in court (here,) judges seem to be increasingly forgetting their limits [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Judge Accused of Ordering Whites Out of Courtroom to Lecture Blacks &#171; JONATHAN TURLEY</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/03/22/iowa-judge-orders-criminal-to-church-in-another-abuse-of-creative-sentencing/#comment-9819</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Judge Accused of Ordering Whites Out of Courtroom to Lecture Blacks &#171; JONATHAN TURLEY]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 05:14:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] again, whether ordering criminal defendants to court (here) or ordering prayer circle in court (here, judges seem to be increasingly forgetting their limits [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] again, whether ordering criminal defendants to court (here) or ordering prayer circle in court (here, judges seem to be increasingly forgetting their limits [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Alabama Judge Orders Courtroom into a &#8220;Circle of Prayer&#8221; &#171; JONATHAN TURLEY</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/03/22/iowa-judge-orders-criminal-to-church-in-another-abuse-of-creative-sentencing/#comment-9238</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alabama Judge Orders Courtroom into a &#8220;Circle of Prayer&#8221; &#171; JONATHAN TURLEY]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 05:05:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Of course, he could coordinate his prayer session with Scott County Associate Judge Christine Dalton in Iowa who sentences defendants to church services as creative sentencing, click here [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: mespo727272</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/03/22/iowa-judge-orders-criminal-to-church-in-another-abuse-of-creative-sentencing/#comment-9189</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 18:19:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[matt:

If this is true, and I do not doubt it, you are correct and this is not an appropriate sentence. All of the information you provided should have been considered since the standard at sentencing is not proof beyond a reasonable doubt. These types of creative sentences are what compels the public to call for sentencing guidelines. Obviously, the Judge let her religion get in the way of her reason and that benefits no one.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>matt:</p>
<p>If this is true, and I do not doubt it, you are correct and this is not an appropriate sentence. All of the information you provided should have been considered since the standard at sentencing is not proof beyond a reasonable doubt. These types of creative sentences are what compels the public to call for sentencing guidelines. Obviously, the Judge let her religion get in the way of her reason and that benefits no one.</p>
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		<title>By: matt</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/03/22/iowa-judge-orders-criminal-to-church-in-another-abuse-of-creative-sentencing/#comment-9186</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[matt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 17:23:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am from Davenport, Iowa where this happened.  This sentence is a joke.  This man killed someone when he was 14, murder charges were reduced to manslaughter.  Then he shot at a cop, the bullet missed his head by 6 inches, those charges were dropped due to lack of evidence.  Then he helped his friend flee the area and hide a gun after he murdered someone.  Then he beat his girlfriend at a liquor store, hitting her with a liquor bottle and slashing her tires so she couldnt get away.  How many chances does this guy deserve??  If you are as outraged by this sham of a sentence as I am, the judge who passed it is named Christine Dalton.  7th Judicial District Davenport, Iowa.  400 West Fourth Street Davenport, Iowa 52801-1104 
(563) 326-8611

Let her know the next innocent person this violent felon kills or hurts, the blood is on her hands.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am from Davenport, Iowa where this happened.  This sentence is a joke.  This man killed someone when he was 14, murder charges were reduced to manslaughter.  Then he shot at a cop, the bullet missed his head by 6 inches, those charges were dropped due to lack of evidence.  Then he helped his friend flee the area and hide a gun after he murdered someone.  Then he beat his girlfriend at a liquor store, hitting her with a liquor bottle and slashing her tires so she couldnt get away.  How many chances does this guy deserve??  If you are as outraged by this sham of a sentence as I am, the judge who passed it is named Christine Dalton.  7th Judicial District Davenport, Iowa.  400 West Fourth Street Davenport, Iowa 52801-1104<br />
(563) 326-8611</p>
<p>Let her know the next innocent person this violent felon kills or hurts, the blood is on her hands.</p>
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		<title>By: mespo727272</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/03/22/iowa-judge-orders-criminal-to-church-in-another-abuse-of-creative-sentencing/#comment-9150</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 03:43:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think the Judge violated the 8th Amendment. It is cruel and unusual to force a convicted felon, with presumably a rational mind, to sit for an hour a week and listen to iron age babble.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the Judge violated the 8th Amendment. It is cruel and unusual to force a convicted felon, with presumably a rational mind, to sit for an hour a week and listen to iron age babble.</p>
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		<title>By: Susan</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/03/22/iowa-judge-orders-criminal-to-church-in-another-abuse-of-creative-sentencing/#comment-9010</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Susan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Mar 2008 16:12:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jill and DW, I couldn&#039;t agree more; this judge had NO business ordering anyone to attend church services as part of their sentence.  To me, it sounds like judicial blackmail; &quot;attend these services or we&#039;ll make your sentence even longer.&quot;  I am very glad that JT is still writing about these judges and what I think is clear misuse and even abuse of judicial power.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jill and DW, I couldn&#8217;t agree more; this judge had NO business ordering anyone to attend church services as part of their sentence.  To me, it sounds like judicial blackmail; &#8220;attend these services or we&#8217;ll make your sentence even longer.&#8221;  I am very glad that JT is still writing about these judges and what I think is clear misuse and even abuse of judicial power.</p>
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		<title>By: disillusionedbabyboomer</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/03/22/iowa-judge-orders-criminal-to-church-in-another-abuse-of-creative-sentencing/#comment-9006</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[disillusionedbabyboomer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Mar 2008 15:02:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This &quot;creative sentence&quot; is clearly violative of the first amendment prohibition against government establishment of religion, and it also epitomizes the depths to which our nation has sunk by allowing religion to invade and permeate our government at all levels. &quot;Faith-based&quot; programs and funding are just as offensive, and &quot;faith-based&quot; rehab or prisons are a misguided attempt to circumvent various constitutional prohibitions.  The government should be doing things with government employees, not laying the jobs off on select groups, organizations, religions or contract companies. That applies to schooling, penal systems, the military and government operations. The Bush Administration has proved beyond a doubt that spending all our tax dollars and then some on corporations to act as a para-military force in the USA or abroad, contracting out government work in the State Dept. and other agencies just does not work. It has cost us more and created a flawed, profit-driven approach to delivery of government services.  Judao-Christian beliefs and the founding principles of our nation were in sync to the extent that our social contract called on America to help the poor, ill, elderly, veterans and the down-trodden.  Now, those same groups are the ones that are overlooked by government. We are not properly caring for our returning war veterans, our elderly, our sick and infirm, or our poverty stricken citizens.  Nowadays, the so-called &quot;entitlement&quot; programs are being whittled down to nothing while Bush exhausts the treasury for generations to come on this illegal War in Iraq. Bush has allowed the economy to teeter on the verge of collapse, all to feed corporate profits and corruption. These things have been done in the name of security, economy and Christianity, but nothing could be further from the truth. We are now less secure, and our economy is shrinking; jobs and the middle class are disappearing, and devotion to right-wing, extremist evangelical religion has driven qualified employees from the government and replaced them with ignorant, unqualified, inexperienced idealogues. It is time to restore our nation to its rightful place and resume a position of moral authority, but first, we must rid ourselves of the Bush Administration and everything that gave rise to and profited from it. It is time for us to stop forcing religion of any kind on anyone. That goes for America just as much as Muslim extremists! Separation of church and state was an ideal, a goal, and it worked for over 200 years; it is time to return to that way of life.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This &#8220;creative sentence&#8221; is clearly violative of the first amendment prohibition against government establishment of religion, and it also epitomizes the depths to which our nation has sunk by allowing religion to invade and permeate our government at all levels. &#8220;Faith-based&#8221; programs and funding are just as offensive, and &#8220;faith-based&#8221; rehab or prisons are a misguided attempt to circumvent various constitutional prohibitions.  The government should be doing things with government employees, not laying the jobs off on select groups, organizations, religions or contract companies. That applies to schooling, penal systems, the military and government operations. The Bush Administration has proved beyond a doubt that spending all our tax dollars and then some on corporations to act as a para-military force in the USA or abroad, contracting out government work in the State Dept. and other agencies just does not work. It has cost us more and created a flawed, profit-driven approach to delivery of government services.  Judao-Christian beliefs and the founding principles of our nation were in sync to the extent that our social contract called on America to help the poor, ill, elderly, veterans and the down-trodden.  Now, those same groups are the ones that are overlooked by government. We are not properly caring for our returning war veterans, our elderly, our sick and infirm, or our poverty stricken citizens.  Nowadays, the so-called &#8220;entitlement&#8221; programs are being whittled down to nothing while Bush exhausts the treasury for generations to come on this illegal War in Iraq. Bush has allowed the economy to teeter on the verge of collapse, all to feed corporate profits and corruption. These things have been done in the name of security, economy and Christianity, but nothing could be further from the truth. We are now less secure, and our economy is shrinking; jobs and the middle class are disappearing, and devotion to right-wing, extremist evangelical religion has driven qualified employees from the government and replaced them with ignorant, unqualified, inexperienced idealogues. It is time to restore our nation to its rightful place and resume a position of moral authority, but first, we must rid ourselves of the Bush Administration and everything that gave rise to and profited from it. It is time for us to stop forcing religion of any kind on anyone. That goes for America just as much as Muslim extremists! Separation of church and state was an ideal, a goal, and it worked for over 200 years; it is time to return to that way of life.</p>
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		<title>By: deeply worried</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[deeply worried]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Mar 2008 13:32:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here we go again, Jill.

The judges never stop trying.  But such sentences are clearly violative of free exercise.  And dual sentence options of the type Judge Michael Caperton favored, set up a facially inequitable two-tier system that is tilted toward believers.

In Michigan, not so long ago, Joseph Hanas, a practicing Catholic, was sentenced to a pentecostal rehab program that confiscated his rosary and forced him to attend pentecostal services. The district court upheld his claim that the sentence infringed on his first amendment rights.

http://socsci.colorado.edu/~bairdv/exercise_establishment_question_ACLU.pdf]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here we go again, Jill.</p>
<p>The judges never stop trying.  But such sentences are clearly violative of free exercise.  And dual sentence options of the type Judge Michael Caperton favored, set up a facially inequitable two-tier system that is tilted toward believers.</p>
<p>In Michigan, not so long ago, Joseph Hanas, a practicing Catholic, was sentenced to a pentecostal rehab program that confiscated his rosary and forced him to attend pentecostal services. The district court upheld his claim that the sentence infringed on his first amendment rights.</p>
<p><a href="http://socsci.colorado.edu/~bairdv/exercise_establishment_question_ACLU.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://socsci.colorado.edu/~bairdv/exercise_establishment_question_ACLU.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jill</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jill]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Mar 2008 13:09:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This sentence should be overturned.  It is a breech of separation of church and state.  It clearly favors one religion, christianity, and even one branch thereof.  

Creative sentencing should have nothing to do with the imposition of religious beliefs or indoctrination on another person.  There is a store near me where atheist and jewish employees are required to pray christian prayers or be fired.  This is an act of violence against people&#039;s conscience.  I cannot understand this as a ethical act.

I am guessing the judge believes christianity will turn the criminal into a moral person.  Most of our criminal population is already christian so I think this idea is discredited right off the bat.  One look at religion today (and in the past) lets us know that religiosity is absolutely not a guarantee of goodness.  We should stop pretending that it is.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This sentence should be overturned.  It is a breech of separation of church and state.  It clearly favors one religion, christianity, and even one branch thereof.  </p>
<p>Creative sentencing should have nothing to do with the imposition of religious beliefs or indoctrination on another person.  There is a store near me where atheist and jewish employees are required to pray christian prayers or be fired.  This is an act of violence against people&#8217;s conscience.  I cannot understand this as a ethical act.</p>
<p>I am guessing the judge believes christianity will turn the criminal into a moral person.  Most of our criminal population is already christian so I think this idea is discredited right off the bat.  One look at religion today (and in the past) lets us know that religiosity is absolutely not a guarantee of goodness.  We should stop pretending that it is.</p>
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