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	<title>Comments on: Virginia Tech Offers Settlement to Families of Victims in 2007 Shooting</title>
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	<description>Res ipsa loquitur (&#34;The thing itself speaks&#34;)</description>
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		<title>By: What a Deal: Virginia Tech Victims Worth One-Fourth of Minnesota Victims &#171; JONATHAN TURLEY</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/03/25/virginia-tech-offers-settlement-to-families-of-victims-in-2007-shooting/#comment-12632</link>
		<dc:creator>What a Deal: Virginia Tech Victims Worth One-Fourth of Minnesota Victims &#171; JONATHAN TURLEY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 May 2008 20:14:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a prior entry on the response of Virginia, click here. While some legislators have suggested lifting the ridiculously low caps on liability, it did not [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] a prior entry on the response of Virginia, click here. While some legislators have suggested lifting the ridiculously low caps on liability, it did not [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Virginia Considers Raising the Caps on Lawsuits After Virginia Tech Settlement &#171; JONATHAN TURLEY</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/03/25/virginia-tech-offers-settlement-to-families-of-victims-in-2007-shooting/#comment-11189</link>
		<dc:creator>Virginia Considers Raising the Caps on Lawsuits After Virginia Tech Settlement &#171; JONATHAN TURLEY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 15:21:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] killed or injured by Seung Hui Cho had a promising case of negligence against the state. Click here but the cap created considerable uncertainty as to their ability to secure and defend any [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] killed or injured by Seung Hui Cho had a promising case of negligence against the state. Click here but the cap created considerable uncertainty as to their ability to secure and defend any [...]</p>
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		<title>By: niblet</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/03/25/virginia-tech-offers-settlement-to-families-of-victims-in-2007-shooting/#comment-9309</link>
		<dc:creator>niblet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 22:07:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Conceal &amp; carry at the University would have prevented this tragedy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Conceal &amp; carry at the University would have prevented this tragedy.</p>
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		<title>By: deeply worried</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/03/25/virginia-tech-offers-settlement-to-families-of-victims-in-2007-shooting/#comment-9303</link>
		<dc:creator>deeply worried</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 20:53:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mespo,

Thanks so much for this series of posts.  This is exactly the kind of information that is so valuable and goes beyond all the name-calling and slogan repeating we hear so often.</description>
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<p>Thanks so much for this series of posts.  This is exactly the kind of information that is so valuable and goes beyond all the name-calling and slogan repeating we hear so often.</p>
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		<title>By: mespo727272</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/03/25/virginia-tech-offers-settlement-to-families-of-victims-in-2007-shooting/#comment-9300</link>
		<dc:creator>mespo727272</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 19:45:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If anyone is interested on Virginia law on this topic, the fairly recent case of Thompson v. Skate America, 540 S.E.2d 123 (Va., 2001) offers a primer on the subject in the context of a special relationship situation as exists in the Virginia Tech cases. A casual reader can probably sense the Court&#039;s reluctance to open up this area of litigation by its limiting of the recovery only to those cases where the imminent probability of harm can be established through proof of the business invitor&#039;s knowledge that &quot;assaults are occurring, or are about to occur ....&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If anyone is interested on Virginia law on this topic, the fairly recent case of Thompson v. Skate America, 540 S.E.2d 123 (Va., 2001) offers a primer on the subject in the context of a special relationship situation as exists in the Virginia Tech cases. A casual reader can probably sense the Court&#8217;s reluctance to open up this area of litigation by its limiting of the recovery only to those cases where the imminent probability of harm can be established through proof of the business invitor&#8217;s knowledge that &#8220;assaults are occurring, or are about to occur &#8230;.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: mespo727272</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/03/25/virginia-tech-offers-settlement-to-families-of-victims-in-2007-shooting/#comment-9299</link>
		<dc:creator>mespo727272</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 19:19:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JT: 

Agreed it&#039;s worth the fight. But in my experience, most families will forego the additional money to avoid reliving the nightmare. There is nothing more gut-wrenching than representing parents of fallen children in wrongful death actions. I do not seek these cases out, especially when, such as here, the parents had no chance to say goodbye. From a cold, rational view, cases such as these which are based purely on solace (and perhaps some loss of services) as opposed to those involving economic loss (such as the case of the death of a wage earner supporting a family) would traditionally bring less that the $750,000 average you cited. I would be interested in that breakdown of the figures. For what it&#039;s worth, I think punitive damages would be unavailable against the State (the maximum is only $350,000.00 in Virginia anyway)and my best guess puts the value of these cases conservatively in the $250,000 to $350,000 range per case assuming you could get around the Virginia Tort Claims cap.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JT: </p>
<p>Agreed it&#8217;s worth the fight. But in my experience, most families will forego the additional money to avoid reliving the nightmare. There is nothing more gut-wrenching than representing parents of fallen children in wrongful death actions. I do not seek these cases out, especially when, such as here, the parents had no chance to say goodbye. From a cold, rational view, cases such as these which are based purely on solace (and perhaps some loss of services) as opposed to those involving economic loss (such as the case of the death of a wage earner supporting a family) would traditionally bring less that the $750,000 average you cited. I would be interested in that breakdown of the figures. For what it&#8217;s worth, I think punitive damages would be unavailable against the State (the maximum is only $350,000.00 in Virginia anyway)and my best guess puts the value of these cases conservatively in the $250,000 to $350,000 range per case assuming you could get around the Virginia Tort Claims cap.</p>
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		<title>By: jonathanturley</title>
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		<dc:creator>jonathanturley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 18:53:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mespo:

Good points all.  However, I believe it is possible to get around both immunity and superseding causes.  Frankly, it is worth the risk when such a low-ball offer is made in my view.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mespo:</p>
<p>Good points all.  However, I believe it is possible to get around both immunity and superseding causes.  Frankly, it is worth the risk when such a low-ball offer is made in my view.</p>
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		<title>By: Franco</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/03/25/virginia-tech-offers-settlement-to-families-of-victims-in-2007-shooting/#comment-9292</link>
		<dc:creator>Franco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 18:35:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>$100,000? That&#039;s around the value of the education (in tuition dollars) some of these students were deprived of alone! What is this, a refund or a wrongful death award? Weak......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>$100,000? That&#8217;s around the value of the education (in tuition dollars) some of these students were deprived of alone! What is this, a refund or a wrongful death award? Weak&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: mespo727272</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/03/25/virginia-tech-offers-settlement-to-families-of-victims-in-2007-shooting/#comment-9285</link>
		<dc:creator>mespo727272</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 17:30:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JT:

As you know, Virginia&#039;s insistence on maintaining the archaic concept of sovereign immunity (&quot;alive and well&quot; as our version of The Supremes likes to say) really complicates this case. While the offers are considerably lower than expected, they are in accord with figures under the Virginia Tort Claims Act, which is only a partial waiver of the sovereign immunity doctrine. Factor in the problem of a superceding intervening cause, and the fairly crude development of our duty to protect doctrine and you have a legal morass that all but the bravest (and best financially able) may fear to cross.</description>
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<p>As you know, Virginia&#8217;s insistence on maintaining the archaic concept of sovereign immunity (&#8220;alive and well&#8221; as our version of The Supremes likes to say) really complicates this case. While the offers are considerably lower than expected, they are in accord with figures under the Virginia Tort Claims Act, which is only a partial waiver of the sovereign immunity doctrine. Factor in the problem of a superceding intervening cause, and the fairly crude development of our duty to protect doctrine and you have a legal morass that all but the bravest (and best financially able) may fear to cross.</p>
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