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	<title>Comments on: A Bit Too Outstanding:  Inspector General Investigating Whether Justice Fired Successful Because She Is A Lesbian</title>
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		<title>By: MarsBar</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/04/03/a-bit-too-outstanding-inspector-general-investigating-whether-justice-fired-successful-lawyer-due-to-her-openly-lesbian-lifestyle/#comment-17227</link>
		<dc:creator>MarsBar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 20:55:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I disagree with the blog&#039;s emphasis on alleged sexual orientation (and I shudder to use the word &quot;alleged&quot; because of any unnecessary negative suggestion).  

It is more important that it was only RUMORED.  

It is unacceptable that an employment decision was based upon sexual orientation.  It is unconscionable, however, that an adverse employment decision was made at one of the highest levels of government based upon a RUMOR.  A RUMOR.  

Can we each appreciate how easy is it that this could happen to any one of us?  We are not talking about inner-office, pointless, water cooler gossip.  

We are talking about an adverse employment decision being made based upon a RUMOR.  

I do not care what administration it is.   I do not care who the employer is.  I do not care what the rumor is.  I am shaken to my very core that anyone, particularly with a JD, made and allowed an adverse employment decision based upon a mere RUMOR (and a stupid one at that).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disagree with the blog&#8217;s emphasis on alleged sexual orientation (and I shudder to use the word &#8220;alleged&#8221; because of any unnecessary negative suggestion).  </p>
<p>It is more important that it was only RUMORED.  </p>
<p>It is unacceptable that an employment decision was based upon sexual orientation.  It is unconscionable, however, that an adverse employment decision was made at one of the highest levels of government based upon a RUMOR.  A RUMOR.  </p>
<p>Can we each appreciate how easy is it that this could happen to any one of us?  We are not talking about inner-office, pointless, water cooler gossip.  </p>
<p>We are talking about an adverse employment decision being made based upon a RUMOR.  </p>
<p>I do not care what administration it is.   I do not care who the employer is.  I do not care what the rumor is.  I am shaken to my very core that anyone, particularly with a JD, made and allowed an adverse employment decision based upon a mere RUMOR (and a stupid one at that).</p>
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		<title>By: whooliebacon</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/04/03/a-bit-too-outstanding-inspector-general-investigating-whether-justice-fired-successful-lawyer-due-to-her-openly-lesbian-lifestyle/#comment-10336</link>
		<dc:creator>whooliebacon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 15:32:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its called intolerance.  People simply cannot go to work and work. They have to bring the human condition with them which often creates a hostile work environment.  Amazing how the elite think they rise above and are better than humanity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its called intolerance.  People simply cannot go to work and work. They have to bring the human condition with them which often creates a hostile work environment.  Amazing how the elite think they rise above and are better than humanity.</p>
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		<title>By: Jill</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/04/03/a-bit-too-outstanding-inspector-general-investigating-whether-justice-fired-successful-lawyer-due-to-her-openly-lesbian-lifestyle/#comment-10327</link>
		<dc:creator>Jill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 14:08:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>niblet,

I have seen what you&#039;re talking about many, many times and it isn&#039;t right.  I don&#039;t think we&#039;ll agree on this part but I see the cheney-bush bunch as prime examples of what you&#039;ve pointed out.  They have consistently fired competent people and put political loyalists with low to no competence in their place.  But this does seem to happen everywhere.  I can&#039;t blame lawyers because they are just as likely to represent the wrongfully dismissed as the rightfully so.     

Jill</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>niblet,</p>
<p>I have seen what you&#8217;re talking about many, many times and it isn&#8217;t right.  I don&#8217;t think we&#8217;ll agree on this part but I see the cheney-bush bunch as prime examples of what you&#8217;ve pointed out.  They have consistently fired competent people and put political loyalists with low to no competence in their place.  But this does seem to happen everywhere.  I can&#8217;t blame lawyers because they are just as likely to represent the wrongfully dismissed as the rightfully so.     </p>
<p>Jill</p>
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		<title>By: mespo727272</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/04/03/a-bit-too-outstanding-inspector-general-investigating-whether-justice-fired-successful-lawyer-due-to-her-openly-lesbian-lifestyle/#comment-10299</link>
		<dc:creator>mespo727272</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 03:44:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NIbbles:

It&#039;s also harder to fire people because they&#039;re black, female or gay too. So I suppose it&#039;s a trade off you aren&#039;t willing to accept. In any event, rest your head on your pillow tonight knowing we lawyers at first gave you laissez-faire employment practices and then made you more humane despite all the kicking and screaming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NIbbles:</p>
<p>It&#8217;s also harder to fire people because they&#8217;re black, female or gay too. So I suppose it&#8217;s a trade off you aren&#8217;t willing to accept. In any event, rest your head on your pillow tonight knowing we lawyers at first gave you laissez-faire employment practices and then made you more humane despite all the kicking and screaming.</p>
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		<title>By: niblet</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/04/03/a-bit-too-outstanding-inspector-general-investigating-whether-justice-fired-successful-lawyer-due-to-her-openly-lesbian-lifestyle/#comment-10294</link>
		<dc:creator>niblet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 02:02:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jill, I agree and competent people find a hard itme keeping their jobs much less get promoted to better ones because it is impossible to fire the nincompoops above them or alongside them that deserve to get the axe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jill, I agree and competent people find a hard itme keeping their jobs much less get promoted to better ones because it is impossible to fire the nincompoops above them or alongside them that deserve to get the axe.</p>
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		<title>By: Jill</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/04/03/a-bit-too-outstanding-inspector-general-investigating-whether-justice-fired-successful-lawyer-due-to-her-openly-lesbian-lifestyle/#comment-10292</link>
		<dc:creator>Jill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 01:45:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So true.  It&#039;s a shame that competent people ought to be able to keep their job.  What has this nation come to?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So true.  It&#8217;s a shame that competent people ought to be able to keep their job.  What has this nation come to?</p>
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		<title>By: niblet</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/04/03/a-bit-too-outstanding-inspector-general-investigating-whether-justice-fired-successful-lawyer-due-to-her-openly-lesbian-lifestyle/#comment-10285</link>
		<dc:creator>niblet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 23:40:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is getting to the point you can&#039;t fire anybody for anything anytime anywhere.  Nice job attorneys; job security at its worst.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is getting to the point you can&#8217;t fire anybody for anything anytime anywhere.  Nice job attorneys; job security at its worst.</p>
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		<title>By: Jill</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/04/03/a-bit-too-outstanding-inspector-general-investigating-whether-justice-fired-successful-lawyer-due-to-her-openly-lesbian-lifestyle/#comment-10275</link>
		<dc:creator>Jill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 19:40:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Forgive me in advance for using anything from postmodernism...I think this discussion is &quot;privilegeing&quot; sexual orientation over all other aspects of how people think of themselves.  

I just saw my neighbor briefly this morning.  He is a flaming heterosexual.  As I hadn&#039;t seen him in a while I enquired what he&#039;d been doing to which he replied, &quot;I&#039;ve been engaged in the usual debauchery.&quot;  Knowing my neighbor, I understood this to be the truth and said, &quot;Well, carry on!&quot;  He&#039;s the staunchest Repulican I know.  Religionists would boot him out in no time if they could (he&#039;s a big donor!).  I bring all this up becuase sexual orientation doesn&#039;t necessarily overlap with conservative or liberal values.  Sometimes the correspondence is there, many times it just isn&#039;t.  People frequently identify with groups that are detrimental to some aspect, often a very important aspect, of who they are.  Class certainly comes to mind here.  And it is true that their is prejudice against LGBT people in both the major parties.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forgive me in advance for using anything from postmodernism&#8230;I think this discussion is &#8220;privilegeing&#8221; sexual orientation over all other aspects of how people think of themselves.  </p>
<p>I just saw my neighbor briefly this morning.  He is a flaming heterosexual.  As I hadn&#8217;t seen him in a while I enquired what he&#8217;d been doing to which he replied, &#8220;I&#8217;ve been engaged in the usual debauchery.&#8221;  Knowing my neighbor, I understood this to be the truth and said, &#8220;Well, carry on!&#8221;  He&#8217;s the staunchest Repulican I know.  Religionists would boot him out in no time if they could (he&#8217;s a big donor!).  I bring all this up becuase sexual orientation doesn&#8217;t necessarily overlap with conservative or liberal values.  Sometimes the correspondence is there, many times it just isn&#8217;t.  People frequently identify with groups that are detrimental to some aspect, often a very important aspect, of who they are.  Class certainly comes to mind here.  And it is true that their is prejudice against LGBT people in both the major parties.</p>
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		<title>By: mespo727272</title>
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		<dc:creator>mespo727272</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 18:03:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>heathu:

Don&#039;t we all long for the day when people are just people and labels belong only on soup cans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>heathu:</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t we all long for the day when people are just people and labels belong only on soup cans.</p>
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		<title>By: heathu</title>
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		<dc:creator>heathu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 17:23:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“&#039;…she is also a lesbian as well as a Republican.&#039;

Words fail in trying to reconcile how a person can juggle and justify those two opposing states of being.&quot; 


Or as Michael Kinsley once described Log Cabin Republicans: &quot;people who really, REALLY want a capital gains tax cut.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“&#8217;…she is also a lesbian as well as a Republican.&#8217;</p>
<p>Words fail in trying to reconcile how a person can juggle and justify those two opposing states of being.&#8221; </p>
<p>Or as Michael Kinsley once described Log Cabin Republicans: &#8220;people who really, REALLY want a capital gains tax cut.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jill</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/04/03/a-bit-too-outstanding-inspector-general-investigating-whether-justice-fired-successful-lawyer-due-to-her-openly-lesbian-lifestyle/#comment-10261</link>
		<dc:creator>Jill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 15:48:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t forget...those people are massed on our norther border!  Thanks for the compliment.

Jill</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t forget&#8230;those people are massed on our norther border!  Thanks for the compliment.</p>
<p>Jill</p>
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		<title>By: binx101</title>
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		<dc:creator>binx101</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 15:23:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jill:
That is the &#039;reply-of-the-week&#039;.  This article and your reply say it all.  Your humor, while dry as toast - summed up the formula that is used by anyone in the Bush Administration giving an interview on just about any subject relating to domestic or world affairs.

It&#039;s the &#039;push&#039; version of the Socratic method.

There was a particularly subtle nuance of &quot;christians&quot; with a small &#039;c.&#039;  It has inspired an idea for an article.  Brililant and very funny!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jill:<br />
That is the &#8216;reply-of-the-week&#8217;.  This article and your reply say it all.  Your humor, while dry as toast &#8211; summed up the formula that is used by anyone in the Bush Administration giving an interview on just about any subject relating to domestic or world affairs.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s the &#8216;push&#8217; version of the Socratic method.</p>
<p>There was a particularly subtle nuance of &#8220;christians&#8221; with a small &#8216;c.&#8217;  It has inspired an idea for an article.  Brililant and very funny!</p>
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		<title>By: Jill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 14:39:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In Canada they now allow lesbians to marry.  Their entire govt. and social system has gone to hell.  That country is non-functional.  I&#039;m so glad the upstanding christians in charge of our govt. are there doing such good work both domestically and internationally.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Canada they now allow lesbians to marry.  Their entire govt. and social system has gone to hell.  That country is non-functional.  I&#8217;m so glad the upstanding christians in charge of our govt. are there doing such good work both domestically and internationally.</p>
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		<title>By: mespo727272</title>
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		<dc:creator>mespo727272</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 14:14:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JT:

Incredibly, I have represented the State Repub Party Leadership in a case here. I have heard that sentiment too, but they are rarely so candid about their views when they meet en masse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JT:</p>
<p>Incredibly, I have represented the State Repub Party Leadership in a case here. I have heard that sentiment too, but they are rarely so candid about their views when they meet en masse.</p>
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		<title>By: jonathanturley</title>
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		<dc:creator>jonathanturley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 14:05:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I doubt that Ms. Hagen is wedded to anything given the GOP&#039;s (and democratic party&#039;s) general opposition to gay marriage.  I certainly understand your point. It is a shame that there is such animosity with some in the party. However, I have met many Republicans who are very supportive of gay rights or strongly take a libertarian position against any punishment for private conduct.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I doubt that Ms. Hagen is wedded to anything given the GOP&#8217;s (and democratic party&#8217;s) general opposition to gay marriage.  I certainly understand your point. It is a shame that there is such animosity with some in the party. However, I have met many Republicans who are very supportive of gay rights or strongly take a libertarian position against any punishment for private conduct.</p>
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		<title>By: rcampbell</title>
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		<dc:creator>rcampbell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 12:48:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...she is also a lesbian as well as a Republican.&quot;

Words fail in trying to reconcile how a person can juggle and justify those two opposing states of being.  Can a person be sooo wedded to fiscal conservatism (the erstwhile linchpin of the GOP prior to being hijacked by the religious right) that you&#039;re willing to hang out with, work for and represent the views of people who hate you, have condemned you to their religion&#039;s nether world and who actively work to make your personal life difficult?  Amazing!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;she is also a lesbian as well as a Republican.&#8221;</p>
<p>Words fail in trying to reconcile how a person can juggle and justify those two opposing states of being.  Can a person be sooo wedded to fiscal conservatism (the erstwhile linchpin of the GOP prior to being hijacked by the religious right) that you&#8217;re willing to hang out with, work for and represent the views of people who hate you, have condemned you to their religion&#8217;s nether world and who actively work to make your personal life difficult?  Amazing!</p>
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