I agree that life at birth is probably a little naive knowing what we now know about biology, but it was the law for centuries in Europe and elsewhere, and at this point, I know of no better approach save only the viability standard. The bottom line is that we should adjust the definition based upon what the most modern biology that we have tells us. I think that is what the SCOTUS was trying to do. They do reference the debate in science about the issue.

I understand your point, but what I was saying is that we have to make a value judgment in some cases, and to do so is not ridiculous. Given our current state of knowledge, reasonable people can differ on the point of the attachment of legal rights, but that is not to say that ideology drives it. The proposition that God unquestionably imbues a soul at the moment of conception in the face of all the biology we know about (spontaneous abortion, twins, chimera, etc.) seems more ideologically driven than simply saying we must make a choice based on our conception of rights and biology. Viability seems a reasonable compromise, and one that has been accepted throughout the centuries. The idea that a 150 cell blastocyst has rights paramount to the mother or to the burn victim waiting for t-cells seems extreme to some people.

Hmmmmmm. Like when they argue that a baby can be aborted moments before birth, but legally protected moments after birth perhaps?

Your point is precisely why I dislike ideologues of either conservative or liberal stripe. Typically they throw their argument over the cliff by strict adherence to the rules of their ideology which compel them to take ridiculous positions, their education and training notwithstanding. RAF pilot Douglas Bader had it right when he said: “Rules are for the guidance of the wise and the obedience of fools.”

“Only products of public education with the usual weak English language programs would understand a masculine pronoun as referring to males only.”

- But, as it is, those making these claims are clearly not from the group you describe. Wallace holds JD degree and this is the entire basis of his suit. By the merits of your argument, the 19th Amendment was unnecessary.

For the record, I also blamed sexists in the first instance. Sure, they are trying to make the masculine pronoun serve their own purposes as well, but again, the proper understanding of the masculine pronoun in our English language is that it represents both genders equally in these types of instances.

Besides, the equal protection language in the amendments would obviously amend any gender confusion issues in the original meanings anyway. Why wouldn’t they?

I mean, someone who’s pretty clearly a non-feminist is making a claim that the use of masculine pronouns should restrict women’s participation in government. You don’t think that might actually mean that those feminists supporting gender-neutral language constructs might have a point? Because, on its face, this seems to underscore their argument a lot more than impugn their credibility.

If there’s any confusion about original meaning, it’s really the sexists, feminists, and liberal English language folks who are making much ado about nothing.

The idiot filing the lawsuit should read the 12th Amendment… “The person having the greatest number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed;….” OR… maybe the 14th Amendment which deals with equal protection for born or naturalized citizens (not just male citizens). OR the 22nd Amendment which states no “person” shall serve more than 2 terms as President (it doesn’t say “male person”). Nothing better than a swiss cheese argument from the mentally underdeveloped to brighten the day.

QUOTE OFF

The two candidates are almost equivalent in terms of policies. We’re meant to believe they are opposites and that choosing one is important. When in reality, they are both (all 3 actually) the same.

Is it just me, or is this not a good rationale for why an ERA would be a good idea–it would prevent us from having to deal with mind-numbing word parsers on at least this issue.

Can’t help but notice how these antiquarians all seem to be Republicans.

I am reasonably certain Marple was transported here from the planet of “Form Over Substance.”

I’m hoping Mr. Wallace is wealthy, white, landed gentry or perhaps he shouldn’t be voting let alone bringing suit.

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Article published Feb 20, 2008
My turn
Legally, a woman can’t be elected president
Letter to editor
By DICK MARPLE
Feb 20, 2008

Most people believe not only that the 19th Amendment permitted women the right to vote but that since women serve in Congress, the courts and other offices of government, the office of president of the United States has been de-genderized. Not true. This important legal question exists now and has not been constitutionally addressed. The language and syntax of the 19th Amendment merely removed the barriers that prevented women from voting. It did not identify women to be qualified to become elected president. The language is clear. The 19th Amendment says: “The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex.” We cannot read into the amendment something that is not there. Now, had the amendment said, “The right of citizens of the United States to vote or hold public office shall not be denied,” it would have accomplished what the feminists think took place. The Susan B. Anthony Amendment (as it was then known, because the words were actually drafted by the suffragist in 1875) passed in the House by a vote of 304 to 89. The Senate then passed it, 56 to 25. The text of both the House and Senate deliberately avoided any language that would allow or permit women the right to seek the highest office in the land! It was the considered opinion of senators on both sides of the aisle that if language de-genderized the presidency, the amendment’s ratification by the necessary 36 states would be in great doubt. Today’s feminists believe the election process is an evolutionary process, legalized by common practice and that someday a woman will be president. They are convinced that since women have run for the office, the male-gendered presidential office has been neutered . Not so. They will be challenged, and a Supreme Court ruling on the language will be necessary. At the very least a constitutional amendment to change the language will be required.
(Dick Marple lives in Hooksett.)