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		<title>By: Susan</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/04/12/kidside-view-of-court-its-all-about-the-chairs/#comment-11099</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Susan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 04:17:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[“The brownies were rather addicting I must say.”
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lol  This line was definitely, to use DW&#039;s term, a &quot;proto-Susan.&quot;  I can&#039;t resist good brownies.  :-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“The brownies were rather addicting I must say.”<br />
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<p>lol  This line was definitely, to use DW&#8217;s term, a &#8220;proto-Susan.&#8221;  I can&#8217;t resist good brownies.  <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Susan</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/04/12/kidside-view-of-court-its-all-about-the-chairs/#comment-11097</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Susan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 04:09:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mespo:

I agree with what you said about the training to &quot;think like lawyers,&quot; removing emotion and replacing it with analysis of the situation or case.  I also think that given the same books and tools as law students have, people with a real drive to learn about the law process and how it works could have that same kind of training.  

The reason I believe it is so important that more people have access to knowledge about the law is the headlines over the last year or more about the occurrence of wrongful convictions -- and later exonerations -- and the devastating effect they have, on the people wrongly convicted and on the criminal justice system as a whole.  The Duke University case in NC was a very near miss of that same kind of tragedy.  It was only avoided because the three accused players were able to hire some of the &quot;top guns&quot; of criminal defense expertise.  If their parents hadn&#039;t had the funds to hire the lawyers they had, the odds are very high that three more wrongful convictions would have happened.

Sorry, I&#039;m digressing.  I just wish everyone who wanted to learn the basics of law, enough to be able to effectively represent themselves in a criminal court if necessary, was able to do so, whether they had the ability to pay or not.  I don&#039;t believe that receiving real justice in the criminal courts should be a privilege for the rich only, and right now, it does seem to me that is too often the case.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mespo:</p>
<p>I agree with what you said about the training to &#8220;think like lawyers,&#8221; removing emotion and replacing it with analysis of the situation or case.  I also think that given the same books and tools as law students have, people with a real drive to learn about the law process and how it works could have that same kind of training.  </p>
<p>The reason I believe it is so important that more people have access to knowledge about the law is the headlines over the last year or more about the occurrence of wrongful convictions &#8212; and later exonerations &#8212; and the devastating effect they have, on the people wrongly convicted and on the criminal justice system as a whole.  The Duke University case in NC was a very near miss of that same kind of tragedy.  It was only avoided because the three accused players were able to hire some of the &#8220;top guns&#8221; of criminal defense expertise.  If their parents hadn&#8217;t had the funds to hire the lawyers they had, the odds are very high that three more wrongful convictions would have happened.</p>
<p>Sorry, I&#8217;m digressing.  I just wish everyone who wanted to learn the basics of law, enough to be able to effectively represent themselves in a criminal court if necessary, was able to do so, whether they had the ability to pay or not.  I don&#8217;t believe that receiving real justice in the criminal courts should be a privilege for the rich only, and right now, it does seem to me that is too often the case.</p>
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		<title>By: mespo727272</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/04/12/kidside-view-of-court-its-all-about-the-chairs/#comment-11093</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mespo727272]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 03:20:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[JT:

She needs an appointment to the Fifth Circuit. I would have agreed with you, but I had the image of one of my kids making that same statement.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JT:</p>
<p>She needs an appointment to the Fifth Circuit. I would have agreed with you, but I had the image of one of my kids making that same statement.</p>
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		<title>By: jonathanturley</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/04/12/kidside-view-of-court-its-all-about-the-chairs/#comment-11092</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jonathanturley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 03:03:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mespo:

Despite the fact that I invariably agree with your well-reasoned views, I must respectfully disagree. My favorite review of the field trip is:

“My Name is Gillian and I’m 11. I like soccer and I have 2 dogs. One is 4lbs and her name is Peanut. The other is 25lbs and his name is Teddy. They are both lhaso Apso Poodles (mutts). I have blond hair and freckles across my nose. Last I have 2 sisters and 1 brother.”

There is something terribly profound in this totally unconnected thought.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mespo:</p>
<p>Despite the fact that I invariably agree with your well-reasoned views, I must respectfully disagree. My favorite review of the field trip is:</p>
<p>“My Name is Gillian and I’m 11. I like soccer and I have 2 dogs. One is 4lbs and her name is Peanut. The other is 25lbs and his name is Teddy. They are both lhaso Apso Poodles (mutts). I have blond hair and freckles across my nose. Last I have 2 sisters and 1 brother.”</p>
<p>There is something terribly profound in this totally unconnected thought.</p>
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		<title>By: mespo727272</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/04/12/kidside-view-of-court-its-all-about-the-chairs/#comment-11088</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mespo727272]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 01:10:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My favorite line:&quot;I want to become a lawyer (or a chef) and I thought that it was really interesting.&quot;  That really is a proto-mespo.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My favorite line:&#8221;I want to become a lawyer (or a chef) and I thought that it was really interesting.&#8221;  That really is a proto-mespo.</p>
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		<title>By: mespo727272</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/04/12/kidside-view-of-court-its-all-about-the-chairs/#comment-11082</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mespo727272]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 00:15:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Susan:

The value of a legal education IMHO is the training to &quot;think like lawyers.&quot; The process compels you to remove all emotion, and simply analyze the situation coolly and dispassionately, using rules gleaned from years of practical application. The basic path is: identification of the issue (usually the hardest part); determination of the applicable rule or law; analysis of the facts in view of the law; and conclusion. By far the least important part is the conclusion since most legal analysis changes over time as circumstances change.  I think everyone could benefit from learning how to think this way.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Susan:</p>
<p>The value of a legal education IMHO is the training to &#8220;think like lawyers.&#8221; The process compels you to remove all emotion, and simply analyze the situation coolly and dispassionately, using rules gleaned from years of practical application. The basic path is: identification of the issue (usually the hardest part); determination of the applicable rule or law; analysis of the facts in view of the law; and conclusion. By far the least important part is the conclusion since most legal analysis changes over time as circumstances change.  I think everyone could benefit from learning how to think this way.</p>
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		<title>By: Patty C</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/04/12/kidside-view-of-court-its-all-about-the-chairs/#comment-11078</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Patty C]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 22:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s all about the Copyright Infringement - they&#039;ll be back
for the cookies, the milk, the swively chairs AND those addicting 
brownies! :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s all about the Copyright Infringement &#8211; they&#8217;ll be back<br />
for the cookies, the milk, the swively chairs AND those addicting<br />
brownies! <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Susan</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/04/12/kidside-view-of-court-its-all-about-the-chairs/#comment-11069</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Susan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 15:10:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[lol  Thanks, Jill, I generally have no more than one cup per day, so I don&#039;t think I&#039;m overdoing it.   So far, I think that&#039;s my only &quot;vice.&quot;  Oh wait, I forgot the occasional indulgence of chocolate.  Okay, so that&#039;s two vices.  Arrest me.  :-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lol  Thanks, Jill, I generally have no more than one cup per day, so I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;m overdoing it.   So far, I think that&#8217;s my only &#8220;vice.&#8221;  Oh wait, I forgot the occasional indulgence of chocolate.  Okay, so that&#8217;s two vices.  Arrest me.  <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Jill</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/04/12/kidside-view-of-court-its-all-about-the-chairs/#comment-11067</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jill]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 14:54:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Susan,

I think that is a great idea!

Jill

P.S. Quit drinking all that caffine.  Your statements always make sense!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Susan,</p>
<p>I think that is a great idea!</p>
<p>Jill</p>
<p>P.S. Quit drinking all that caffine.  Your statements always make sense!</p>
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		<title>By: Susan</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/04/12/kidside-view-of-court-its-all-about-the-chairs/#comment-11062</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Susan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 13:42:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[JT, thanks so much for sharing this wonderful story, and the kids&#039; delightful letters.  I can certainly understand their being thrilled with the chairs, since the ones they have to sit in every day at their respective schools are usually hard and uncomfortable.  From what I remember of chairs as an elementary school kid, they were wood and metal, NOT something a kid enjoys sitting in for a big part of the day!  

I wish more people could be exposed to the basic principles of law in the same way you and your team at GW Law School educated these elementary youngsters.  And I mean people of all ages, who are interested in learning as much as possible.  While not all of them would become lawyers, it might help them get a much better understanding of the law than they have now.  

Right now, too many of us don&#039;t have even a remote grasp of how the law works, let alone a complete one.  Personally, and others may strongly disagree with me, I think every person should have a basic course of law included in their education somewhere.  I honestly don&#039;t see how a basic course in law could hurt anyone.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JT, thanks so much for sharing this wonderful story, and the kids&#8217; delightful letters.  I can certainly understand their being thrilled with the chairs, since the ones they have to sit in every day at their respective schools are usually hard and uncomfortable.  From what I remember of chairs as an elementary school kid, they were wood and metal, NOT something a kid enjoys sitting in for a big part of the day!  </p>
<p>I wish more people could be exposed to the basic principles of law in the same way you and your team at GW Law School educated these elementary youngsters.  And I mean people of all ages, who are interested in learning as much as possible.  While not all of them would become lawyers, it might help them get a much better understanding of the law than they have now.  </p>
<p>Right now, too many of us don&#8217;t have even a remote grasp of how the law works, let alone a complete one.  Personally, and others may strongly disagree with me, I think every person should have a basic course of law included in their education somewhere.  I honestly don&#8217;t see how a basic course in law could hurt anyone.</p>
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		<title>By: Patty C</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/04/12/kidside-view-of-court-its-all-about-the-chairs/#comment-11061</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Patty C]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 13:39:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[When do you expect the little darlings to file their appeal?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When do you expect the little darlings to file their appeal?</p>
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		<title>By: Jill</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/04/12/kidside-view-of-court-its-all-about-the-chairs/#comment-11058</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jill]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 13:17:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Milk, cookies and swively chairs in every school!

This was really great.  Those kids are awesome!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Milk, cookies and swively chairs in every school!</p>
<p>This was really great.  Those kids are awesome!</p>
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		<title>By: rcampbell</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/04/12/kidside-view-of-court-its-all-about-the-chairs/#comment-11054</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rcampbell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 12:25:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This one would have made Art Linkletter so proud:

“It really got me interested in law, even though my dads a layer and has already pressured me enough to become one as well.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This one would have made Art Linkletter so proud:</p>
<p>“It really got me interested in law, even though my dads a layer and has already pressured me enough to become one as well.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: deeply worried</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/04/12/kidside-view-of-court-its-all-about-the-chairs/#comment-11051</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[deeply worried]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 12:15:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Delightful!

After all the sturm und drang of the last few days, this is a welcome re-assurance that our species has some redeeming value!

You can see from the comments above that our cognitive styles are formed fairly early!  I saw proto-Pattys, proto-DW&#039;s, proto-Turleys, proto-Mespos,proto-Jays, Proto-Susans, etc. in the munchkin&#039;s thinking and writing.

My proto-DW was comment 29.  I will leave my other assignments a secret! :)

For the professor, the comment about the dad having been one of your students must have given you a small moment of happiness.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Delightful!</p>
<p>After all the sturm und drang of the last few days, this is a welcome re-assurance that our species has some redeeming value!</p>
<p>You can see from the comments above that our cognitive styles are formed fairly early!  I saw proto-Pattys, proto-DW&#8217;s, proto-Turleys, proto-Mespos,proto-Jays, Proto-Susans, etc. in the munchkin&#8217;s thinking and writing.</p>
<p>My proto-DW was comment 29.  I will leave my other assignments a secret! <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>For the professor, the comment about the dad having been one of your students must have given you a small moment of happiness.</p>
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