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	<title>Comments on: A Judge Runs Through It:  Family Loses Land by Adverse Possession to Colorado Judge</title>
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		<title>By: mespo727272</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/05/06/a-judge-runs-through-it-family-loses-land-by-adverse-possession-to-colorado-judge/#comment-12828</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 22:58:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bob/Patty C:

I am with you. This is judicial taking not lawful taking.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob/Patty C:</p>
<p>I am with you. This is judicial taking not lawful taking.</p>
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		<title>By: Patty C</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Patty C]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 21:48:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If one had been running livestock uninterrupted and unhindered, perhaps this would fly, but just for walking trail? Pretty thin reasoning, IMHO.  


Speaking of our frontier present and justice-this from South Park,CO (really)

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-bison4-2008may04,0,853278.story]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If one had been running livestock uninterrupted and unhindered, perhaps this would fly, but just for walking trail? Pretty thin reasoning, IMHO.  </p>
<p>Speaking of our frontier present and justice-this from South Park,CO (really)</p>
<p><a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-bison4-2008may04,0,853278.story" rel="nofollow">http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-bison4-2008may04,0,853278.story</a></p>
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		<title>By: Bob, Esq.</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob, Esq.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 20:38:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How can a path become anything more than a Prescriptive Easement?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How can a path become anything more than a Prescriptive Easement?</p>
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		<title>By: gf</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 14:18:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Adverse possession?! No way! I thought this was a property law 1 fantasy that never happened in the real world. Imagine the look of The Kirlins when they found out such a law even existed!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adverse possession?! No way! I thought this was a property law 1 fantasy that never happened in the real world. Imagine the look of The Kirlins when they found out such a law even existed!</p>
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		<title>By: whooliebacon</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[whooliebacon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 12:32:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Kirlins could use some frontier justice.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Kirlins could use some frontier justice.</p>
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		<title>By: mespo727272</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 12:25:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[JT:

Land grabs are never very pretty and adverse possession is just a vestige from our frontier past, where land was left abandoned for years which complicated ownership chains and tax collection. In any event, sometimes a judge has to be creative to effect justice. In this case the Judge certainly could have made a factual finding that the path did not meet the requisite time of existence and thus denied the Petition.  In addition, he could have limited his ruling to the path itself without providing an appreciable access rendering the taking worthless. This would have certainly won him the Shakespeare award for the ruling most like Portia&#039;s in the &quot;Merchant of Venice,&quot; another situation (albeit fictional)involving the oppressive application of law. 

The easiest ruling would have been to deny the Petition on well established equitable principles which holds that, although equity will not &quot;aid those who slumber on their rights&quot; (a la the Kirlins), it will likewise require that those seeking equity come with &quot;clean hands.&quot;  Since former Judge McClean and current lawyer Stevens may  be living together without the benefit of marriage, my guess is that Colorado law does not countenance such a meretricious relationship and thus these litigants come to Court with unclean hands. Not a particularly enlightened view as modern sensibilities go, but few would doubt it is an equitable and just result. 

While not routinely admitted, it is true that sometimes, in order to effect justice, you do have to keep two sets of books.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JT:</p>
<p>Land grabs are never very pretty and adverse possession is just a vestige from our frontier past, where land was left abandoned for years which complicated ownership chains and tax collection. In any event, sometimes a judge has to be creative to effect justice. In this case the Judge certainly could have made a factual finding that the path did not meet the requisite time of existence and thus denied the Petition.  In addition, he could have limited his ruling to the path itself without providing an appreciable access rendering the taking worthless. This would have certainly won him the Shakespeare award for the ruling most like Portia&#8217;s in the &#8220;Merchant of Venice,&#8221; another situation (albeit fictional)involving the oppressive application of law. </p>
<p>The easiest ruling would have been to deny the Petition on well established equitable principles which holds that, although equity will not &#8220;aid those who slumber on their rights&#8221; (a la the Kirlins), it will likewise require that those seeking equity come with &#8220;clean hands.&#8221;  Since former Judge McClean and current lawyer Stevens may  be living together without the benefit of marriage, my guess is that Colorado law does not countenance such a meretricious relationship and thus these litigants come to Court with unclean hands. Not a particularly enlightened view as modern sensibilities go, but few would doubt it is an equitable and just result. </p>
<p>While not routinely admitted, it is true that sometimes, in order to effect justice, you do have to keep two sets of books.</p>
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		<title>By: rafflaw</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 11:51:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I smell an appeal in this case to get it in front of one or more &quot;disinterested&quot; judges.  This is an example of how attorneys get a bad reputation.  What was on that property that made it so valuable to this judge?  Was it waterfront property?  An especially good view of the mountains??  If they do win on appeal, can the property owners sue the judge for abuse of process or perjury?  Adverse possession is one area that society could do without.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I smell an appeal in this case to get it in front of one or more &#8220;disinterested&#8221; judges.  This is an example of how attorneys get a bad reputation.  What was on that property that made it so valuable to this judge?  Was it waterfront property?  An especially good view of the mountains??  If they do win on appeal, can the property owners sue the judge for abuse of process or perjury?  Adverse possession is one area that society could do without.</p>
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