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	<title>Comments on: Police Allegedly Raid Wrong Home, Tore Apart Apartment, Ripped Out Man&#8217;s Catheter, and Assault Innocent Man</title>
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	<description>Res ipsa loquitur ("The thing itself speaks")</description>
	<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 04:52:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: rafflaw</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/05/16/police-allegedly-raid-wrong-home-tore-apart-apartment-ripped-out-mans-catheter-and-assault-innocent-man/#comment-13436</link>
		<dc:creator>rafflaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 03:43:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dunder,
Why do you patrol this site when you know that actual facts are going to be discussed?  Has there ever been an illegal and abusive arrest in your opinion?  Maybe if you were the recipient of this kind of alleged brutality, you might be singing a different tune.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dunder,<br />
Why do you patrol this site when you know that actual facts are going to be discussed?  Has there ever been an illegal and abusive arrest in your opinion?  Maybe if you were the recipient of this kind of alleged brutality, you might be singing a different tune.</p>
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		<title>By: binx101</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/05/16/police-allegedly-raid-wrong-home-tore-apart-apartment-ripped-out-mans-catheter-and-assault-innocent-man/#comment-13421</link>
		<dc:creator>binx101</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 22:50:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dunder or Blunder or whatever your name is - who puts more unsubstantiated manure in print that you?

C'mon - are you really Kevin James ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dunder or Blunder or whatever your name is - who puts more unsubstantiated manure in print that you?</p>
<p>C&#8217;mon - are you really Kevin James ?</p>
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		<title>By: mespo727272</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/05/16/police-allegedly-raid-wrong-home-tore-apart-apartment-ripped-out-mans-catheter-and-assault-innocent-man/#comment-13420</link>
		<dc:creator>mespo727272</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 20:22:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dunder:

It always just allegations until some judge or jury says otherwise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dunder:</p>
<p>It always just allegations until some judge or jury says otherwise.</p>
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		<title>By: dunder</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/05/16/police-allegedly-raid-wrong-home-tore-apart-apartment-ripped-out-mans-catheter-and-assault-innocent-man/#comment-13418</link>
		<dc:creator>dunder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 19:59:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>an "IF" and 50 cents used to get you a cup of coffee.  Why is this even up for discussion when NOBODY KNOWS THE FACTS.  I find it disturbing that this stuff gets in print when it is all just plain allegations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>an &#8220;IF&#8221; and 50 cents used to get you a cup of coffee.  Why is this even up for discussion when NOBODY KNOWS THE FACTS.  I find it disturbing that this stuff gets in print when it is all just plain allegations.</p>
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		<title>By: mespo727272</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/05/16/police-allegedly-raid-wrong-home-tore-apart-apartment-ripped-out-mans-catheter-and-assault-innocent-man/#comment-13410</link>
		<dc:creator>mespo727272</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 16:42:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dunder:

I agree that we should hear both sides, but if it is true that the cops, without provocation, pulled the man's catheter out, is there some plausible scenario that would justify this conduct in the execution of a search without a warrant?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dunder:</p>
<p>I agree that we should hear both sides, but if it is true that the cops, without provocation, pulled the man&#8217;s catheter out, is there some plausible scenario that would justify this conduct in the execution of a search without a warrant?</p>
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		<title>By: dunder</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/05/16/police-allegedly-raid-wrong-home-tore-apart-apartment-ripped-out-mans-catheter-and-assault-innocent-man/#comment-13407</link>
		<dc:creator>dunder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 14:00:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"While we have yet to hear the side of the officers, this is an outrageous case if even 1/2 of these facts are proven."

Is it still outrageous if even 1/3 of the facts are proven?

How about 1/4?

How about 1/10?

How about when none are factual and it turns out it is all made up by a guy seeing dollar signs waiving in front of him....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;While we have yet to hear the side of the officers, this is an outrageous case if even 1/2 of these facts are proven.&#8221;</p>
<p>Is it still outrageous if even 1/3 of the facts are proven?</p>
<p>How about 1/4?</p>
<p>How about 1/10?</p>
<p>How about when none are factual and it turns out it is all made up by a guy seeing dollar signs waiving in front of him&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: mespo727272</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/05/16/police-allegedly-raid-wrong-home-tore-apart-apartment-ripped-out-mans-catheter-and-assault-innocent-man/#comment-13403</link>
		<dc:creator>mespo727272</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 13:05:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Susan:

I am sure some will argue that the cops, despite their unnecessary brutality against a sick man, had a good faith basis to search. Some file clerk's mistake will go unpunished, and the "law and order" crowd will dismiss the plight of another innocent citizen as the price to be paid for the "War on Crime". Toleration for other people's misery is the watchword for the rigth-wing.  You see, it's "results" that matter, and "due process", well that's just a phrase for pointy-headed professors and defense lawyers. Their faith in the power structure is absolute, and Juvenal's eternal question -- Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?* -- falls deaf on their ears. Ironic, if it weren't so pathetic.

*Who will watch the watchmen?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Susan:</p>
<p>I am sure some will argue that the cops, despite their unnecessary brutality against a sick man, had a good faith basis to search. Some file clerk&#8217;s mistake will go unpunished, and the &#8220;law and order&#8221; crowd will dismiss the plight of another innocent citizen as the price to be paid for the &#8220;War on Crime&#8221;. Toleration for other people&#8217;s misery is the watchword for the rigth-wing.  You see, it&#8217;s &#8220;results&#8221; that matter, and &#8220;due process&#8221;, well that&#8217;s just a phrase for pointy-headed professors and defense lawyers. Their faith in the power structure is absolute, and Juvenal&#8217;s eternal question &#8212; Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?* &#8212; falls deaf on their ears. Ironic, if it weren&#8217;t so pathetic.</p>
<p>*Who will watch the watchmen?</p>
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		<title>By: Susan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 12:40:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'd love to hear the "probable cause" the police had for ripping out this innocent man's catheter, which definitely can be called TORTURE in my book!  I don't believe such a crime is called for in ANY search or arrest warrant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d love to hear the &#8220;probable cause&#8221; the police had for ripping out this innocent man&#8217;s catheter, which definitely can be called TORTURE in my book!  I don&#8217;t believe such a crime is called for in ANY search or arrest warrant.</p>
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