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	<title>Comments on: The Poetry of Presidential Abuse:  The D.C. Circuit Rules Against the President With &#8220;Snarky&#8221; Poem</title>
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		<title>By: mespo727272</title>
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		<description>From &quot;The Hunting of the Snark&quot; by Lewis Carroll. The particular passage from &quot;The Barrister&#039;s Dream&quot; of that poem probably is a pretty good summary of how this hearing must have gone in the eyes of the appellate court, with the Snark depicting our government  at its &quot;finest&quot;:

....

But the Barrister, weary of proving in vain
That the Beaver&#039;s lace-making was wrong,
Fell asleep, and in dreams saw the creature quite plain
That his fancy had dwelt on so long.

He dreamed that he stood in a shadowy Court,
Where the Snark, with a glass in its eye,
Dressed in gown, bands, and wig, was defending a pig
On the charge of deserting its sty.

The Witnesses proved, without error or flaw,
That the sty was deserted when found:
And the Judge kept explaining the state of the law
In a soft under-current of sound.

The indictment had never been clearly expressed,
And it seemed that the Snark had begun,
And had spoken three hours, before any one guessed
What the pig was supposed to have done.

The Jury had each formed a different view
(Long before the indictment was read),
And they all spoke at once, so that none of them knew
One word that the others had said.

&quot;You must know ---&quot; said the Judge: but the Snark exclaimed &quot;Fudge!&quot;
That statute is obsolete quite!
Let me tell you, my friends, the whole question depends
On an ancient manorial right.

&quot;In the matter of Treason the pig would appear
To have aided, but scarcely abetted:
While the charge of Insolvency fails, it is clear,
If you grant the plea &#039;never indebted.&#039;

&quot;The fact of Desertion I will not dispute;
But its guilt, as I trust, is removed
(So far as related to the costs of this suit)
By the Alibi which has been proved.

&quot;My poor client&#039;s fate now depends on you votes.&quot;
Here the speaker sat down in his place,
And directed the Judge to refer to his notes
And briefly to sum up the case.

But the Judge said he never had summed up before;
So the Snark undertook it instead,
And summed it so well that it came to far more
Than the Witnesses ever had said!

When the verdict was called for, the Jury declined,
As the word was so puzzling to spell;
But they ventured to hope that the Snark wouldn&#039;t mind
Undertaking that duty as well.

So the Snark found the verdict, although, as it owned,
It was spent with the toils of the day:
When it said the word &quot;GUILTY!&quot; the Jury all groaned,
And some of them fainted away.

Then the Snark pronounced sentence, the Judge being quite
Too nervous to utter a word:
When it rose to its feet, there was silence like night,
And the fall of a pin might be heard.

&quot;Transportation for life&quot; was the sentence it gave,
&quot;And *then* to be fined forty pound.&quot;
The Jury all cheered, though the Judge said he feared
That the phrase was not legally sound.

But their wild exultation was suddenly checked
When the jailer informed them, with tears,
Such a sentence would have not the slightest effect,
As the pig had been dead for some years. 

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From &#8220;The Hunting of the Snark&#8221; by Lewis Carroll. The particular passage from &#8220;The Barrister&#8217;s Dream&#8221; of that poem probably is a pretty good summary of how this hearing must have gone in the eyes of the appellate court, with the Snark depicting our government  at its &#8220;finest&#8221;:</p>
<p>&#8230;.</p>
<p>But the Barrister, weary of proving in vain<br />
That the Beaver&#8217;s lace-making was wrong,<br />
Fell asleep, and in dreams saw the creature quite plain<br />
That his fancy had dwelt on so long.</p>
<p>He dreamed that he stood in a shadowy Court,<br />
Where the Snark, with a glass in its eye,<br />
Dressed in gown, bands, and wig, was defending a pig<br />
On the charge of deserting its sty.</p>
<p>The Witnesses proved, without error or flaw,<br />
That the sty was deserted when found:<br />
And the Judge kept explaining the state of the law<br />
In a soft under-current of sound.</p>
<p>The indictment had never been clearly expressed,<br />
And it seemed that the Snark had begun,<br />
And had spoken three hours, before any one guessed<br />
What the pig was supposed to have done.</p>
<p>The Jury had each formed a different view<br />
(Long before the indictment was read),<br />
And they all spoke at once, so that none of them knew<br />
One word that the others had said.</p>
<p>&#8220;You must know &#8212;&#8221; said the Judge: but the Snark exclaimed &#8220;Fudge!&#8221;<br />
That statute is obsolete quite!<br />
Let me tell you, my friends, the whole question depends<br />
On an ancient manorial right.</p>
<p>&#8220;In the matter of Treason the pig would appear<br />
To have aided, but scarcely abetted:<br />
While the charge of Insolvency fails, it is clear,<br />
If you grant the plea &#8216;never indebted.&#8217;</p>
<p>&#8220;The fact of Desertion I will not dispute;<br />
But its guilt, as I trust, is removed<br />
(So far as related to the costs of this suit)<br />
By the Alibi which has been proved.</p>
<p>&#8220;My poor client&#8217;s fate now depends on you votes.&#8221;<br />
Here the speaker sat down in his place,<br />
And directed the Judge to refer to his notes<br />
And briefly to sum up the case.</p>
<p>But the Judge said he never had summed up before;<br />
So the Snark undertook it instead,<br />
And summed it so well that it came to far more<br />
Than the Witnesses ever had said!</p>
<p>When the verdict was called for, the Jury declined,<br />
As the word was so puzzling to spell;<br />
But they ventured to hope that the Snark wouldn&#8217;t mind<br />
Undertaking that duty as well.</p>
<p>So the Snark found the verdict, although, as it owned,<br />
It was spent with the toils of the day:<br />
When it said the word &#8220;GUILTY!&#8221; the Jury all groaned,<br />
And some of them fainted away.</p>
<p>Then the Snark pronounced sentence, the Judge being quite<br />
Too nervous to utter a word:<br />
When it rose to its feet, there was silence like night,<br />
And the fall of a pin might be heard.</p>
<p>&#8220;Transportation for life&#8221; was the sentence it gave,<br />
&#8220;And *then* to be fined forty pound.&#8221;<br />
The Jury all cheered, though the Judge said he feared<br />
That the phrase was not legally sound.</p>
<p>But their wild exultation was suddenly checked<br />
When the jailer informed them, with tears,<br />
Such a sentence would have not the slightest effect,<br />
As the pig had been dead for some years. </p>
<p>&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Patty C</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 18:37:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Poetic justice... 

http://jonathanturley.org/2007/11/20/judge-brinkema-threatens-new-trial-for-dr-ali-al-timimi-demands-access-of-counsel-to-secret-material/

Where&#039;s Treacy?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Poetic justice&#8230; </p>
<p><a href="http://jonathanturley.org/2007/11/20/judge-brinkema-threatens-new-trial-for-dr-ali-al-timimi-demands-access-of-counsel-to-secret-material/" rel="nofollow">http://jonathanturley.org/2007/11/20/judge-brinkema-threatens-new-trial-for-dr-ali-al-timimi-demands-access-of-counsel-to-secret-material/</a></p>
<p>Where&#8217;s Treacy?</p>
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		<title>By: Jill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 17:36:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This ruling is very heartening.  I think the court nailed the MO of the administration in everything they do with the &quot;snark&quot;.  I am encouraged that more and more courts are not simply taking the word of this administration.  Frankly, I don&#039;t understand why anyone would.

Disturbingly it would appear that China has been a silent partner in several (perhaps many) cases of torture.  

The courts are starting to stand up as Congress continues to stand down!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This ruling is very heartening.  I think the court nailed the MO of the administration in everything they do with the &#8220;snark&#8221;.  I am encouraged that more and more courts are not simply taking the word of this administration.  Frankly, I don&#8217;t understand why anyone would.</p>
<p>Disturbingly it would appear that China has been a silent partner in several (perhaps many) cases of torture.  </p>
<p>The courts are starting to stand up as Congress continues to stand down!</p>
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