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	<title>Comments on: Details of $8.7 Million Court Loss of Scientology Revealed</title>
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	<description>Res ipsa loquitur (&#34;The thing itself speaks&#34;)</description>
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		<title>By: teknikAL</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/07/07/details-of-87-million-court-loss-of-scientology-revealed/#comment-16234</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[teknikAL]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 00:05:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jonathan, a new link for Ortaga&#039;s story:
http://www.villagevoice.com/2008-06-24/news/Scientologys-Crushing-Defeat/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jonathan, a new link for Ortaga&#8217;s story:<br />
<a href="http://www.villagevoice.com/2008-06-24/news/Scientologys-Crushing-Defeat/" rel="nofollow">http://www.villagevoice.com/2008-06-24/news/Scientologys-Crushing-Defeat/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jill</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/07/07/details-of-87-million-court-loss-of-scientology-revealed/#comment-16134</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jill]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 22:48:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Doesn&#039;t the ruling below bear on the woman who was kidnapped and physically harmed by church members during her &quot;exorcism&quot;?


&quot;Scientology claimed that its practices were protected by freedoms guaranteed in the First Amendment, but the court rejected that argument by pointing out that Wollersheim had been coerced to remain a Scientologist through the threat of freeloader debt, the use of “fair game,” and the use of confidential information in his files.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doesn&#8217;t the ruling below bear on the woman who was kidnapped and physically harmed by church members during her &#8220;exorcism&#8221;?</p>
<p>&#8220;Scientology claimed that its practices were protected by freedoms guaranteed in the First Amendment, but the court rejected that argument by pointing out that Wollersheim had been coerced to remain a Scientologist through the threat of freeloader debt, the use of “fair game,” and the use of confidential information in his files.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Flower Child Gone to Seed</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/07/07/details-of-87-million-court-loss-of-scientology-revealed/#comment-16112</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Flower Child Gone to Seed]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 15:39:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My &quot;wheel of wonder&quot; has a suicide knob on it:  my spouse complains frequently of such out of body experiences.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My &#8220;wheel of wonder&#8221; has a suicide knob on it:  my spouse complains frequently of such out of body experiences.</p>
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		<title>By: jonathanturley</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/07/07/details-of-87-million-court-loss-of-scientology-revealed/#comment-16110</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jonathanturley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 15:30:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Flower child:

I have done the gravel truck thing myself. I used my special level of consciousness to turn something I call the &quot;wheel of wonder&quot; while instructing my right foot to slow down time by depressing what I call the &quot;pedal of power.&quot;  As for taking over control of the car of another person losing control, anyone who has driven with my mother has experienced that particular out of body sensation.  We also call it the “OT (Other Turley) phenomena.&quot;

Jonathan]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Flower child:</p>
<p>I have done the gravel truck thing myself. I used my special level of consciousness to turn something I call the &#8220;wheel of wonder&#8221; while instructing my right foot to slow down time by depressing what I call the &#8220;pedal of power.&#8221;  As for taking over control of the car of another person losing control, anyone who has driven with my mother has experienced that particular out of body sensation.  We also call it the “OT (Other Turley) phenomena.&#8221;</p>
<p>Jonathan</p>
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		<title>By: Jill</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/07/07/details-of-87-million-court-loss-of-scientology-revealed/#comment-16109</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jill]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 15:29:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Another Scientologist took over the body of a man who was losing control of his car on the freeway, righted the car,...&quot;

I hope there&#039;s a lot of Scientologists around for the rapture!  I was getting worried about what to do with all the empty cars and planes that will be running amok!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Another Scientologist took over the body of a man who was losing control of his car on the freeway, righted the car,&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>I hope there&#8217;s a lot of Scientologists around for the rapture!  I was getting worried about what to do with all the empty cars and planes that will be running amok!</p>
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		<title>By: Flower Child Gone to Seed</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/07/07/details-of-87-million-court-loss-of-scientology-revealed/#comment-16108</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Flower Child Gone to Seed]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 15:21:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Two quotes from the article stood out for me:

1.  In the most recent issue of Advance!, the magazine of the Los Angeles headquarters, Scientologists are encouraged to begin their advanced training on the OT levels after “going clear.” To entice them, the magazine contains stories by other Scientologists, identified only by initials, who have already attained advanced OT levels and have used their new abilities in what they call “OT phenomena.” One man writes of two gravel trucks bearing down on his automobile in what would have been a sure collision and his possible death—until, using his OT abilities, he slowed down time and made beams come out of him to hold back the screeching trucks. Another Scientologist took over the body of a man who was losing control of his car on the freeway, righted the car, and calmed the driver down. Another man pacified a ghost that, unseen to others, was bothering workers in his office building.

2.  &quot;The Wollersheim case is among the most important decisions against Scientology in its history because it showed that the organization’s standard practices used against a member were harmful,” says Stephen Kent, a sociologist of religion at the University of Alberta who is one of the few academics who studies Scientology in depth.

I&#039;d like to know how (1) differs in any significant respect from the miracle claims associated with the various healers, saints &amp; gurus of other more &quot;conventional&quot; faiths; &amp; whether (2) isn&#039;t the case for most, if not all, religions.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two quotes from the article stood out for me:</p>
<p>1.  In the most recent issue of Advance!, the magazine of the Los Angeles headquarters, Scientologists are encouraged to begin their advanced training on the OT levels after “going clear.” To entice them, the magazine contains stories by other Scientologists, identified only by initials, who have already attained advanced OT levels and have used their new abilities in what they call “OT phenomena.” One man writes of two gravel trucks bearing down on his automobile in what would have been a sure collision and his possible death—until, using his OT abilities, he slowed down time and made beams come out of him to hold back the screeching trucks. Another Scientologist took over the body of a man who was losing control of his car on the freeway, righted the car, and calmed the driver down. Another man pacified a ghost that, unseen to others, was bothering workers in his office building.</p>
<p>2.  &#8220;The Wollersheim case is among the most important decisions against Scientology in its history because it showed that the organization’s standard practices used against a member were harmful,” says Stephen Kent, a sociologist of religion at the University of Alberta who is one of the few academics who studies Scientology in depth.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to know how (1) differs in any significant respect from the miracle claims associated with the various healers, saints &amp; gurus of other more &#8220;conventional&#8221; faiths; &amp; whether (2) isn&#8217;t the case for most, if not all, religions.</p>
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		<title>By: Jill</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jill]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 14:33:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I can understand why they tried so hard to suppress the Sea Org&#039;s picture. He is beyond Las Vegas smarmy!  Actually the whole thing has striking parallels to the cheney administration. I wish this judge was in charge of all the lawsuits filed against cheneyandminions.org.  Where is Xenu when you really need him?  Explain to me again why churches should be tax exempt.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can understand why they tried so hard to suppress the Sea Org&#8217;s picture. He is beyond Las Vegas smarmy!  Actually the whole thing has striking parallels to the cheney administration. I wish this judge was in charge of all the lawsuits filed against cheneyandminions.org.  Where is Xenu when you really need him?  Explain to me again why churches should be tax exempt.</p>
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