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	<title>Comments on: Mormon Church Cracks Down on &#8220;Men on a Mission&#8221; Calendar</title>
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		<title>By: Jewlicious &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Sexy Mormon Calendar Results in Excommunication</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/07/13/mormon-church-cracks-down-on-men-on-a-mission-calendar/#comment-18914</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jewlicious &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Sexy Mormon Calendar Results in Excommunication]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 06:39:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: dh</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/07/13/mormon-church-cracks-down-on-men-on-a-mission-calendar/#comment-18693</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dh]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 11:27:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Really though, don&#039;t you think the Mormon church benefits either way?  They are &quot;damned if they do, damned if they don&#039;t&quot; in this situation.  If they say nothing, they come under criticism for letting such a &quot;racy&quot; calender be pubished and we all see what happened when they did protest.  Either way they still make $$$$$$ and as a good friend of mine always says, &quot;Mormonism is BIG business!&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really though, don&#8217;t you think the Mormon church benefits either way?  They are &#8220;damned if they do, damned if they don&#8217;t&#8221; in this situation.  If they say nothing, they come under criticism for letting such a &#8220;racy&#8221; calender be pubished and we all see what happened when they did protest.  Either way they still make $$$$$$ and as a good friend of mine always says, &#8220;Mormonism is BIG business!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: BARTLEBEE</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/07/13/mormon-church-cracks-down-on-men-on-a-mission-calendar/#comment-16961</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BARTLEBEE]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 16:49:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yea, I&#039;m sure he does.


:&#124;


You two should get a room.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yea, I&#8217;m sure he does.</p>
<p> <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_neutral.gif' alt=':|' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>You two should get a room.</p>
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		<title>By: mespo727272</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/07/13/mormon-church-cracks-down-on-men-on-a-mission-calendar/#comment-16916</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mespo727272]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 03:00:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[russ:

LOL. It gets me every time!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>russ:</p>
<p>LOL. It gets me every time!</p>
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		<title>By: russ</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/07/13/mormon-church-cracks-down-on-men-on-a-mission-calendar/#comment-16901</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[russ]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 21:30:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t think I shall ever see.....

anyone as dumb as bartlebee.......]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think I shall ever see&#8230;..</p>
<p>anyone as dumb as bartlebee&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: BARTLEBEE</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/07/13/mormon-church-cracks-down-on-men-on-a-mission-calendar/#comment-16871</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BARTLEBEE]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 18:43:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Freedom to worship does not mean freedom to worship as others think they should. Freedom to worship means live and let live. It means letting others worship God, Gods, or Frosty the Snowman, if they so choose, in whatever way they see fit, as long as that worship does not include violating the law, or injuring or causing harm to others.

Sects and divisions of Christianty, like the notorious &quot;Elohim City&quot; group, who no doubt helped Timothy McVeigh commit acts of terrorsim in this country, or sects of Islam, which incite murder, violence, oppression, and acts of terrorism, are not to be tolerated in the least. These belief systems are corrupted and fouled, and their members decieving themselves as to the nature of spirituality and worship.

But anything short of that, is beyond the input of outsiders to the relgion. People must be free to worship as they see fit, and voluntarily submitting oneself to a strict code of conduct, and then chosing to violate that code of conduct, does not constitute being oppressed. 

It constitutes being fickle.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Freedom to worship does not mean freedom to worship as others think they should. Freedom to worship means live and let live. It means letting others worship God, Gods, or Frosty the Snowman, if they so choose, in whatever way they see fit, as long as that worship does not include violating the law, or injuring or causing harm to others.</p>
<p>Sects and divisions of Christianty, like the notorious &#8220;Elohim City&#8221; group, who no doubt helped Timothy McVeigh commit acts of terrorsim in this country, or sects of Islam, which incite murder, violence, oppression, and acts of terrorism, are not to be tolerated in the least. These belief systems are corrupted and fouled, and their members decieving themselves as to the nature of spirituality and worship.</p>
<p>But anything short of that, is beyond the input of outsiders to the relgion. People must be free to worship as they see fit, and voluntarily submitting oneself to a strict code of conduct, and then chosing to violate that code of conduct, does not constitute being oppressed. </p>
<p>It constitutes being fickle.</p>
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		<title>By: BARTLEBEE</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/07/13/mormon-church-cracks-down-on-men-on-a-mission-calendar/#comment-16870</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BARTLEBEE]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 18:36:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In all fairness to the Mormons, you can&#039;t really blame them here.

Mormon missionaries are forbidden by the Missionary code from ever being seen in public without bare-chested. It’s actually part of the missionary policy a missionary agrees to when accepting the call to service in the Mormon church.

Additionally, they are also forbidden from removing their &quot;garment&quot; which is essentially a T-Shirt and Boxer shorts, specially blessed with the intent of protecting them from evil, as well as reminding them of their covenant with God, made when they received the garment in a sacred temple ritual. 

Any missionary doing this, that is, removing the garment, and showing himself bare-chested in public, hence is just looking to be excommunicated, so bashing the church for following their own laws, seems somewhat disingenuous.

If the intent of the thread is to mock their religious beliefs, then ok, then it is what it is. But if the intent is to criticize the church for being too hard on this young man or something, then the reality is they are simply following their own established guidelines and bylaws, and the missionary obviously knew that when he decided to violate them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In all fairness to the Mormons, you can&#8217;t really blame them here.</p>
<p>Mormon missionaries are forbidden by the Missionary code from ever being seen in public without bare-chested. It’s actually part of the missionary policy a missionary agrees to when accepting the call to service in the Mormon church.</p>
<p>Additionally, they are also forbidden from removing their &#8220;garment&#8221; which is essentially a T-Shirt and Boxer shorts, specially blessed with the intent of protecting them from evil, as well as reminding them of their covenant with God, made when they received the garment in a sacred temple ritual. </p>
<p>Any missionary doing this, that is, removing the garment, and showing himself bare-chested in public, hence is just looking to be excommunicated, so bashing the church for following their own laws, seems somewhat disingenuous.</p>
<p>If the intent of the thread is to mock their religious beliefs, then ok, then it is what it is. But if the intent is to criticize the church for being too hard on this young man or something, then the reality is they are simply following their own established guidelines and bylaws, and the missionary obviously knew that when he decided to violate them.</p>
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		<title>By: russ</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/07/13/mormon-church-cracks-down-on-men-on-a-mission-calendar/#comment-16858</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[russ]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 14:39:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Excuse me, Mormon Church, not Moron Church.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excuse me, Mormon Church, not Moron Church.</p>
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		<title>By: russ</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/07/13/mormon-church-cracks-down-on-men-on-a-mission-calendar/#comment-16857</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[russ]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 14:39:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good for the Moron Church.  They have every right to police their private beliefs.  I am just waiting for the criticism here regarding this policy of the Church to be re-directed at the Islamic faith - I won&#039;t hold my breath.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good for the Moron Church.  They have every right to police their private beliefs.  I am just waiting for the criticism here regarding this policy of the Church to be re-directed at the Islamic faith &#8211; I won&#8217;t hold my breath.</p>
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		<title>By: rafflaw</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/07/13/mormon-church-cracks-down-on-men-on-a-mission-calendar/#comment-16853</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rafflaw]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 13:53:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is sad when people aren&#039;t allowed to have a littel fun.  In my Catholic experience, the Nuns and Priests loved to dish out the guilt trip on us.  I found myself at age 40 at my daughters orientation before her Freshman year in the Catholic high school in town watching the hands of the Nun who was in charge of registration.  All these years and I was still watching out for the yard stick or the pointer in the Nun&#039;s hands for self protection.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is sad when people aren&#8217;t allowed to have a littel fun.  In my Catholic experience, the Nuns and Priests loved to dish out the guilt trip on us.  I found myself at age 40 at my daughters orientation before her Freshman year in the Catholic high school in town watching the hands of the Nun who was in charge of registration.  All these years and I was still watching out for the yard stick or the pointer in the Nun&#8217;s hands for self protection.</p>
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		<title>By: Jill</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/07/13/mormon-church-cracks-down-on-men-on-a-mission-calendar/#comment-16851</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jill]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 13:28:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Was this the peep stone edition?

Seriously,

It is signigicant that religions spend a great deal of time worried about:  1. what people are wearing and 2. if people are sufficiently obedient to the religious hierarchy.

Our bodies are how we experience this world.  Rules governing them are rules attempting to govern our experience.  

It is possible to believe in a god that is the prime fasionista.  It is also possible to know that there are people who set themselves up as god/dess chosen authority on earth.  It is not necessary to follow either.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Was this the peep stone edition?</p>
<p>Seriously,</p>
<p>It is signigicant that religions spend a great deal of time worried about:  1. what people are wearing and 2. if people are sufficiently obedient to the religious hierarchy.</p>
<p>Our bodies are how we experience this world.  Rules governing them are rules attempting to govern our experience.  </p>
<p>It is possible to believe in a god that is the prime fasionista.  It is also possible to know that there are people who set themselves up as god/dess chosen authority on earth.  It is not necessary to follow either.</p>
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