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	<title>Comments on: Obama Adviser Cass Sunstein Rejects Prosecution of &#8220;Non-Egregious&#8221;  Bush Crimes</title>
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		<title>By: Review</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/07/21/obama-adviser-cass-sunstein-rejects-prosecution-of-possible-bush-crimes/#comment-321772</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jan 2012 18:36:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: The honorable centrist Joe Lieberman</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The honorable centrist Joe Lieberman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Dec 2010 02:48:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Turley also has some thoughts regarding Cass Sunstein&#8217;s odd views on the rule of law, here. Turley apparently discussed these issues on MSNBC&#8217;s Countdown tonight, though I didn&#8217;t [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Turley also has some thoughts regarding Cass Sunstein&#8217;s odd views on the rule of law, here. Turley apparently discussed these issues on MSNBC&#8217;s Countdown tonight, though I didn&#8217;t [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Vickie Jezewski</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Vickie Jezewski]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Nov 2010 17:56:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I’d be inclined to acknowledge with you on this. Which is not something I typically do! I enjoy reading a post that will make people think. Also, thanks for allowing me to speak my mind!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’d be inclined to acknowledge with you on this. Which is not something I typically do! I enjoy reading a post that will make people think. Also, thanks for allowing me to speak my mind!</p>
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		<title>By: Government Nanny Censoring “Conspiracy Theories” is Also Responsible for Letting Bush Era Torture and Spying Conspiracies Go Unpunished &#124; NW0.eu</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/07/21/obama-adviser-cass-sunstein-rejects-prosecution-of-possible-bush-crimes/#comment-165588</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Government Nanny Censoring “Conspiracy Theories” is Also Responsible for Letting Bush Era Torture and Spying Conspiracies Go Unpunished &#124; NW0.eu]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Oct 2010 07:20:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] for torture, illegal spying, and other crimes.As constitutional expert professor Jonathan Turley wrote in 2008:Close Obama adviser (and University of Chicago Law Professor) Cass Sunstein recently [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] for torture, illegal spying, and other crimes.As constitutional expert professor Jonathan Turley wrote in 2008:Close Obama adviser (and University of Chicago Law Professor) Cass Sunstein recently [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The horrible prospect of Supreme Court Justice Cass Sunstein</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/07/21/obama-adviser-cass-sunstein-rejects-prosecution-of-possible-bush-crimes/#comment-163953</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The horrible prospect of Supreme Court Justice Cass Sunstein]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Oct 2010 00:36:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] pledge to filibuster. &#160;The same year, Sunstein provoked widespread anger among progressives by insisting (again)&#160;that investigations and prosecutions of Bush officials would be inappropriate and [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] pledge to filibuster. &#160;The same year, Sunstein provoked widespread anger among progressives by insisting (again)&#160;that investigations and prosecutions of Bush officials would be inappropriate and [...]</p>
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		<title>By: De ‘Torture memo’s’ en wij — NJBlog</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/07/21/obama-adviser-cass-sunstein-rejects-prosecution-of-possible-bush-crimes/#comment-130931</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[De ‘Torture memo’s’ en wij — NJBlog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 May 2010 12:34:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] hier over de opvattingen van Obama&#8217;s adviseur Cass Sunstein over mogelijke vervolging. Zie ook [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] hier over de opvattingen van Obama&#8217;s adviseur Cass Sunstein over mogelijke vervolging. Zie ook [...]</p>
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		<title>By: european commentator</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/07/21/obama-adviser-cass-sunstein-rejects-prosecution-of-possible-bush-crimes/#comment-86538</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[european commentator]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 18:37:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A Harvard College classmate of Cass Sunstein, whom he knew personally very well at Harvard at their Currier House dormitory, where they often ate dinner together, is a political refugee from the US in Belgium, a victim of death threats by friends of George Bush and US federal judges named in court filings as guilty of fraud and extortion and other crimes.

There are legal cases in process in Belgium, regarding the US threats of murder against Cass Sunstein&#039;s classmate, and how the US judges are even ordering the victim&#039;s websites blocked from Google in order to help US agents murder Sunstein&#039;s classmate in Belgium.

Loyal to all corruption of the US government and Bush&#039;s friends, Cass Sunstein is refusing to answer questions from journalists about the case, and refusing to respond to any communications from his Harvard College classmate either.

Details here - with links to other articles, see especially, &#039;Two EU Writers Under Threat of Murder&#039;:

http://about-les-sachs.angelfire.com/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A Harvard College classmate of Cass Sunstein, whom he knew personally very well at Harvard at their Currier House dormitory, where they often ate dinner together, is a political refugee from the US in Belgium, a victim of death threats by friends of George Bush and US federal judges named in court filings as guilty of fraud and extortion and other crimes.</p>
<p>There are legal cases in process in Belgium, regarding the US threats of murder against Cass Sunstein&#8217;s classmate, and how the US judges are even ordering the victim&#8217;s websites blocked from Google in order to help US agents murder Sunstein&#8217;s classmate in Belgium.</p>
<p>Loyal to all corruption of the US government and Bush&#8217;s friends, Cass Sunstein is refusing to answer questions from journalists about the case, and refusing to respond to any communications from his Harvard College classmate either.</p>
<p>Details here &#8211; with links to other articles, see especially, &#8216;Two EU Writers Under Threat of Murder&#8217;:</p>
<p><a href="http://about-les-sachs.angelfire.com/" rel="nofollow">http://about-les-sachs.angelfire.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Emptywheel &#187; What Should Obama Do For Us?</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/07/21/obama-adviser-cass-sunstein-rejects-prosecution-of-possible-bush-crimes/#comment-84747</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Emptywheel &#187; What Should Obama Do For Us?]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 14:48:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] right to control their own bodies. And another big chunk are angry about FISA. Cass Sunstein’s comments have angered more than they might guess. If he wants a big victory, he needs all of [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] right to control their own bodies. And another big chunk are angry about FISA. Cass Sunstein’s comments have angered more than they might guess. If he wants a big victory, he needs all of [...]</p>
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		<title>By: JustGetThere</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/07/21/obama-adviser-cass-sunstein-rejects-prosecution-of-possible-bush-crimes/#comment-67275</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JustGetThere]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 10:58:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;strong&gt;The Apocalypse for Dummies....&lt;/strong&gt;

What can you do besides shake your head and give a rueful laugh at the irony of a high end mole in a Karl Marx suit appointing so many ‘Czars’? What can you do except stare in bug-eyed wonder at the overwhelming number of members of The Tribe who take...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>The Apocalypse for Dummies&#8230;.</strong></p>
<p>What can you do besides shake your head and give a rueful laugh at the irony of a high end mole in a Karl Marx suit appointing so many ‘Czars’? What can you do except stare in bug-eyed wonder at the overwhelming number of members of The Tribe who take&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: The Apocalypse for Dummies. &#171; Smoking Mirrors</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/07/21/obama-adviser-cass-sunstein-rejects-prosecution-of-possible-bush-crimes/#comment-67271</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Apocalypse for Dummies. &#171; Smoking Mirrors]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 10:39:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] so many ‘Czars’? What can you do except stare in bug-eyed wonder at the overwhelming number of members of The Tribe who take the party line to protect the status quo so that their jumped up little nation of [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] so many ‘Czars’? What can you do except stare in bug-eyed wonder at the overwhelming number of members of The Tribe who take the party line to protect the status quo so that their jumped up little nation of [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Obama sanctions Bush&#8217;s war crimes &#171; Sic Semper Tyrannis</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/07/21/obama-adviser-cass-sunstein-rejects-prosecution-of-possible-bush-crimes/#comment-64317</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Obama sanctions Bush&#8217;s war crimes &#171; Sic Semper Tyrannis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 22:04:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] is disappointing to hear that the Obama Administration was refusing to prosecute those involved, and we are told to just “move on” and ignore the crimes of our government. Obama is supposedly [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] is disappointing to hear that the Obama Administration was refusing to prosecute those involved, and we are told to just “move on” and ignore the crimes of our government. Obama is supposedly [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The Progressive Mind &#187; Bush’s Torturers by Justin Raimondo &#8212; Antiwar.com</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/07/21/obama-adviser-cass-sunstein-rejects-prosecution-of-possible-bush-crimes/#comment-48411</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Progressive Mind &#187; Bush’s Torturers by Justin Raimondo &#8212; Antiwar.com]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 19:04:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] last is key to understanding one good reason why no one is being prosecuted, and why the top Obamaites (although not their rank-and-file followers) are generously declaring it’s time to &#8220;move [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] last is key to understanding one good reason why no one is being prosecuted, and why the top Obamaites (although not their rank-and-file followers) are generously declaring it’s time to &#8220;move [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Bush&#8217;s Torturers by Justin Raimondo -- Antiwar.com</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/07/21/obama-adviser-cass-sunstein-rejects-prosecution-of-possible-bush-crimes/#comment-48365</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bush&#8217;s Torturers by Justin Raimondo -- Antiwar.com]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 04:01:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] last is key to understanding one good reason why no one is being prosecuted, and why the top Obamaites (although not their rank-and-file followers) are generously declaring it&#8217;s time to &quot;move [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] last is key to understanding one good reason why no one is being prosecuted, and why the top Obamaites (although not their rank-and-file followers) are generously declaring it&#8217;s time to &quot;move [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Usereason</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/07/21/obama-adviser-cass-sunstein-rejects-prosecution-of-possible-bush-crimes/#comment-39657</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Usereason]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 00:38:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The agonizing dilemma we constantly have to confront is that those people who gravitate toward the centers of power in any society are precisely the people to whom we should never delegate power. I&#039;m a senior who has gone through life pondering this problem and have yet to come up with a workable solution to what seems to be an eternal curse.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The agonizing dilemma we constantly have to confront is that those people who gravitate toward the centers of power in any society are precisely the people to whom we should never delegate power. I&#8217;m a senior who has gone through life pondering this problem and have yet to come up with a workable solution to what seems to be an eternal curse.</p>
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		<title>By: Punked &#171; Blue Lyon</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/07/21/obama-adviser-cass-sunstein-rejects-prosecution-of-possible-bush-crimes/#comment-34028</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Punked &#171; Blue Lyon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 13:45:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] the same Cass Sunstein rumored to be on Obama&#8217;s short list for SCOTUS, and who doesn&#8217;t think it&#8217;s a good idea to prosecute the Bush administration for their criminal behavior. Jonathan Turley on July 21, 2008: [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the same Cass Sunstein rumored to be on Obama&#8217;s short list for SCOTUS, and who doesn&#8217;t think it&#8217;s a good idea to prosecute the Bush administration for their criminal behavior. Jonathan Turley on July 21, 2008: [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jill</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jill]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 21:50:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here&#039;s another one!  From the Electronic Frontier Foundation today:

&quot;San Francisco - On Tuesday, December 2, at 10 a.m., the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) will challenge the constitutionality of a federal law aimed at granting immunity to telecommunications companies participating in illegal domestic surveillance.

At Tuesday&#039;s hearing, EFF will argue that the flawed FISA Amendments Act (FAA) improperly attempts to take away Americans&#039; claims arising out of the First and Fourth Amendments, violates the federal government&#039;s separation of powers as established in the Constitution, and robs innocent telecom customers of their rights without due process of law. Signed by President Bush earlier this year, the FAA allows for the dismissal of the lawsuits over the telecoms&#039; participation in the warrantless surveillance program if the government secretly certifies to the court that the surveillance did not occur, was legal, or was authorized by the president. Attorney General Michael Mukasey filed that classified certification with the court in September and is demanding that the cases be dismissed.

EFF is representing the plaintiffs in Hepting v. AT&amp;T, a class action lawsuit brought on behalf of millions of AT&amp;T customers whose private domestic communications and communications records were illegally handed over to the National Security Agency. EFF has been appointed co-coordinating counsel along with the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) for all 46 outstanding lawsuits concerning the government&#039;s warrantless surveillance program.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s another one!  From the Electronic Frontier Foundation today:</p>
<p>&#8220;San Francisco &#8211; On Tuesday, December 2, at 10 a.m., the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) will challenge the constitutionality of a federal law aimed at granting immunity to telecommunications companies participating in illegal domestic surveillance.</p>
<p>At Tuesday&#8217;s hearing, EFF will argue that the flawed FISA Amendments Act (FAA) improperly attempts to take away Americans&#8217; claims arising out of the First and Fourth Amendments, violates the federal government&#8217;s separation of powers as established in the Constitution, and robs innocent telecom customers of their rights without due process of law. Signed by President Bush earlier this year, the FAA allows for the dismissal of the lawsuits over the telecoms&#8217; participation in the warrantless surveillance program if the government secretly certifies to the court that the surveillance did not occur, was legal, or was authorized by the president. Attorney General Michael Mukasey filed that classified certification with the court in September and is demanding that the cases be dismissed.</p>
<p>EFF is representing the plaintiffs in Hepting v. AT&amp;T, a class action lawsuit brought on behalf of millions of AT&amp;T customers whose private domestic communications and communications records were illegally handed over to the National Security Agency. EFF has been appointed co-coordinating counsel along with the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) for all 46 outstanding lawsuits concerning the government&#8217;s warrantless surveillance program.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: mespo727272</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mespo727272]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 20:03:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sunstein: &quot;Prosecuting government officials risks a “cycle” of criminalizing public service, [Sunstein] argued, and Democrats should avoid replicating retributive efforts like the impeachment of President Clinton — or even the “slight appearance” of it.&quot;Sunstein did add that “egregious crimes should not be ignored....” 

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I think Cass Sunstein must even now be canceling his subscription to the Washington Post following the guest commentary written by a Air Force special ops interrogator with the pseudonym &quot;Matthew Alexander.&quot; According to Alexander, who promoted more successful alternatives to torture in 2006, &quot;[t]orture and abuse cost American lives. I learned in Iraq that the No. 1 reason foreign fighters flocked there to fight were the abuses carried out at Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo. Our policy of torture was directly and swiftly recruiting fighters for al-Qaeda in Iraq. The large majority of suicide bombings in Iraq are still carried out by these foreigners. They are also involved in most of the attacks on U.S. and coalition forces in Iraq. It&#039;s no exaggeration to say that at least half of our losses and casualties in that country have come at the hands of foreigners who joined the fray because of our program of detainee abuse. The number of U.S. soldiers who have died because of our torture policy will never be definitively known, but it is fair to say that it is close to the number of lives lost on Sept. 11, 2001. How anyone can say that torture keeps Americans safe is beyond me -- unless you don&#039;t count American soldiers as Americans.&quot;

I could not have written a better indictment for Bybee, Yoo, Bush et als. than this one.  If Cass Sunstein demands compelling evidence of egregiousness before doing the right thing let him begin here.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sunstein: &#8220;Prosecuting government officials risks a “cycle” of criminalizing public service, [Sunstein] argued, and Democrats should avoid replicating retributive efforts like the impeachment of President Clinton — or even the “slight appearance” of it.&#8221;Sunstein did add that “egregious crimes should not be ignored&#8230;.” </p>
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<p>I think Cass Sunstein must even now be canceling his subscription to the Washington Post following the guest commentary written by a Air Force special ops interrogator with the pseudonym &#8220;Matthew Alexander.&#8221; According to Alexander, who promoted more successful alternatives to torture in 2006, &#8220;[t]orture and abuse cost American lives. I learned in Iraq that the No. 1 reason foreign fighters flocked there to fight were the abuses carried out at Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo. Our policy of torture was directly and swiftly recruiting fighters for al-Qaeda in Iraq. The large majority of suicide bombings in Iraq are still carried out by these foreigners. They are also involved in most of the attacks on U.S. and coalition forces in Iraq. It&#8217;s no exaggeration to say that at least half of our losses and casualties in that country have come at the hands of foreigners who joined the fray because of our program of detainee abuse. The number of U.S. soldiers who have died because of our torture policy will never be definitively known, but it is fair to say that it is close to the number of lives lost on Sept. 11, 2001. How anyone can say that torture keeps Americans safe is beyond me &#8212; unless you don&#8217;t count American soldiers as Americans.&#8221;</p>
<p>I could not have written a better indictment for Bybee, Yoo, Bush et als. than this one.  If Cass Sunstein demands compelling evidence of egregiousness before doing the right thing let him begin here.</p>
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		<title>By: Speculation Builds that Guantanamo Bay Prison Will Be Closed While Obama Advisers Start to Lower Expectations on Investigations &#171; JONATHAN TURLEY</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Speculation Builds that Guantanamo Bay Prison Will Be Closed While Obama Advisers Start to Lower Expectations on Investigations &#171; JONATHAN TURLEY]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 18:55:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] abuses and torture under President Bush &#8212; a position previously voiced by close Obama adviser Professor Cass Sunstein during the campaign. I will be discussing the issue tonight on [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: mespo727272</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/07/21/obama-adviser-cass-sunstein-rejects-prosecution-of-possible-bush-crimes/#comment-25088</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 00:02:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Andrew Wang:

You&#039;re about 8 years too late with that statement.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew Wang:</p>
<p>You&#8217;re about 8 years too late with that statement.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Wang</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/07/21/obama-adviser-cass-sunstein-rejects-prosecution-of-possible-bush-crimes/#comment-25085</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andrew Wang]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 23:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bush is the worst president in American history. Bush facilitated the 9/11 attacks. Subsequently, Bush lied to Congress and the American people relative to the reasons for invading Iraq. Bush purposefully misled Congress and the American people. Then, Bush murdered more than 4,000 United States service members. And Bush wounded more than 30,000 United States service members. In torturing prisoners of war, Bush patently violated the Geneva Convention. Bush unlawfully wiretapped United States citizens. In using “signing statements” to challenge hundreds of laws passed by Congress, Bush violated the Constitution. Bush has ignored global warming. Bush is guilty of criminal negligence relative to the response to Hurricane Katrina. Bush disobeys our democratic values and Constitution. Bush is a disgrace to the United States.

Bush should be prosecuted for war crimes. 

Submitted by Andrew Yu-Jen Wang
B.S., Summa Cum Laude, 1996
Messiah College, Grantham, PA]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bush is the worst president in American history. Bush facilitated the 9/11 attacks. Subsequently, Bush lied to Congress and the American people relative to the reasons for invading Iraq. Bush purposefully misled Congress and the American people. Then, Bush murdered more than 4,000 United States service members. And Bush wounded more than 30,000 United States service members. In torturing prisoners of war, Bush patently violated the Geneva Convention. Bush unlawfully wiretapped United States citizens. In using “signing statements” to challenge hundreds of laws passed by Congress, Bush violated the Constitution. Bush has ignored global warming. Bush is guilty of criminal negligence relative to the response to Hurricane Katrina. Bush disobeys our democratic values and Constitution. Bush is a disgrace to the United States.</p>
<p>Bush should be prosecuted for war crimes. </p>
<p>Submitted by Andrew Yu-Jen Wang<br />
B.S., Summa Cum Laude, 1996<br />
Messiah College, Grantham, PA</p>
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		<title>By: White House race roundup</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[White House race roundup]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 14:24:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] candidate Alan Grayson)] Some differences of opinion among Obama backers on war crimes trials [Turley (Cass Sunstein flayed for go-slow approach); Kerr @ Volokh (Dahlia Lithwick doesn&#039;t think it has to [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] candidate Alan Grayson)] Some differences of opinion among Obama backers on war crimes trials [Turley (Cass Sunstein flayed for go-slow approach); Kerr @ Volokh (Dahlia Lithwick doesn't think it has to [...]</p>
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		<title>By: paul94611</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[paul94611]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 19:25:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A portion of the legal basis of this discussion appears to revolve around the concept of &quot;scope of employment&quot; and when a government official can be held to legal account for violating this principle.  If every action, legal or not is covered by the color of the official acting within the scope of his or her employment then any criminal activity is legitimized if it is engaged in while employed by the government and acting however loosely within the scope of those duties.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A portion of the legal basis of this discussion appears to revolve around the concept of &#8220;scope of employment&#8221; and when a government official can be held to legal account for violating this principle.  If every action, legal or not is covered by the color of the official acting within the scope of his or her employment then any criminal activity is legitimized if it is engaged in while employed by the government and acting however loosely within the scope of those duties.</p>
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		<title>By: Citizen Jefferson</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/07/21/obama-adviser-cass-sunstein-rejects-prosecution-of-possible-bush-crimes/#comment-21499</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Citizen Jefferson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 13:38:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If the Bush crime family is NOT prosecuted, quite simply it will be time for a revolution.  As in armed insurrection.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the Bush crime family is NOT prosecuted, quite simply it will be time for a revolution.  As in armed insurrection.</p>
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		<title>By: Why I'm still a great big fan of Cass Sunstein</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/07/21/obama-adviser-cass-sunstein-rejects-prosecution-of-possible-bush-crimes/#comment-19220</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Why I'm still a great big fan of Cass Sunstein]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 03:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Sunstein, a legal scholar and adviser to Barack Obama, has been attracting a good bit of critical notice mainly from the liberal side of the blogosphere. I&#8217;ve read much of it with interest; [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Sunstein, a legal scholar and adviser to Barack Obama, has been attracting a good bit of critical notice mainly from the liberal side of the blogosphere. I&#8217;ve read much of it with interest; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: zakimar</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/07/21/obama-adviser-cass-sunstein-rejects-prosecution-of-possible-bush-crimes/#comment-18939</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[zakimar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:23:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I do love the universities in the US and who knows, by the time my babies go to university, the US may have changed enough for me to move my family there.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do love the universities in the US and who knows, by the time my babies go to university, the US may have changed enough for me to move my family there.</p>
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		<title>By: Patty C</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/07/21/obama-adviser-cass-sunstein-rejects-prosecution-of-possible-bush-crimes/#comment-18878</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Patty C]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 01:50:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If it makes you feel any better, I often don&#039;t have great first impressions of people I meet, but at LEAST half of them, and their families, become those whom I learn to admire in &#039;unimaginable&#039; ways.

I don&#039;t look at religion or race or gender. 

I look at life - survival.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If it makes you feel any better, I often don&#8217;t have great first impressions of people I meet, but at LEAST half of them, and their families, become those whom I learn to admire in &#8216;unimaginable&#8217; ways.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t look at religion or race or gender. </p>
<p>I look at life &#8211; survival.</p>
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		<title>By: Patty C</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/07/21/obama-adviser-cass-sunstein-rejects-prosecution-of-possible-bush-crimes/#comment-18866</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Patty C]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 00:15:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for sharing that.

I have been trying to post on the DOJ/Goodling subject of tonight&#039;s 
KO appearance which is ue any oment- without success.

I want to talk more about your experiences later!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for sharing that.</p>
<p>I have been trying to post on the DOJ/Goodling subject of tonight&#8217;s<br />
KO appearance which is ue any oment- without success.</p>
<p>I want to talk more about your experiences later!</p>
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		<title>By: zakimar</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/07/21/obama-adviser-cass-sunstein-rejects-prosecution-of-possible-bush-crimes/#comment-18855</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[zakimar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 23:48:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I find that racists hurt their victims but also their children and themselves, so I try to only hate those that are beyond help.  I obviously hate Zionists and other racists, bigots, pedophiles religious zealots and most of all hypocrites.  I used to love America.  I spent about one month per year there on business and vacations.  I was in the US for both the Oklahoma attack and World Trade Center attack.  On both occasions I remember saying to my wife and friends, &quot;I hope Muslims didn&#039;t have anything to do with that&quot;.  I remember reading stories about Muslims being attacked after the Oklahoma bombing and how one Muslim woman miscarried because of the attack on her.  Sadly I was relieved when it was a Christian that was responsible.  Unfortunately, on 11-SEP-01, when I saw the reports after the attack I realized that this would be used as an excuse to kill thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands of Muslims, just as the death of 2280 soldiers and 68 civilians that died at Pearl Harbor somehow justified the nuclear bombing deaths of over 200 000 civilians not to mentions the thousands of miscarried, stillborn and deformed children born afterward.  When I saw the attacks on American Muslims, their homes, businesses and mosques afterward, I promised that I would never come back to the States.  Because if anyone ever attacked my wife, I would find and kill them and if it was my child, they&#039;d be tortured until they begged me to kill them.  That being said, I haven&#039;t been back and after Bush attacked Iraq, I have boycotted ALL US products and will never spend one more cent on American products until there is a Palestine or until the US stops giving Israel billions in money and weapons every year while ignoring the suffering of the Palestinians.

Not wanting to hold the US responsible for the actions of the Government, I was going to move my family to the US in 2005 if Bush wasn&#039;t re-elected.  But when I saw how close it was and that Bush got four more years, I realized that at least half of the voting population supports the murder of innocent people as by late 2004 almost everyone knew that Iraq had nothing to with 9/11.  And when I saw that show 30 Days on TV where a Caucasian, American, Christian man went to a city in Michigan and pretended to be a Muslim for 30 days and I saw how he was treated in 2008, I realized that too many Americans are bigots and I gave up the idea of setting up my business in the US and buying a home there.  

So to answer your question, I still love about 50% of the American people.  Now I&#039;m helping the Canadian economy and will be buying my third property next month.  Ironically the only bigotry I&#039;ve seen here was from (you guessed it) Zionists Jews in Canada.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find that racists hurt their victims but also their children and themselves, so I try to only hate those that are beyond help.  I obviously hate Zionists and other racists, bigots, pedophiles religious zealots and most of all hypocrites.  I used to love America.  I spent about one month per year there on business and vacations.  I was in the US for both the Oklahoma attack and World Trade Center attack.  On both occasions I remember saying to my wife and friends, &#8220;I hope Muslims didn&#8217;t have anything to do with that&#8221;.  I remember reading stories about Muslims being attacked after the Oklahoma bombing and how one Muslim woman miscarried because of the attack on her.  Sadly I was relieved when it was a Christian that was responsible.  Unfortunately, on 11-SEP-01, when I saw the reports after the attack I realized that this would be used as an excuse to kill thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands of Muslims, just as the death of 2280 soldiers and 68 civilians that died at Pearl Harbor somehow justified the nuclear bombing deaths of over 200 000 civilians not to mentions the thousands of miscarried, stillborn and deformed children born afterward.  When I saw the attacks on American Muslims, their homes, businesses and mosques afterward, I promised that I would never come back to the States.  Because if anyone ever attacked my wife, I would find and kill them and if it was my child, they&#8217;d be tortured until they begged me to kill them.  That being said, I haven&#8217;t been back and after Bush attacked Iraq, I have boycotted ALL US products and will never spend one more cent on American products until there is a Palestine or until the US stops giving Israel billions in money and weapons every year while ignoring the suffering of the Palestinians.</p>
<p>Not wanting to hold the US responsible for the actions of the Government, I was going to move my family to the US in 2005 if Bush wasn&#8217;t re-elected.  But when I saw how close it was and that Bush got four more years, I realized that at least half of the voting population supports the murder of innocent people as by late 2004 almost everyone knew that Iraq had nothing to with 9/11.  And when I saw that show 30 Days on TV where a Caucasian, American, Christian man went to a city in Michigan and pretended to be a Muslim for 30 days and I saw how he was treated in 2008, I realized that too many Americans are bigots and I gave up the idea of setting up my business in the US and buying a home there.  </p>
<p>So to answer your question, I still love about 50% of the American people.  Now I&#8217;m helping the Canadian economy and will be buying my third property next month.  Ironically the only bigotry I&#8217;ve seen here was from (you guessed it) Zionists Jews in Canada.</p>
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		<title>By: By The Balls &#171; Grumpy Guy Politics</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/07/21/obama-adviser-cass-sunstein-rejects-prosecution-of-possible-bush-crimes/#comment-18784</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[By The Balls &#171; Grumpy Guy Politics]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 19:25:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] it&#8217;s highly unlikely that you&#8217;ll get it from either potential incoming Administration. Cass Sunstein&#8217;s interview on Democracy Now put an end to any hopes of that, rejecting prosecution for &#8220;non-egregious&#8221; crimes that [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] it&#8217;s highly unlikely that you&#8217;ll get it from either potential incoming Administration. Cass Sunstein&#8217;s interview on Democracy Now put an end to any hopes of that, rejecting prosecution for &#8220;non-egregious&#8221; crimes that [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Patty C</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/07/21/obama-adviser-cass-sunstein-rejects-prosecution-of-possible-bush-crimes/#comment-18781</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Patty C]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 19:10:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We agree on one thing - no person is better than any other...

Stereotypes and generalizations make conversation so interesting, 
don&#039;t you agree?

I note you do not deny &#039;hate&#039; for Americans. 

Do you live in this country? Were you educated here?

What&#039;s your story?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We agree on one thing &#8211; no person is better than any other&#8230;</p>
<p>Stereotypes and generalizations make conversation so interesting,<br />
don&#8217;t you agree?</p>
<p>I note you do not deny &#8216;hate&#8217; for Americans. </p>
<p>Do you live in this country? Were you educated here?</p>
<p>What&#8217;s your story?</p>
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		<title>By: zakimar</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/07/21/obama-adviser-cass-sunstein-rejects-prosecution-of-possible-bush-crimes/#comment-18776</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[zakimar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 18:49:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with what you say, but I think your argument is more complex than it need be.  

The Republicans are bullies and the Democrats are geeks.  Both are cowards, but bullies need someone to stand up to them in order for their cowardice to become apparent and no one has yet stood up to them.  

Even one of the most popular men in the country, Barak Obama is afraid (see his responses to FISA and AIPAC).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with what you say, but I think your argument is more complex than it need be.  </p>
<p>The Republicans are bullies and the Democrats are geeks.  Both are cowards, but bullies need someone to stand up to them in order for their cowardice to become apparent and no one has yet stood up to them.  </p>
<p>Even one of the most popular men in the country, Barak Obama is afraid (see his responses to FISA and AIPAC).</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Good</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dan Good]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 17:05:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[About the Clinton comparison: Clinton was impeached; but his &quot;crime&quot; was not found to be of the nature to be removed from office. Personally, I would agree with the pass given to Clinton. There is a difference between commiting &quot;perjury&quot; (it was entrappment) about a totally personal and embarrassing incident and fabricating evidence that leads to war, torture and secret eavesdropping. Let Bush be impeached and then the Senate and House can decide if his crimes merit being removed from office. At least we will know the standard. As it is there is double standard: one for Democrats, one for Republicans.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About the Clinton comparison: Clinton was impeached; but his &#8220;crime&#8221; was not found to be of the nature to be removed from office. Personally, I would agree with the pass given to Clinton. There is a difference between commiting &#8220;perjury&#8221; (it was entrappment) about a totally personal and embarrassing incident and fabricating evidence that leads to war, torture and secret eavesdropping. Let Bush be impeached and then the Senate and House can decide if his crimes merit being removed from office. At least we will know the standard. As it is there is double standard: one for Democrats, one for Republicans.</p>
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		<title>By: zakimar</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/07/21/obama-adviser-cass-sunstein-rejects-prosecution-of-possible-bush-crimes/#comment-18712</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[zakimar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 14:29:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t know where you get that I hate women.  I LOVE women, especially my wife and baby girls.   Secondly, I DON&#039;T hate Jews.  Jews and Arabs are the same race and are cousins both share one father - Abraham.  What follows is a previous message that I have to keep repeating to people that can&#039;t distinguish between Jews and Zionists (many of whom are CHRISTIANS).

Please do not libel me further.  I have not made ANY &quot;hateful&quot; comments about the &quot;Jewish people&quot;.  I have pointed out the hateful things SOME Jews do and I make no apologies for hating Zionists.  Zionism is Apartheid which is Racism and should be hated by all decent people.  No person is better than any other and should be given special rights in this life or the next solely based on their race. 
 
Unfortunately, some races, religions and groups believe in hate and Zionists belong to this group.  I am not surprised that many Americans and the US Government sees nothing wrong with Zionism because many Americans have no regard for their own indigenous people (that&#039;s Injins to those that don&#039;t know what indigenous is), didn&#039;t oppose Apartheid in South Africa and until a few months ago had Nelson Mandela on their terrorist list for decades.

As for the question of my daughters&#039; partners, I will do my best to raise her properly and since they are intelligent, beautiful, sweet and kind, I trust them to make the right decisions.  As for any rapists, I know that it would be wrong and have me end up in jail AND Hell, but I would kill (preferably slowly and inflicting the most pain possible) that person(s) after having cut of their privates (which is ok under Islamic law).  My daughters are my life and I would do and risk anything for them, even eternal Hell.

Finally, I think most people saw that Hillary AND Bill were closet racists and that&#039;s why Black support of her dropped so quickly.  Remember she was beating Obama among blacks before some of her and her husband&#039;s comments.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know where you get that I hate women.  I LOVE women, especially my wife and baby girls.   Secondly, I DON&#8217;T hate Jews.  Jews and Arabs are the same race and are cousins both share one father &#8211; Abraham.  What follows is a previous message that I have to keep repeating to people that can&#8217;t distinguish between Jews and Zionists (many of whom are CHRISTIANS).</p>
<p>Please do not libel me further.  I have not made ANY &#8220;hateful&#8221; comments about the &#8220;Jewish people&#8221;.  I have pointed out the hateful things SOME Jews do and I make no apologies for hating Zionists.  Zionism is Apartheid which is Racism and should be hated by all decent people.  No person is better than any other and should be given special rights in this life or the next solely based on their race. </p>
<p>Unfortunately, some races, religions and groups believe in hate and Zionists belong to this group.  I am not surprised that many Americans and the US Government sees nothing wrong with Zionism because many Americans have no regard for their own indigenous people (that&#8217;s Injins to those that don&#8217;t know what indigenous is), didn&#8217;t oppose Apartheid in South Africa and until a few months ago had Nelson Mandela on their terrorist list for decades.</p>
<p>As for the question of my daughters&#8217; partners, I will do my best to raise her properly and since they are intelligent, beautiful, sweet and kind, I trust them to make the right decisions.  As for any rapists, I know that it would be wrong and have me end up in jail AND Hell, but I would kill (preferably slowly and inflicting the most pain possible) that person(s) after having cut of their privates (which is ok under Islamic law).  My daughters are my life and I would do and risk anything for them, even eternal Hell.</p>
<p>Finally, I think most people saw that Hillary AND Bill were closet racists and that&#8217;s why Black support of her dropped so quickly.  Remember she was beating Obama among blacks before some of her and her husband&#8217;s comments.</p>
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		<title>By: Patty C</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/07/21/obama-adviser-cass-sunstein-rejects-prosecution-of-possible-bush-crimes/#comment-18616</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Patty C]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 22:02:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I beg to differ you are about as chauvinist as they come.

You hate Americans, Jews, and women. I&#039;ll bet American Jewish women really make your skin crawl.

One hypothetical question for you, how would you handle it if one of your daughters chose to have &#039;premarital&#039; sex with someone she loved?
OR what if, totally against her will, or against your wife&#039;s will, one of them was brutally raped?

BTW, the exact quote(s) etc with which you follow(ed) up - was in response to an AP article.

Despite you have decided, a lot of us filter our own &#039;News&#039;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I beg to differ you are about as chauvinist as they come.</p>
<p>You hate Americans, Jews, and women. I&#8217;ll bet American Jewish women really make your skin crawl.</p>
<p>One hypothetical question for you, how would you handle it if one of your daughters chose to have &#8216;premarital&#8217; sex with someone she loved?<br />
OR what if, totally against her will, or against your wife&#8217;s will, one of them was brutally raped?</p>
<p>BTW, the exact quote(s) etc with which you follow(ed) up &#8211; was in response to an AP article.</p>
<p>Despite you have decided, a lot of us filter our own &#8216;News&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: zakimar</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 20:30:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[On your five points:

I am not a chauvinist and if my daughters grew up to think and talk like Hillary, I would beg God for forgiveness for any part in raising them that way.  Any woman who would stay with and support a man who humiliated her and her daughter like Bill did has no self-respect and certainly doesn&#039;t deserve any respect either.

I never said Bill was running, but when you&#039;re married to a redneck and have him campaigning for you (comparing Obama to Jackson) and don&#039;t refute what is said, you&#039;re a racist too.  First black president indeed.

And her direct quote was: “Senator Obama’s support among working, hard-working Americans, white Americans, is weakening again”. She really is a dirty, racist, redneck, maybe worse than her husband.
 
And let&#039;s not forget about her hoping that Obama would be assassinated before the convention.

Sorry, but the forgetting about me I can&#039;t help you with.  I understand there are drugs for that however.

And thank you for remembering the Palestinian plight; it may make an orphan amputee miss his parents or his limbs a little less.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On your five points:</p>
<p>I am not a chauvinist and if my daughters grew up to think and talk like Hillary, I would beg God for forgiveness for any part in raising them that way.  Any woman who would stay with and support a man who humiliated her and her daughter like Bill did has no self-respect and certainly doesn&#8217;t deserve any respect either.</p>
<p>I never said Bill was running, but when you&#8217;re married to a redneck and have him campaigning for you (comparing Obama to Jackson) and don&#8217;t refute what is said, you&#8217;re a racist too.  First black president indeed.</p>
<p>And her direct quote was: “Senator Obama’s support among working, hard-working Americans, white Americans, is weakening again”. She really is a dirty, racist, redneck, maybe worse than her husband.</p>
<p>And let&#8217;s not forget about her hoping that Obama would be assassinated before the convention.</p>
<p>Sorry, but the forgetting about me I can&#8217;t help you with.  I understand there are drugs for that however.</p>
<p>And thank you for remembering the Palestinian plight; it may make an orphan amputee miss his parents or his limbs a little less.</p>
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		<title>By: Security And Prosperity Partnership</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Security And Prosperity Partnership]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 00:57:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The most wasted day of all is that on which we have not laughed.S%E9bastien-RochNicolasChamfortS?bastien-Roch Nicolas Chamfort, 1740/41-1794]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The most wasted day of all is that on which we have not laughed.S%E9bastien-RochNicolasChamfortS?bastien-Roch Nicolas Chamfort, 1740/41-1794</p>
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		<title>By: Patty C</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Patty C]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 20:16:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I assumed you are a chauvinist and correctly so, apparently.

Bill Clinton wasn&#039;t running. 
 
BTW, she said &#039;hardworking&#039; Americans not &#039;white&#039;.

I haven&#039;t forgotten about the Palestinian plight, my wish is to 
forget about you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I assumed you are a chauvinist and correctly so, apparently.</p>
<p>Bill Clinton wasn&#8217;t running. </p>
<p>BTW, she said &#8216;hardworking&#8217; Americans not &#8216;white&#8217;.</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t forgotten about the Palestinian plight, my wish is to<br />
forget about you.</p>
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		<title>By: zakimar</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[zakimar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 14:06:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Unfortunately, you assumed I was talking about Hillary&#039;s physical appearance so what you say and what you think are two different things.  She is a 60 year old woman and I don&#039;t have the same grandmother issues that you obviously do.  I was referring to the woman that said vote for me or McCain because Obama isn&#039;t qualified and the racist that said good white Americans don&#039;t vote for Obama.  And for Lewinsky, any person that would fornicate with an adulterous, deceitful, old MARRIED man and keep a semen stained dress (to sniff it, lick it, save money on dry cleaning - take your pick), is dirtier than a sow - I was just being polite.  So neither of those two &quot;curvaceous women&quot; is &quot;healthy&quot;.

And you obviously have the soul of a Clinton if you can forget about the suffering of millions of people because of something that any one person says - no matter how much you disagree.  Please keep you false sympathy to yourself; it&#039;s not doing anyone any good.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately, you assumed I was talking about Hillary&#8217;s physical appearance so what you say and what you think are two different things.  She is a 60 year old woman and I don&#8217;t have the same grandmother issues that you obviously do.  I was referring to the woman that said vote for me or McCain because Obama isn&#8217;t qualified and the racist that said good white Americans don&#8217;t vote for Obama.  And for Lewinsky, any person that would fornicate with an adulterous, deceitful, old MARRIED man and keep a semen stained dress (to sniff it, lick it, save money on dry cleaning &#8211; take your pick), is dirtier than a sow &#8211; I was just being polite.  So neither of those two &#8220;curvaceous women&#8221; is &#8220;healthy&#8221;.</p>
<p>And you obviously have the soul of a Clinton if you can forget about the suffering of millions of people because of something that any one person says &#8211; no matter how much you disagree.  Please keep you false sympathy to yourself; it&#8217;s not doing anyone any good.</p>
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		<title>By: Patty C</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Patty C]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 08:38:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am heartbroken and sympathetic to the Palestinian&#039;s plight except when men, like you, from any place say things like  say things like 

&quot;secondly, if I was married to Hillary long enough even an unattractive sow like Lewinsky might do. He probably just closed his eyes and fantasized about the sheep back in Arkansas.&quot;

You are a pig, zakimar - sight unseen. I can smell you from here.

By American standards, both Hillary and Monica are attractive women.
They are not skinny models. Most healthy, curvaceous women aren&#039;t.

To each his own.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am heartbroken and sympathetic to the Palestinian&#8217;s plight except when men, like you, from any place say things like  say things like </p>
<p>&#8220;secondly, if I was married to Hillary long enough even an unattractive sow like Lewinsky might do. He probably just closed his eyes and fantasized about the sheep back in Arkansas.&#8221;</p>
<p>You are a pig, zakimar &#8211; sight unseen. I can smell you from here.</p>
<p>By American standards, both Hillary and Monica are attractive women.<br />
They are not skinny models. Most healthy, curvaceous women aren&#8217;t.</p>
<p>To each his own.</p>
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		<title>By: zakimar</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[zakimar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 06:59:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Equating Clinton&#039;s perjury with Bush&#039;s crimes is ludicrous.  The impeachment fiasco was an obvious waste of time.  Two points though: first at least Clinton was having sex with a consenting female and not a male congressional aide or an undercover, male cop in a washroom; and secondly, if I was married to Hillary long enough even an unattractive sow like Lewinsky might do.  He probably just closed his eyes and fantasized about the sheep back in Arkansas.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Equating Clinton&#8217;s perjury with Bush&#8217;s crimes is ludicrous.  The impeachment fiasco was an obvious waste of time.  Two points though: first at least Clinton was having sex with a consenting female and not a male congressional aide or an undercover, male cop in a washroom; and secondly, if I was married to Hillary long enough even an unattractive sow like Lewinsky might do.  He probably just closed his eyes and fantasized about the sheep back in Arkansas.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Keenan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Keenan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 21:38:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Constitution Proceeds My Being - My Response to Cass R. Sunstein

Jerry Voorhis, whom Nixon defeated in our local congressional race, on review of the call for Nixon&#039;s impeachment said that Watergate was just &quot;the tip of the iceberg&quot; and that Nixon should have been impeached when he announced that he would ignore the so-called &quot;Mansfield Amendment.&quot; To wit:

          &quot; Unless Congress has the statesmanship, the courage and the respect for its prerogatives to impeach Richard Nixon, the consequences for the future of constitutional government, as well as honest government, will be bleak indeed. It will furthermore be almost as serious a mistake for the Congress to impeach Mr. Nixon for technical reasons only as for it not to impeach him at all.&quot;

And further that the most important basis for impeachment was the:

           &quot;usurpation by Mr. Nixon of legislative powers that belong exclusively to the Congress under the Constitution.&quot;

My report as it comes from Nixon’s old congressional district and as God is my Fuhrer believe that: We are in a state of constitutional crisis. For Rumsfeld to lobby on intelligence reform and now have military acts off the books means that the “linchpin” of the constitution, the taxing and spending powers of Congress, of raising standing armies, has now been violated. My Congressman David Dreier now has no way to effect neither my Liberty nor my Republic. You do not appear to be interested either Mr Sunstein.


Our constitution was specifically designed to avoid this combination of the President’s office with the Defense Department; that the King shall not have his own standing army to send willy-nilly to wherever he thinks he has the pleasure too. The appointment of a sitting General to an executive position - the CIA - only consolidates this dangerous process that is under play.


The basis for this power grab, the claim of inherent power of the president, has already been settled under Nixon’s attempt during the so-called Vietnam War. As Nixon’s assistant attorney general Rehnquist made the argument of inherent power to wiretap the White Panther Party without a warrant – during a war. This power, which was claimed to be held, under the President’s Oath of Office, was rejected by the Supreme Court in a unanimous decision against suspending all or parts of the Constitution. Because this was Rehnquist’s argument as assistant attorney general he had to recuse himself from his very first decision after being appointed to the Supreme Court and rightly so. And guess what? America was still standing in the morning after this and Nixon’s resignation avoiding his impeachment. This is in spite of a average of 6 bombings a day, 86 killed policemen, and a record 33,604 thousand injuries between the fall of 1969 and spring of 1970 by our own citizens protesting over the illegal invasion of Cambodia. Not to mention the response and statistics to the the duration of the Vietnam war.


That is why I can never believe McCain and the neo-cons or Alitos et al., claims to absolute presidential power as Commander-and-Chief even during war. Was not Nixon’s claim during a war? And did not the Supreme Court rule absolutely not? It is the same Oath of Office is it not? Unfortunately, old Rehnquist(and now McCain), conveniently ignored this when he reviewed his history of the power of the President during war. He brings up WWI and WWII in this review. But, for some reason, he completely skips how his “inherent” argument on presidential power was slapped down by the Supreme Court during the undeclared, illegal and immoral so-called Vietnam War. This is bald face intellectual dishonesty, if not outright historical revisionism, that completely belies the important decision on the necessity of War - not to mention the young lives thrown willy-nilly into harm’s way.


This missing history is more reason why I completely reject Bushes, and now McCain’s, medieval thesis that constitutional government is too weak to survive in a difficult world and that we should defer to a sole sovereign power since 9/11. It is a FALSE claim of sovereignty! In all we have become weaker since taking on this post 9/11 repeat of Rehnquist’s “in terrorem” position. (I would like to read his memo on the subject of presidential power and the invasion of Cambodia but alas that memo has disappeared, nowhere to be found on the Internet. The persuasive force of his ideas no longer count I can only suppose).


I only fear that if our new Supreme Court Justices Roberts and Alito accept and reverse on appeal the 2-1 Fourth Circuit ruling in Al-Marri v. Wright and take what was a tragedy we survived and turn a repeated claim of 17th century inherent power into a farce that destroys the sheet anchor of our Republic - our precious Constitution – along with the Bill of Rights. I would rather throw Bush, McCain and you overboard Mr. Cass R. Sunstein than our Fundamental Constitutional Rights. You are so far out of your league on the history do Obama a favor and bow out.

Where is your statesmanship, your honor and your respect? Your bleak report is a FARCE!

I am Citizen Michael John Keenan. Live Free or Die!


P.S. Rehnquists memo is now posted at the DOD.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Constitution Proceeds My Being &#8211; My Response to Cass R. Sunstein</p>
<p>Jerry Voorhis, whom Nixon defeated in our local congressional race, on review of the call for Nixon&#8217;s impeachment said that Watergate was just &#8220;the tip of the iceberg&#8221; and that Nixon should have been impeached when he announced that he would ignore the so-called &#8220;Mansfield Amendment.&#8221; To wit:</p>
<p>          &#8221; Unless Congress has the statesmanship, the courage and the respect for its prerogatives to impeach Richard Nixon, the consequences for the future of constitutional government, as well as honest government, will be bleak indeed. It will furthermore be almost as serious a mistake for the Congress to impeach Mr. Nixon for technical reasons only as for it not to impeach him at all.&#8221;</p>
<p>And further that the most important basis for impeachment was the:</p>
<p>           &#8220;usurpation by Mr. Nixon of legislative powers that belong exclusively to the Congress under the Constitution.&#8221;</p>
<p>My report as it comes from Nixon’s old congressional district and as God is my Fuhrer believe that: We are in a state of constitutional crisis. For Rumsfeld to lobby on intelligence reform and now have military acts off the books means that the “linchpin” of the constitution, the taxing and spending powers of Congress, of raising standing armies, has now been violated. My Congressman David Dreier now has no way to effect neither my Liberty nor my Republic. You do not appear to be interested either Mr Sunstein.</p>
<p>Our constitution was specifically designed to avoid this combination of the President’s office with the Defense Department; that the King shall not have his own standing army to send willy-nilly to wherever he thinks he has the pleasure too. The appointment of a sitting General to an executive position &#8211; the CIA &#8211; only consolidates this dangerous process that is under play.</p>
<p>The basis for this power grab, the claim of inherent power of the president, has already been settled under Nixon’s attempt during the so-called Vietnam War. As Nixon’s assistant attorney general Rehnquist made the argument of inherent power to wiretap the White Panther Party without a warrant – during a war. This power, which was claimed to be held, under the President’s Oath of Office, was rejected by the Supreme Court in a unanimous decision against suspending all or parts of the Constitution. Because this was Rehnquist’s argument as assistant attorney general he had to recuse himself from his very first decision after being appointed to the Supreme Court and rightly so. And guess what? America was still standing in the morning after this and Nixon’s resignation avoiding his impeachment. This is in spite of a average of 6 bombings a day, 86 killed policemen, and a record 33,604 thousand injuries between the fall of 1969 and spring of 1970 by our own citizens protesting over the illegal invasion of Cambodia. Not to mention the response and statistics to the the duration of the Vietnam war.</p>
<p>That is why I can never believe McCain and the neo-cons or Alitos et al., claims to absolute presidential power as Commander-and-Chief even during war. Was not Nixon’s claim during a war? And did not the Supreme Court rule absolutely not? It is the same Oath of Office is it not? Unfortunately, old Rehnquist(and now McCain), conveniently ignored this when he reviewed his history of the power of the President during war. He brings up WWI and WWII in this review. But, for some reason, he completely skips how his “inherent” argument on presidential power was slapped down by the Supreme Court during the undeclared, illegal and immoral so-called Vietnam War. This is bald face intellectual dishonesty, if not outright historical revisionism, that completely belies the important decision on the necessity of War &#8211; not to mention the young lives thrown willy-nilly into harm’s way.</p>
<p>This missing history is more reason why I completely reject Bushes, and now McCain’s, medieval thesis that constitutional government is too weak to survive in a difficult world and that we should defer to a sole sovereign power since 9/11. It is a FALSE claim of sovereignty! In all we have become weaker since taking on this post 9/11 repeat of Rehnquist’s “in terrorem” position. (I would like to read his memo on the subject of presidential power and the invasion of Cambodia but alas that memo has disappeared, nowhere to be found on the Internet. The persuasive force of his ideas no longer count I can only suppose).</p>
<p>I only fear that if our new Supreme Court Justices Roberts and Alito accept and reverse on appeal the 2-1 Fourth Circuit ruling in Al-Marri v. Wright and take what was a tragedy we survived and turn a repeated claim of 17th century inherent power into a farce that destroys the sheet anchor of our Republic &#8211; our precious Constitution – along with the Bill of Rights. I would rather throw Bush, McCain and you overboard Mr. Cass R. Sunstein than our Fundamental Constitutional Rights. You are so far out of your league on the history do Obama a favor and bow out.</p>
<p>Where is your statesmanship, your honor and your respect? Your bleak report is a FARCE!</p>
<p>I am Citizen Michael John Keenan. Live Free or Die!</p>
<p>P.S. Rehnquists memo is now posted at the DOD.</p>
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		<title>By: wigwam</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[wigwam]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 19:21:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is the perpetrators of crime who criminalize.  We bring them to justice to deter further criminalization.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is the perpetrators of crime who criminalize.  We bring them to justice to deter further criminalization.</p>
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		<title>By: Hillary Democrats United &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Campaign Updates for 7/23/08</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 22:28:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Obama Adviser Cass Sunstein Rejects Prosecution of “Non-Egregious” Bush Crimes (by Jonathan Turley) With many Democrats still fuming over the refusal of Democratic leaders like Speaker Nancy Pelosi to allow even impeachment hearings into detailed allegations of crimes by President Bush in office, close Obama adviser (and University of Chicago Law Professor) Cass Sunstein recently rejected the notion of prosecuting Bush officials for crimes such as torture and unlawful surveillance… The exchange with Sunstein was detailed by The Nation’s Ari Melber. Melber wrote that Sunstein rejected any such prosecution: “Prosecuting government officials risks a ‘cycle’ of criminalizing public service, [Sunstein] argued, and Democrats should avoid replicating retributive efforts like the impeachment of President Clinton — or even the ‘slight appearance’ of it.” [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Obama Adviser Cass Sunstein Rejects Prosecution of “Non-Egregious” Bush Crimes (by Jonathan Turley) With many Democrats still fuming over the refusal of Democratic leaders like Speaker Nancy Pelosi to allow even impeachment hearings into detailed allegations of crimes by President Bush in office, close Obama adviser (and University of Chicago Law Professor) Cass Sunstein recently rejected the notion of prosecuting Bush officials for crimes such as torture and unlawful surveillance… The exchange with Sunstein was detailed by The Nation’s Ari Melber. Melber wrote that Sunstein rejected any such prosecution: “Prosecuting government officials risks a ‘cycle’ of criminalizing public service, [Sunstein] argued, and Democrats should avoid replicating retributive efforts like the impeachment of President Clinton — or even the ‘slight appearance’ of it.” [...]</p>
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		<title>By: RW Nemanich</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[RW Nemanich]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 19:59:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Spindell...I too am beginning the return of that bad memory of Nixonland....and what has come out of the first 100 pages is when we elect a psychopath (AKA Bush/Cheney) it does deep damage to a society for a generation or longer. 

That said Prof Turley you are correct, any crime committed by a government official/entity is an egregious crime by definition since by its inherent nature is two crimes simultaneously: the underlying offense and then the abuse of power where the office/entity&#039;s power was used in the commission of the crime. Often there is a third level of the crime where there is the cover up better defined as obstruction of justice. 

The problem is the entire logic is upside down. First any and all government officials are sworn in to uphold and protect the Constitution and the Laws of the Land, and if there is a commission or allegation of a crime the duty and requirement to investigate. 

The succeeding investigation should lead to its eventual conclusion---meaning the determination whether a crime or crimes were committed and then whether there is a cause beyond a reasonable doubt to prosecute. 

Obama and his advisor, Sustein has already short circuited that process---meaning that they are then sustaining or establishing precedence for future Administrations that they can commit crimes and not be prosecuted for them. 

If however it is stated that if investigations will ensue if there is cause and prosecutions will be made if there is evidence than future Administrations know they could be held criminally liable. 


That all said Prof Turley it is my projected opinion that this is merely the first step on the road. I am of opinion that I think the International Community will hold Obama&#039;s (or McCain&#039;s)and the US&#039;s feet to the fire by opening a tribunal of war crimes against the Bush Administration. Eventually if the US does not hold their own leader accountable the Hague will and the US will be faced with a serious nationalistic question of whether to give up their former executive officers or not. My personal guess is that Bush and Cheney families will have relocated to Dubai to seek asylum. This will be a high price for America to pay if we don&#039;t take care of our own law.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spindell&#8230;I too am beginning the return of that bad memory of Nixonland&#8230;.and what has come out of the first 100 pages is when we elect a psychopath (AKA Bush/Cheney) it does deep damage to a society for a generation or longer. </p>
<p>That said Prof Turley you are correct, any crime committed by a government official/entity is an egregious crime by definition since by its inherent nature is two crimes simultaneously: the underlying offense and then the abuse of power where the office/entity&#8217;s power was used in the commission of the crime. Often there is a third level of the crime where there is the cover up better defined as obstruction of justice. </p>
<p>The problem is the entire logic is upside down. First any and all government officials are sworn in to uphold and protect the Constitution and the Laws of the Land, and if there is a commission or allegation of a crime the duty and requirement to investigate. </p>
<p>The succeeding investigation should lead to its eventual conclusion&#8212;meaning the determination whether a crime or crimes were committed and then whether there is a cause beyond a reasonable doubt to prosecute. </p>
<p>Obama and his advisor, Sustein has already short circuited that process&#8212;meaning that they are then sustaining or establishing precedence for future Administrations that they can commit crimes and not be prosecuted for them. </p>
<p>If however it is stated that if investigations will ensue if there is cause and prosecutions will be made if there is evidence than future Administrations know they could be held criminally liable. </p>
<p>That all said Prof Turley it is my projected opinion that this is merely the first step on the road. I am of opinion that I think the International Community will hold Obama&#8217;s (or McCain&#8217;s)and the US&#8217;s feet to the fire by opening a tribunal of war crimes against the Bush Administration. Eventually if the US does not hold their own leader accountable the Hague will and the US will be faced with a serious nationalistic question of whether to give up their former executive officers or not. My personal guess is that Bush and Cheney families will have relocated to Dubai to seek asylum. This will be a high price for America to pay if we don&#8217;t take care of our own law.</p>
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		<title>By: Jill</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 19:58:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Michael,

I can&#039;t agree with you.  Obama voted for extralegal powers to apply to cheneybush and if he&#039;s president, himself.  I do not see anything in Obama&#039;s past that would lead me to believe he will get elected and disavow those powers.  Quite the opposite.  

I said this before but I think the left wants their own strongman to come in and make everything right again.  People are really desperate.  That makes us vunerable to loss of critical thought and real evaluation of events.  Many facists are on and have been on, the left.  The idea of a strongman is deep in our conscience.  We think that is only for other countries or people on the right, but we think that at our peril.  

Glad you&#039;re back!

Jill]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael,</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t agree with you.  Obama voted for extralegal powers to apply to cheneybush and if he&#8217;s president, himself.  I do not see anything in Obama&#8217;s past that would lead me to believe he will get elected and disavow those powers.  Quite the opposite.  </p>
<p>I said this before but I think the left wants their own strongman to come in and make everything right again.  People are really desperate.  That makes us vunerable to loss of critical thought and real evaluation of events.  Many facists are on and have been on, the left.  The idea of a strongman is deep in our conscience.  We think that is only for other countries or people on the right, but we think that at our peril.  </p>
<p>Glad you&#8217;re back!</p>
<p>Jill</p>
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		<title>By: Gyges</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 19:56:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;d just like to point out the whole &quot;non-egregious&quot; addition is just another example of my favorite logical fallacy.

No Non-egregious Scotsman puts cream on their oats.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d just like to point out the whole &#8220;non-egregious&#8221; addition is just another example of my favorite logical fallacy.</p>
<p>No Non-egregious Scotsman puts cream on their oats.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Spindell</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Spindell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 19:45:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Pithy discussion with excellent points back and forth, on a disagreeable topic. I personally would have wanted Obama to take a different position on FISA and other things, but the guy is doing what he perceives is needed for him to get elected. To me his election takes priority over his positions because it is apparent that McCain would continue to gut the Constitution and make our country: One Nation Under Corporate Governance. 

I am not a big fan of fascism, but that is where the current conservative philosophy inexorably leads. This cycle of conservative dominance needs to be broken or we all will lose. If one reads their founding philospohers (yes I&#039;m aware the sentiments pre-date them) Bill Rusher and Bill Buckley, the conclusion is that they anathematize democracy and are comfortable with the rule of plutocracy. Not being a plutocrat myself, this disturbs me and engenders fear for my progeny. 

What many on the left and in the center miss is that these people may have the manners of gentlemen, but they have the souls of criminals. They play games of ego and power, while we on the left argue over issues. I don&#039;t want to see their tactics followed in an ascent to power, that path corrupts. I appreciate the intelligence with which Obama has crafted his campaign and understand the need for him to do it this way. Sunstein, hopefully is just following the campaign line.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pithy discussion with excellent points back and forth, on a disagreeable topic. I personally would have wanted Obama to take a different position on FISA and other things, but the guy is doing what he perceives is needed for him to get elected. To me his election takes priority over his positions because it is apparent that McCain would continue to gut the Constitution and make our country: One Nation Under Corporate Governance. </p>
<p>I am not a big fan of fascism, but that is where the current conservative philosophy inexorably leads. This cycle of conservative dominance needs to be broken or we all will lose. If one reads their founding philospohers (yes I&#8217;m aware the sentiments pre-date them) Bill Rusher and Bill Buckley, the conclusion is that they anathematize democracy and are comfortable with the rule of plutocracy. Not being a plutocrat myself, this disturbs me and engenders fear for my progeny. </p>
<p>What many on the left and in the center miss is that these people may have the manners of gentlemen, but they have the souls of criminals. They play games of ego and power, while we on the left argue over issues. I don&#8217;t want to see their tactics followed in an ascent to power, that path corrupts. I appreciate the intelligence with which Obama has crafted his campaign and understand the need for him to do it this way. Sunstein, hopefully is just following the campaign line.</p>
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		<title>By: Jill</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 19:44:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh, you mean those trifles?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, you mean those trifles?</p>
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		<title>By: Rutabaga</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 19:28:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Suppose we buy into the &quot;egregious&quot; criterion.  What does Sunstein consider &quot;egregious&quot;, and how can there be an investigation to determine whether crimes are egregious?

What about:  Appointing toadies as U.S. attorneys to prosecute Democratic politicians selectively, while sabotaging or slow-walking investigations into corruption by leading Republicans?  Framing Democratic politicians, prosecuting them, and putting them in jail?  Ignoring Congressional subpoenas for information on these subjects?  &quot;Losing&quot; millions of relevant emails, or illegally forwarding them through other email addresses?

What about:  Implementing a system of kidnapping people off the street and transporting them to be tortured for months or years, sometimes to death?

What about:  Illegally establishing a police state?

And, of course:  Manufacturing bogus evidence to attack another country, causing hundreds of thousands of deaths and millions displaced from their homes?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Suppose we buy into the &#8220;egregious&#8221; criterion.  What does Sunstein consider &#8220;egregious&#8221;, and how can there be an investigation to determine whether crimes are egregious?</p>
<p>What about:  Appointing toadies as U.S. attorneys to prosecute Democratic politicians selectively, while sabotaging or slow-walking investigations into corruption by leading Republicans?  Framing Democratic politicians, prosecuting them, and putting them in jail?  Ignoring Congressional subpoenas for information on these subjects?  &#8220;Losing&#8221; millions of relevant emails, or illegally forwarding them through other email addresses?</p>
<p>What about:  Implementing a system of kidnapping people off the street and transporting them to be tortured for months or years, sometimes to death?</p>
<p>What about:  Illegally establishing a police state?</p>
<p>And, of course:  Manufacturing bogus evidence to attack another country, causing hundreds of thousands of deaths and millions displaced from their homes?</p>
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		<title>By: rafflaw</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 19:02:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Rich Key,
I agree with you that the Obama vote on FISA was a mistake.  I also agree that the telcoms are getting away with serious crimes as is Bush.  We can only hope thet Obama steps up to the plate after the election.  We must keep the pressure up on Obama and his advisors to hold Bush and his regime accountable for their criminal actions.  Large and Small.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rich Key,<br />
I agree with you that the Obama vote on FISA was a mistake.  I also agree that the telcoms are getting away with serious crimes as is Bush.  We can only hope thet Obama steps up to the plate after the election.  We must keep the pressure up on Obama and his advisors to hold Bush and his regime accountable for their criminal actions.  Large and Small.</p>
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