Comments on: San Diego Police Rescue and Then Shoot and Kill Man Who Fell From Gay Pride Cruise

By: Gyges

Gyges — Mon, 28 Jul 2008 23:12:58 +0000

Deplume,

How is asking questions about the circumstances of a shooting a rant? I could see if they were rhetorical and part of a larger post. Also your post is the first time the words Hate Crime are used, mine is the second. If you’re here to make posts about how we all assume things based on our left wing bias, your point would be better made if you didn’t assume things based on your own.

By: nom deplume

nom deplume — Mon, 28 Jul 2008 22:46:21 +0000

Rafflaw won’t let the facts get in the way of a good rant.

Personally, I don’t think it suicide by cop either. He was simply drunk and belligerent (or is it only straight, conservative white men that get belligerent, raff?). Once he did something stupid (which is unfortunately not unprecedented), and threatened the cops with imminent danger, they could respond.

Besides, if it is a hate crime as Raff is suggesting, how were they to know? Waiting on an answer for that one Raff.

By: mespo727272

mespo727272 — Tue, 22 Jul 2008 03:50:50 +0000

A little update from the San Diego Union Tribune. It appears the late Mr. Hirschfield was an exotic dancer employed to entertain the passengers. Acting pensively and after ordering an alcoholic drink, he climbed over the rail and plunged into the sea. Curious are these words from the article:

“Harbor Police said the ship called to report of a man overboard at 11:10 p.m. A small rescue boat from the ship was sent to help Hirschfield, but he wouldn’t climb aboard.”

There appear to be witnesses to the scuffle and eventual shooting. This looks to me like a case of suicide by cop, and I think the officers, both veterans, will likely be exonerated given the bizarre nature of the circumstances and the decedent’s apparent death wish.

Here’s the article:

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/metro/20080721-1907-bn21steven.html

By: rafflaw

rafflaw — Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:18:17 +0000

This is a bizarre story. With just the policemen in the boat, will we ever get all of the facts surrounding the need to shoot this individual? Where was the other officer(s) that were in the rescue boat and why were they unable to assist in controlling this indivudual without the use of deadly force? Too many questionsa and not enough answers.