its in thier bible i hear … the jews were ordered to kill all palestinians men women and even sucklings and animals … (I Samuel 15:2-3)

they were also told to kill all women who had known men intimately and to take for themselves all virginns … how did they know who were the virgins ?
only by raping them in front of thier decapacitated fathers and brothers …. (Numbers 31:16-18),Isaiah 13:15-16)

sic batards ….

Even Bush didn’t whine about the Pentagon,

Yea, guess we do know “who’s who”.

BTW, I listed a dozen points in my last entry and purposely stuck the “Pentagon” one in the middle to see who can make an informed opinion, and who just like to see themselves in print. I guess we know who’s who.

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zakimar
1, July 23, 2008 at 10:47 am

the Pentagon was right on

Once more, please check one of the above.

And with regards to the latter statement, the Pentagon attack, was the wanton murder of hundreds of innocent people, including civilians.

What was “right on” unfortunately for us all, was your fathers seed.

I firmly believe in non-violence,

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zakimar
1, July 23, 2008 at 10:47 am

I’d join the army and fight

Please check one of the above.

where do you think the USA is headed?

…hmmm..gee.. I dunno… whats your address?

The World Trade Center should have been Congress but the Pentagon was right on

Well, maybe next time you guys will have better luck.

Also, in response, to the senseless killing of 3 000 innocent Americans on 11-SEP-01, the US has willfully killed over 4 000 American soldiers needlessly (not to mention another 4 000 “coalition” soldiers and tens of thousands of Iraqis. So apparently killing some Americans leads to the killing of even more Americans. And any intelligent person can see that Bin Laden’s goal is not to destroy America from the outside, but to have America destroyed from with – three trillion dollars ($3 000 000 000 000) wasted in a few years and not enough money for shelter in New Orleans, healthcare for 50 million of the 3 HUNDRED million Americans or school lunches for hungry children.

Also, the fact that the same morons who thought invading Iraq was a good idea are still employed and talking about doing the same to Iran AND are getting serious consideration (one was re-elected President, one is running for President, one is President of News Corp/Fox and countless others still work for the “think tanks” and television stations).

Now, I firmly believe in non-violence, but if any country ever decided to invade mine and it was a relatively even fight e.g. China/US or Venezuela/Colombia, or France/Britain etc. I’d join the army and fight but if it was totally one-sided like US/Iraq, I’d take the fight to the US or whoever was the vastly more powerful aggressor. And if God forbid some other country ever invaded mine and bombed my house and killed my babies, non-violence would disappear faster than the US Constitution under Bush and I would go to that country and try to “get” as many of the politicians as possible. The World Trade Center should have been Congress but the Pentagon was right on.

That being said, I have chosen to fight the Bush administration in an extremely non-violent manner. I stopped buying ALL made in USA goods or going there on vacation (approx. $15 000 per year), I sold my two American cars and bought one made in Germany and one made in Japan and that house I was going to buy in the US is on hold until the US stops supporting Israeli terror with $3 000 000 000 per year and Palestine is a free country once again.

BTW, I used to love the US and spent about four weeks per month there on business and vacation and was going to move my family there in 2005 if Bush wasn’t re-elected. Also, where is Rome now and where do you think the USA is headed?

I wonder what the average American would do if they were invaded by 1.5 million soldiers and had millions of tons of bombs and missiles dropped on them

Well, since there are about 4 HUNDRED million of us, and about a 3rd of them armed to the teeth, I’d say the 1.5 million soldiers might be the ones appealing to the UN for assistance.

As for the bombs, the United States has hands down the worlds best and most effective air force in the world, and considering half of its here in the US, I’d say those planes entering our airspace to drop the bombs might likewise wish they had consulted the UN first.

Now, that being said, I understand your point. I understand that how you as an outsider sees the US. Hell half of us see it that way too. We’re the ones spreading the terror right now, and leaving the dead scattered across the four corners.

Clearly this was the Roman response. Kill one American, we kill a thousand of yours. And clearly it was an archaic approach. But it also might want to make some think twice too, about killing more of us. After all, if you’re thinking about killing Americans to avenge some death, and know we’ll kill 1000 of your people for everyone of ours you kill, killing us might not be the wisest course of action, that is if its your people you really care about.

Not all of us as you know are interested in reasoned response, so if you saw what they did after killing 3000 of us on 911, imagine what they’ll do if you kill more. Kill a lot of us, and all I can say is I hope you like fast food.

The truth is, for all our efforts, another terrorist attack is going to draw a heavy response from our leaders, and it won’t be humane, whoever does it.

911 was unprovoked, and was nothing but murder of innocent civilians by people too ignorant to think of a better way to address their greivances. And our invasion of Iraq, a country not involved in 911, was also nothing more than murder of innocent civilians by people too ignorant to think of a better way to respond to an attack from a specific group of people.

It would behoove people on both sides, to start putting aside the hate, learning to maybe not forgive, but move on, and look to calm, reasonable heads for answers to our conflicts.

I’m not bad.

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Gyges,

You are the master of understatement!

Jill

I spoke to you as an individual, not as a representative of your culture, please do me the same favor. I’ve yet to be asked to play a part in any major policy decisions, and if I was I’d advocate for as nonviolent a policy as is possible. We ARE trying to remove the plank from our eye, and hopefully a large part of it will be gone in a matter of months.

I was saying that going to a group of U.S. citizens who are actively working towards some of the same goals as you and calling for the slaughter of their family and friends is not a good strategy. All it accomplishes is the alienation of a group that would otherwise be sympathetic.

I wonder what the average American would do if they were invaded by 1.5 million soldiers and had millions of tons of bombs and missiles dropped on them. Perhaps they would appeal to the UN or World Court?

I rather doubt the soldier did anything wrong.

Except for shooting a manacled helpless prisoner, at point blank range with a rubber bullet.

Other than that….right?

Violence begets Violence.
You’d have a lot more sympathetic ears worldwide if you just called for the boycott. There are plenty of people in the U.S. who agree with you about our foreign policies. However when you call for “the slaughter of the occupiers” you make it impossible for anyone in the U.S. to work with you to make change happen.
At least once a day on this board I try and get people to see that every Muslim isn’t the enemy. Please don’t make the same mistake about us that too many here make about you (based on your posts I assume you’re a Muslim). Don’t think of all of us as evil monsters. We’re human, most of us are reasonable.

When/if Israel attacks Iran and Iran retaliates, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, and everyone fighting the US occupation in Iraq should direct all their focus at attacking Israel together and showing the world that the US/Israel are not above Human Rights Laws.

Also, it’s tragic that more people aren’t in Iraq and Afghanistan to slaughter the occupiers who are killing, raping, and torturing Muslims daily and have destroyed those two countries and now want to destroy Iran. Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo are just what we see; imagine the things that have been concealed. If countries such as Egypt and Saudi Arabia don’t do more to help the Palestinians end their suffering, the people should overthrow their dictators and all Muslim countries should have another oil embargo of the USA and Israel as well as applying sanctions on them. They can start by withdrawing all their assets from US banks and then freezing any US assets in their countries. The US and Israel will eventually be defeated, let us do whatever we can to make that happen sooner.

As I am a father of young children, the least I have done, was to stop buying ANY USA products or visiting the US since they attacked Iraq in 2003. I estimate that my actions alone have taken about $15 000 per year out of the US economy and I was going to buy a property in the US this year but will NEVER consider that until there is a Palestine once again. There are 1.5 billion Muslims in the world – STOP buying USA products or investing in that country!!!

per the report: “Abu Rahma told B’Tselem that the bullet hit his left toe. He said he received treatment from an army medic, and released by the soldiers.”

I would guess this is just a matter of a prisoner disobeying orders and an Israeli soldier firing at the ground to get his attention and a “whoops” occurred when he hit him in the toe. Either intentional or not, it was a “whoops”.

He was shot in the TOE! the TOE!

“NYC cops are not dealing with people that target women & children with bombs are they?”
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Had they and Condi and the FBI been “dealing” with such people on 9-11, maybe we wouldn’t be in this mess. By the way, needless cruelty is needless cruelty whatever the motivation or excuse, the crime of the defenseless prisoner notwithstanding. Hate is a bad thing, among its many other faults it clouds judgment.

NYC cops are not dealing with people that target women & children with bombs are they?

More power to the Israeli soldiers. They are fighting a war for the freedom to live.

“The question is was the prisoner disobeying orders and warned several times he would be shot with a rubber bullet if he continued?”
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Ok dundar I got it.

Cop says “if you cross that street anywhere but at the corner, I’m shooting you.” Pedestrian crossed in middle of block and is promptly shot (not dead mine you, just a flesh wound).

Thinking Person’s Law: Cop is suspended and fired after conviction for aggravated battery or attempted murder.

Dindar’s Law: Cop wins Nobel Peace Prize.

I do see your point.

The rest of the story in this story is the 30 minutes leading up to the incident.

I rather doubt the soldier did anything wrong. The question is was the prisoner disobeying orders and warned several times he would be shot with a rubber bullet if he continued? Did the prisoner know he was being filmed and wanted an incident that was on tape only with no audio?

Pay close attention to the little bit of film there is. More interaction is going on than you initially see. I also would bet there is a LOT more information in the previous 30 minutes of coverage.