So thats why I’ve been condeming the violence of the Israeli’s equally, if not more than the Palestinians?

You should consider a course in deductive reasoning there Yassar.

Zionists are racists and ALL have the SAME racist/bigoted, hate filled, narrow, moronic point of view. My guess is that you’re one of the latter and simply think all Jews feel the same way you do.

I have not made ANY “hateful” comments about the “Jewish people”.

Hell as far as I can tell you’ve made nothing but.

“Zionist Jews” this and “Zionist Jews” that.

I thought you were Yassar Arrafat for a minute there.

I have not made ANY “hateful” comments about the “Jewish people”. I have pointed out the hateful things SOME Jews do and I make no apologies for hating Zionists. Zionism is Apartheid which is Racism and should be hated by all decent people. No person is better than any other and should be given special rights in this life or the next solely based on their race.

Unfortunately, some races, religions and groups believe in hate and Zionists belong to this group. I am not surprised that many Americans and the US Government sees nothing wrong with Zionism because many Americans have no regard for their own indigenous people (that’s Injins to those that don’t know what indigenous is), didn’t oppose Apartheid in South Africa and until a few months ago had Nelson Mandela on their terrorist list for decades.

BTW, if the US didn’t prop up dictators like the Shah, Mubarak, Musharif, Saddam Hussein, Bush Sr’s buddies the Kuwaitis, Bush Jr’s buddies the Saudis and let’s not forget bin Laden, maybe the people would have a better chance of creating their own “regime change”.

I did a little research and more than half of Israel’s per capita income (about $15 000 per Israeli) comes from US welfare – $3 000 000 000 per year. That puts Israel’s PCI at about the same level as Greece or New Zealand, without it, Israel would be at the level of Botswana or Chile. That said, when the US becomes unwilling or more likely unable to support Israel, a lot of people will be looking to “resettle” the Jews so that the Palestinians can go back to where they were living before 1947.

There are about 5.5 million Jews in Israel and 6 million in the US and about 2 million in the rest of the world. There are about 1.5 billion Muslims in the world that don’t like the way the Palestinians have and are being treated. Unfortunately most Christians don’t care about the Christian Palestinians so it will be up to the Muslims to help them too. So there are about 115 Muslims to every Jew. And since Israel has gone out of its way to treat the Palestinians brutally, there won’t be too much compassion when it’s time for the “resettlement”.

So in the meantime, it’s great that Israeli Jews, American Jews and the US Government is wasting BILLIONS of dollars renting Palestine but one day the landlord is going to come with an eviction notice. I just hope I’ll be around to see it.

Amen.

In Voyager there was an episode where the captain “(Red from that 70′s show) of a great ship that could cause “temporal incursions” which would change events in time, and he was using the ship to try and “right a wrong that had occured.

Well, the problem was, each time he caused a temporal incursion to change one event, to correct one thing in the chain of events, he created a new problem. A new event, so he could never perfectly right the wrong. And along the way, he wiped out civilization after civilization.

Your problem is similar. You’re like two squabbling children, striking each other back and forth so many times, that you spend most of your time trying to figure out who did what to who. The only thing you can do at this time, is shake hands, and figure out something that doesn’t involve religious leaders. Religious leadership of government is invariably hot headed, and corrupt. It never focuses on the needs of the people but instead in some perceived spiritual goal.

Fighting over the holy land it would seem, to an outsider, to be the most ridiculous thing to be fighting over. Whichever god you believe in, he surely never wanted this.

You are a perfect example of the problem. With your “Zionist Jews” this and “Zionist Jews” that, never bother to look at your own words, or mine.

You are giving me exactly what I am sick of. Your “tit for tat” bullshit.

You don’t like Israel? Fine. Then be a man, put on a uniform, rally your army and go meet them in f#$king battle.

But don’t sit here crying about a the things they’ve done to your people while leaving out the things your people did to instigate it.

You’re both children crying about each others faults and ignoring your own. And when you don’t ignore your own faults you whitewash them.

And what really sucks, is you both keep churning out young ones and pushing them into the meatgrinder. If you were half the adult you try and sound like you’d try and stop the fighting now, and put aside your stupid childish hate of each other and get on with it.

Ok, so your folks on both sides were f$#ked up people, and couldn’t live next door to someone without blowing them up. Ok. That was then. This is now. You don’t have to kill. Neither do they. All you have to do is stop this tit for tat retaliation bullsh$t.

And if you can’t, then man up, suit up, and fly your colors bravely into battle like any army would, and settle the matter for good.

For those that either believe the Zionist propaganda or just want to spread it, a breif history of PALESTINE:

1895

The total population of Palestine was 500,000 of whom 47,000 were Jews who owned 0.5% of the land.

1896

Following the appearance of anti-Semitism in Europe, Theodore Herzl, the founder of Zionism tried to find a political solution for the problem in his book, ‘The Jewish State’. He advocated the creation of a Jewish state in Argentina or Palestine.

1897

The first Zionist Congress was held in Switzerland, which issued the Basle programme on the colonization of Palestine and the establishment of the World Zionist Organization (WZO).

1904

Fourth Zionist Congress decided to establish a national home for Jews in Argentina.

1906

The Zionist congress decided the Jewish homeland should be Palestine.

1914

With the outbreak of World War I, Britain promised the independence of Arab lands under Ottoman rule, including Palestine, in return for Arab support against Turkey which had entered the war on the side of Germany.

1916

Britain and France signed the Sykes-Picot Agreement, which divided the Arab region into zones of influence. Lebanon and Syria were assigned to France, Jordan and Iraq to Britain and Palestine was to be internationalized.

1917

Lord Balfour, the British Foreign Secretary sent a letter to the Zionist leader Lord Rothschild which later became known as “The Balfour declaration”. He stated that Britain would use its best endeavors to facilitate the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people. At that time the population of Palestine was 700,000 of which 574,000 were Muslims, 74,000 were Christian, and 56,000 were Jews.

1919

The Palestinians convened their first National Conference and expressed their opposition to the Balfour Declaration.

1920

The San Remo Conference granted Britain a mandate over Palestine and two years later Palestine was effectively under British administration, and Sir Herbert Samuel, a declared Zionist, was sent as Britain’s first High Commissioner to Palestine.

1922

The Council of the League of Nations issued a Mandate for Palestine. The Mandate was in favor of the establishment for the Jewish people a homeland in Palestine.

1936

The Palestinians held a six-month General Strike to protest against the confiscation of land and Jewish immigration.

1939

The British government published a new White Paper restricting Jewish immigration and offering independence for Palestine within ten years. This was rejected by the Zionists, who then organized terrorist groups and launched a bloody campaign against the British and the Palestinians. The aim was to drive them both out of Palestine and to pave the way for the establishment of the Zionist state.

1947

The United Nations approved the partition under which the Palestinian Arabs, who accounted for 70% of the population and owned 92% of the land, were allocated 47% of the country. (UN resolution 181)

1948

British forces withdrew from Palestine in May and the Zionists proclaimed the state of Israel without defining its borders. Arab armies moved to defend the Palestinians.

1949

A cease fire was finally agreed. The Zionists controlled 77% of Palestinian land and over 1 million Palestinians were forced to leave their country. The West Bank was put under Jordanian control and the Gaza Strip under Egyptian control.

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So as you can see, the Zionist Jews brought terrorism to Palestine and the general strikes, objections and hope for Britain, the US and the UN to help has done nothing. If ignorance is bliss, you should be the happiest guy on the planet.

No doubt.

We’re working on that.

When you guys gonna start?

The Palestinians have been hoping for 60 years

No Zak, what the Palestinians have been doing for the last 60 years is walking into market places and blowing apart the bodies of a bunch of teenagers having lunch.

Thats what the Palestinians have been doing.

And when they STOP doing that then maybe the world community will be able to get behind them.

So please stop your whining but continue bashing your head against the wall, it’ll all be over soon.

The only ones forcing your sons to kill others is your sons parents.

Cause I’m sick of you all, and sick of Americans dying over your pitiful inability to just grow the f$#k up.

I mean you want nothing but war anyway. So go for it. We’ll give Palestine some nukes, then you can both launch simultaneously, and wipe each others stupid, stupid asses off the face of the planet.

Hell, take Iran with you. Well just get China to speed up their enrichment program, load it up in the mid range missles they’ve already sold them, and let em fly. You can all go out in a blaze of self gratuituous pious glory for all I care. Or for all half this country cares for that matter.

Because I’m sick of your tit for tat little wimpy mans war. You want a war, get on with then chickensh$ts. Blow each other to kingdom frackin come for all I care, or whereever the hell kingdom it is you’re trying to build.

A kingdom obviously that you cannot find within the love of your own families, the richness of life, careers, education and the fellowship of community. So please, by all means, do us all a freaking favor, and blow yourselves to whatever freaking kingdom it is you are trying to find.

And take Zakimar with you.

Or, you can try growing up now, and giving the babies you constantly keep making and then slaughtering, a glint of a decent future, and a life. One that includes breathing, eating and not having bombs fall on their heads in school, or being blown up at a goddamned sidewalk cafe by an idiot with a body bomb.

Try growing up, and laying down the goddamned guns.

Until then, both sides can keep making a lot of little coffins, for their kids.

Because thats all you’ve got to hand to your children, you studid, stupid, STUPID mutherf#kers.

“The extent of the pattern and seriousness of the consequences indicate the commission of war crimes.”

Human Rights Watch

Are you trying to kid me, or yourself?

Israel, has exposed its heart, as being as black and cruel as the heart of Germany when it unleashed its war crimes on the Jews.

Endless accounts day after day in video and eyewitness accounts of unspeakable attrocities commited by the holy sanctimonious Israeli army against the Palestinians.

Armed incursions into civillian areas, attacks and bombing campaigns against civilian populations, beating and verified torturing of helpless prisoners, rape and murder of captives, and on and on…

Of course, given current U.S. Conservative standards, they’re merely complying with our own new policies for conducting “modern warfare”.

JT, you’re absolutely correct in saying that it’s the actor’s fault and not the camera’s and that the outrage is misplaced. The problem is that these videos are invariably shown out of context and even when we manage to disprove what it purports to be showing (e.g., a scene is staged, Hamas deliberately sends civilians into the line of fire etc.) the damage is done and media outlets are reluctant to print retractions. I also question the motives of B’tzelem and other such groups. I think many of them are self-hating Jews and that more than a zeal to defend human rights is at play.

I and most Israelis share following sentiment:

“What we hold against Nasser is not only the killing of our sons, but forcing them for the sake of Israel’s survival, to kill others.
-Golda Meir

Take every possible glimmer of hope, and try and squash it under your boot.

Keep using terms like “Zionist Jew”, and perpetuate the hate.

What would wars do without guys like you to cheer them on?

I don’t blame the Israelis, they are doing whatever they can get away with. Most child molesters were also molested as children, so if “holocaust survivors” didn’t create new “concentration camps and “death squads”, that would be really surprising.

And as for Obama, in his first speech after becoming the Democrat nominee, he told AIPAC (a Zionist Jew organization) that the bill to get Israel their annual $3 000 000 000 was already underway – with any preconditions.

Having suffered at the hands of the Nazi’s in such a horrible manner, one would think would make them as far from that mentality as possible.

Yet here they are, armbands and all, torturing a helpless victim.

England clearly has had enough of kowtowing to the unreasonable expansion and violent persecution of the Palestinian people, and is going to start taking methods to reign in Israel so that true peace in the middle east can be had.

I imagine Obama once he takes office in Jan, will follow suit.

Look at what happen to Obama when one Jewish magazine, the New Yorker ran that racist and bigoted “satirical” cover. Now remember Rupert Murdoch and Bloomberg are also Zionist Jews and they own a great deal of the US media. Some of Murdoch’s media holdings include: the Weekly Standard, the New York Post, Fox News, 20th Century Fox, MySpace, HarperCollins, and over 175 media outlets. CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS, and shows like 60 Minutes are also owned or run by Zionist Jews.

So it’s not that most candidates, Presidents and other politician like Israel or Jews, they fear the media. So be thankful, you are electing cowards, not religious zealots.

Picture Donald Sutherland, standing on the steps of a building, slack jawed emitting a high pitched whine, while pointing a bony finger in your direction.

Thats Martha.

And you sir are NOT “of the body”.

Its a sad thing raff, and its something most people won’t admit, but you’ve hit the nail on the head. See, in “Evangelical” Christianity, (I know, kind of opposing values, ay?) these new holy rollers, are convinced that at the “end of times” it will be all war.

And that war will be the United States, and Israel, against the rest of the nations of the world.

They do this by misinterpreting allagorical scriptures and interjecting modern interpretations to statements that were directed or about ancient events.

So to them, Israel and the US against the rest of the world, is not only ok, but its how its supposed to be.

Israel was founded on the murder and oppression of the indigenous people and Apartheid, so Israel is a little better than the US.

You’re in great company.

All the more incentive for countries like Iraq and Iran to get nuclear weapons. So I guess you feel that any nation that attacks another for no reason deserves to get nuked. No wonder you and the US government are so afraid of others having nukes.

And btw, tell all the blacks that were slaves and helped build America about freedom and democracy. Most of the “founding fathers” also raped their slaves. I guess God loves slave masters and rapists too.

God protects the United States.

zakimar: those that mess with God’s gift of freedom and democracy to the world, the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, will suffer under God’s sword.

zakimar: urging palestinians to use automatic rifles on Israelis will only mean Palestine will cease to exist. God protects it.