Comments on: Bin Laden’s Driver Convicted in Military Tribunal

By: Bin Laden Driver Gets 5 1/2 Years — Administration Pledges to Simply Hold Him Indefinitely « JONATHAN TURLEY

Fri, 08 Aug 2008 04:07:02 +0000

[...] held indefinitely. So, after proclaiming to the world that he received a “fair trial,” here,the Administration is now saying that the trial and sentence are [...]

By: Bad Procedure: The Hamdan Conviction (A Round-Up)

Bad Procedure: The Hamdan Conviction (A Round-Up) — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 06:58:21 +0000

[...] But though the current system is much better than that struck down by the Supreme Court in 2004, it still is riddled with legal problems that ensure that the conviction will never be viewed as safe. Despite the Bush administration’s attempt to frame the decision as a victory, Jonathan Turley doubts that such convictions will help Bush’s legacy. As he says, the tragedy isn’t the conviction but the fact that the means by which it was obtained makes it subject to question. (Jonathan Turley) [...]

By: mespo727272

mespo727272 — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 03:55:40 +0000

rafflaw:

It’s got “Dreyfus” written all over it. J’accuse!

By: rafflaw

rafflaw — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 03:43:32 +0000

Puzzling,
History will document this verdict as nothing more than a sham. The ends do not justify the means, at least that used to be the case in the America that I know.

By: puzzling

puzzling — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 02:51:17 +0000

This verdict was a positive outcome for the administration because it allows the government to claim that the MCA trial system must necessarily be fair. After all, Hamdan was partially acquitted. The media coverage of this story today generally fits with this construct, as if American ideals of justice enjoyed a moral triumph today that transcended the wrongs of 9/11.

The truth is that history will condemn this verdict as solidifying the tremendous and very real loss of hard won protections of the people from the actions of their own government. This “justice” is nothing less than a fool’s paradise, although apparently very few yet realize it.

By: rafflaw

rafflaw — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 02:20:14 +0000

Russ,
I am glad that you think insulting people and questioning their patriotism is an intelligent way to respond to a posting. However, when people start spewing crap, it is usually because they are ignorant of the facts being discussed. That seems to be the case here. Yes, I am unhappy. I am unhappy because people like you don’t consider it important enough to actually learn what your country is doing illegally. By the way, I am a patriot because I won’t settle for my country becoming a rogue member of the Free World. I won’t settle for a President deciding who is a terrorist and who is not and not a judge. I won’t settle for a President who breaks our own laws by allowing our CIA to torture people. I believe in the Constitution. Have you ever heard of it Russ? Take a few minutes and have someone read it to you. Then, even you might understand what is going on here.

By: russ

russ — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 02:03:47 +0000

rafflaw, why the heck don’t you just get out of our country. you appear to be very unhappy. i think france would suit you better.

By: rafflaw

rafflaw — Wed, 06 Aug 2008 23:59:13 +0000

Dundar,
If there is only a few thousand more to go,does that mean the Do Not Fly list that has over One Million people on it, is no longer needed? Calling these stacked deck hearings a trial is a misnomer to say the least. These hearings allowed in evidence that was obtained via torture. No other credible country would allow a result obtained through torture. Oh, I forgot that we haven’t been a credible and law abiding country since Bush was appointed.

By: Jill

Jill — Wed, 06 Aug 2008 19:23:31 +0000

dundar,

Usually right wing extremists don’t use much irony. I commend you.

By: dundar

dundar — Wed, 06 Aug 2008 19:06:21 +0000

One down, a few thousand to go.

It’s wonderful seeing America totally defeat the terrorists.

You would think they would start getting the message but they aren’t the smartest bunch of terrorists are they………..

By: whooliebacon

whooliebacon — Wed, 06 Aug 2008 17:12:55 +0000

Meanwhile from the Bush style government:

“America stands in firm opposition to China’s detention of political dissidents, human rights advocates and religious activists,” Bush will declare in the marquee speech of his three-nation Asia trip. “We speak out for a free press, freedom of assembly and labor rights _ not to antagonize China’s leaders, but because trusting its people with greater freedom is the only way for China to develop its full potential.”

China has a Wal-mart union. What a hoot!

By: zakimar

zakimar — Wed, 06 Aug 2008 17:10:29 +0000

That thing about a jury of one’s peers has become quite archaic to a modern democracy. The US Constitution demanding an “impartial jury” is getting quite old.

By: Jill

Jill — Wed, 06 Aug 2008 16:59:13 +0000

“The thing itself speaks.”