Comments on: In Wake of Ivins Suicide, Government Faces Tens of Millions of Dollars in Negligence Lawsuits http://jonathanturley.org/2008/08/11/in-wake-of-ivins-suicide-government-faces-tens-of-millions-of-dollars-in-negligence-lawsuits/ Res ipsa loquitur ("The thing itself speaks") Mon, 23 Nov 2009 16:23:23 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: Michael Spindell http://jonathanturley.org/2008/08/11/in-wake-of-ivins-suicide-government-faces-tens-of-millions-of-dollars-in-negligence-lawsuits/#comment-20632 Michael Spindell Tue, 12 Aug 2008 23:22:50 +0000 http://jonathanturley.wordpress.com/?p=3226#comment-20632 Candy, Where would the Schwabb's Drugstore of discovery be? Candy,
Where would the Schwabb’s Drugstore of discovery be?

]]> By: Candy Rockefeller http://jonathanturley.org/2008/08/11/in-wake-of-ivins-suicide-government-faces-tens-of-millions-of-dollars-in-negligence-lawsuits/#comment-20613 Candy Rockefeller Tue, 12 Aug 2008 19:26:53 +0000 http://jonathanturley.wordpress.com/?p=3226#comment-20613 I think the job application process probably drove Ivins crazy, so all government employees are crazy by their hire dates. There is nothing we can do about it but go to an old Holywood system. New government employees should be "discovered." I think the job application process probably drove Ivins crazy, so all government employees are crazy by their hire dates. There is nothing we can do about it but go to an old Holywood system. New government employees should be “discovered.”

]]> By: Gyges http://jonathanturley.org/2008/08/11/in-wake-of-ivins-suicide-government-faces-tens-of-millions-of-dollars-in-negligence-lawsuits/#comment-20610 Gyges Tue, 12 Aug 2008 18:53:45 +0000 http://jonathanturley.wordpress.com/?p=3226#comment-20610 I always liked the quote from Clue (which has one of the best casts of any comedy): "Is the FBI really in the business of covering up multiple homicides?" "Why do you think it's run by a man name Hoover?" I always liked the quote from Clue (which has one of the best casts of any comedy):

“Is the FBI really in the business of covering up multiple homicides?”
“Why do you think it’s run by a man name Hoover?”

]]> By: Michael Spindell http://jonathanturley.org/2008/08/11/in-wake-of-ivins-suicide-government-faces-tens-of-millions-of-dollars-in-negligence-lawsuits/#comment-20608 Michael Spindell Tue, 12 Aug 2008 18:44:54 +0000 http://jonathanturley.wordpress.com/?p=3226#comment-20608 Rafflaw, Though said with irony one of my father's favorite statements was "I may not always be right, but I'm never wrong." I think he was quoting J. Edgar. Rafflaw,
Though said with irony one of my father’s favorite statements was “I may not always be right, but I’m never wrong.” I think he was quoting J. Edgar.

]]> By: rafflaw http://jonathanturley.org/2008/08/11/in-wake-of-ivins-suicide-government-faces-tens-of-millions-of-dollars-in-negligence-lawsuits/#comment-20552 rafflaw Tue, 12 Aug 2008 00:48:14 +0000 http://jonathanturley.wordpress.com/?p=3226#comment-20552 This whole Ivins matter smells fishy. If this guy was so crazy, why was he there for so many years? I think the FBI is trying to save face over their original mistake. And we know that FBI can't be wrong,right? This whole Ivins matter smells fishy. If this guy was so crazy, why was he there for so many years? I think the FBI is trying to save face over their original mistake. And we know that FBI can’t be wrong,right?

]]> By: Michael Spindell http://jonathanturley.org/2008/08/11/in-wake-of-ivins-suicide-government-faces-tens-of-millions-of-dollars-in-negligence-lawsuits/#comment-20536 Michael Spindell Mon, 11 Aug 2008 22:29:56 +0000 http://jonathanturley.wordpress.com/?p=3226#comment-20536 Gyges, Charitably, that may have been Dundar's point. However, my point was that corporations pay much less than their fair share of taxes. At the same time they reap governmental benefits that far exceed the benefits garnered by the average taxpayer. Gyges,
Charitably, that may have been Dundar’s point. However, my point was that corporations pay much less than their fair share of taxes. At the same time they reap governmental benefits that far exceed the benefits garnered by the average taxpayer.

]]> By: Jill http://jonathanturley.org/2008/08/11/in-wake-of-ivins-suicide-government-faces-tens-of-millions-of-dollars-in-negligence-lawsuits/#comment-20534 Jill Mon, 11 Aug 2008 21:54:04 +0000 http://jonathanturley.wordpress.com/?p=3226#comment-20534 By law, corporations are people. By law, corporations are people.

]]> By: Gyges http://jonathanturley.org/2008/08/11/in-wake-of-ivins-suicide-government-faces-tens-of-millions-of-dollars-in-negligence-lawsuits/#comment-20532 Gyges Mon, 11 Aug 2008 21:35:23 +0000 http://jonathanturley.wordpress.com/?p=3226#comment-20532 Michael, I think the argument that Dundar is making is that corporations just pass the taxes they pay on to the consumer. Dundar, You had to know this was coming, where did your 40% figure come from? Michael,

I think the argument that Dundar is making is that corporations just pass the taxes they pay on to the consumer.

Dundar,

You had to know this was coming, where did your 40% figure come from?

]]> By: Michael Spindell http://jonathanturley.org/2008/08/11/in-wake-of-ivins-suicide-government-faces-tens-of-millions-of-dollars-in-negligence-lawsuits/#comment-20531 Michael Spindell Mon, 11 Aug 2008 21:12:08 +0000 http://jonathanturley.wordpress.com/?p=3226#comment-20531 What is appalling about this story is that whether or not Ivins is guilty (which I doubt) the investigation and follow-up was botched to the extent that real harm was caused by ineffective government action. Dundar, "Corporations don’t pay tax, people pay tax." Doesn't it bother you that corporations don't pay taxes because of the Conservatives you support and vote for? If corporations paid their fair share of taxes, at a rate that would be equivalent to the government benefits they receive, regular people wouldn't have to pay very much tax. What is appalling about this story is that whether or not Ivins is guilty (which I doubt) the investigation and follow-up was botched to the extent that real harm was caused by ineffective government action.

Dundar,
“Corporations don’t pay tax, people pay tax.” Doesn’t it bother you that corporations don’t pay taxes because of the Conservatives you support and vote for? If corporations paid their fair share of taxes, at a rate that would be equivalent to the government benefits they receive, regular people wouldn’t have to pay very much tax.

]]> By: lizard http://jonathanturley.org/2008/08/11/in-wake-of-ivins-suicide-government-faces-tens-of-millions-of-dollars-in-negligence-lawsuits/#comment-20523 lizard Mon, 11 Aug 2008 18:15:52 +0000 http://jonathanturley.wordpress.com/?p=3226#comment-20523 Mr Turley I assume that these criticisms are equally valid regardless of the actual guilt of Dr. Ivins? Mr Turley

I assume that these criticisms are equally valid regardless of the actual guilt of Dr. Ivins?

]]> By: whooliebacon http://jonathanturley.org/2008/08/11/in-wake-of-ivins-suicide-government-faces-tens-of-millions-of-dollars-in-negligence-lawsuits/#comment-20522 whooliebacon Mon, 11 Aug 2008 17:58:11 +0000 http://jonathanturley.wordpress.com/?p=3226#comment-20522 Dundar, Appreciate your argument, their are plenty of problems with our tax system but I can't image anyone is proud of where our tax dollars have gone for the last 8 years...mainly for Corporate welfare. Even now our tax dollars are being used to run all this propaganda about Ivins. Dundar,

Appreciate your argument, their are plenty of problems with our tax system but I can’t image anyone is proud of where our tax dollars have gone for the last 8 years…mainly for Corporate welfare.

Even now our tax dollars are being used to run all this propaganda about Ivins.

]]> By: Jill http://jonathanturley.org/2008/08/11/in-wake-of-ivins-suicide-government-faces-tens-of-millions-of-dollars-in-negligence-lawsuits/#comment-20519 Jill Mon, 11 Aug 2008 16:11:43 +0000 http://jonathanturley.wordpress.com/?p=3226#comment-20519 First, I don't believe the FBI's lone thraxman story. It simply does not hang together. What does seem clear is that either the govt. was completely negligent in retaining a man working with biological weapons with the profile they have just presented or this case is another "mistake" in the FBI's investigation. Either way it doesn't look good. I hope the families are successful in their lawsuits and I hope these lawsuits get all of us closer to the truth of the matter. First, I don’t believe the FBI’s lone thraxman story. It simply does not hang together.

What does seem clear is that either the govt. was completely negligent in retaining a man working with biological weapons with the profile they have just presented or this case is another “mistake” in the FBI’s investigation. Either way it doesn’t look good. I hope the families are successful in their lawsuits and I hope these lawsuits get all of us closer to the truth of the matter.

]]> By: anon http://jonathanturley.org/2008/08/11/in-wake-of-ivins-suicide-government-faces-tens-of-millions-of-dollars-in-negligence-lawsuits/#comment-20518 anon Mon, 11 Aug 2008 16:02:24 +0000 http://jonathanturley.wordpress.com/?p=3226#comment-20518 Jonathan, Are you absolutely sure it was FBI investigators, or maybe were the investigators instructed by their supervisors to focus on specific leads? Just curious. Jonathan,

Are you absolutely sure it was FBI investigators, or maybe were the investigators instructed by their supervisors to focus on specific leads? Just curious.

]]> By: dundar http://jonathanturley.org/2008/08/11/in-wake-of-ivins-suicide-government-faces-tens-of-millions-of-dollars-in-negligence-lawsuits/#comment-20515 dundar Mon, 11 Aug 2008 15:38:32 +0000 http://jonathanturley.wordpress.com/?p=3226#comment-20515 whollie: 40% of the cost of everthing you purchase is tax. Corporations don't pay tax, people pay tax. Divide the total annual budget by the number of households in America, about 100 million, and you arrive at the number each household has to contribute in the form of higher prices to keep the American cradle to grave welfare state rolling. whollie:

40% of the cost of everthing you purchase is tax.

Corporations don’t pay tax, people pay tax.

Divide the total annual budget by the number of households in America, about 100 million, and you arrive at the number each household has to contribute in the form of higher prices to keep the American cradle to grave welfare state rolling.

]]> By: whooliebacon http://jonathanturley.org/2008/08/11/in-wake-of-ivins-suicide-government-faces-tens-of-millions-of-dollars-in-negligence-lawsuits/#comment-20512 whooliebacon Mon, 11 Aug 2008 15:07:54 +0000 http://jonathanturley.wordpress.com/?p=3226#comment-20512 Please tell me the present crowd in the White House has opted out of Government health care, if it is so bad. It continues to amaze me how the theft based religious republicans continue to decry foul anytime tax dollars are used in a manner not suited to their war mongering, xenophobic, stingy, weired beliefs. And then they cry about how much they are being taxed. Bush's tax rate figured at 20%. Give me a break. Please tell me the present crowd in the White House has opted out of Government health care, if it is so bad.

It continues to amaze me how the theft based religious republicans continue to decry foul anytime tax dollars are used in a manner not suited to their war mongering, xenophobic, stingy, weired beliefs. And then they cry about how much they are being taxed. Bush’s tax rate figured at 20%. Give me a break.

]]> By: dundar http://jonathanturley.org/2008/08/11/in-wake-of-ivins-suicide-government-faces-tens-of-millions-of-dollars-in-negligence-lawsuits/#comment-20508 dundar Mon, 11 Aug 2008 14:53:28 +0000 http://jonathanturley.wordpress.com/?p=3226#comment-20508 Rob, yup, I agree, the American health care system is the WORST SYSTEM IN THE WORLD.........except for all the others. Rob, yup, I agree, the American health care system is the WORST SYSTEM IN THE WORLD………except for all the others.

]]> By: Rob http://jonathanturley.org/2008/08/11/in-wake-of-ivins-suicide-government-faces-tens-of-millions-of-dollars-in-negligence-lawsuits/#comment-20506 Rob Mon, 11 Aug 2008 13:39:50 +0000 http://jonathanturley.wordpress.com/?p=3226#comment-20506 Strange how the right wing thinks that business can and will do a bang up job running the health care for the nation. Do you really think that the way the system is run now is good? Millions of people do not have health care. I sold my business last year, and would like to retire, but because my wife has a pre-existing condition we can not get health insurance. So we had to start another business, or work for someone else, JUST TO GET HEALTH INSURANCE. Insurance companies only want to insure people that are healthy. That is not the point of insurance. Strange how the right wing thinks that business can and will do a bang up job running the health care for the nation.

Do you really think that the way the system is run now is good? Millions of people do not have health care.

I sold my business last year, and would like to retire, but because my wife has a pre-existing condition we can not get health insurance. So we had to start another business, or work for someone else, JUST TO GET HEALTH INSURANCE.

Insurance companies only want to insure people that are healthy. That is not the point of insurance.

]]> By: dundar http://jonathanturley.org/2008/08/11/in-wake-of-ivins-suicide-government-faces-tens-of-millions-of-dollars-in-negligence-lawsuits/#comment-20505 dundar Mon, 11 Aug 2008 12:24:05 +0000 http://jonathanturley.wordpress.com/?p=3226#comment-20505 Strange then how Liberals think the Government can & will do a bang up job running healthcare for the Nation. Strange then how Liberals think the Government can & will do a bang up job running healthcare for the Nation.

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