Death to the inmates arguing with the Law given in the Holy Sinai, what about the expiation for the sinners?
(Letter to the Romans, Chapter 7, Versicles 1-5)

Really in GOD we trust?


Serve as testimony that if they given death penalty having no true reason, according to the Scriptures and using them wrongly,apart from that is incostitucional according to the US Constitution, that surely to those running the trial, they will have to account for the blood shed, having forgiveness and rendemption consummated because the Messiah, they surely will received a fair retribution.

They will have to speak for the bloodshed.

The Bible

I wanted to mention footnote.com to you, Michael
I have never used it, personally, but I keep seeing it as a
‘free trial’ ancestory search source. If you just Type in ‘Spindell’
several things come up – which might interest you.

I’ve also seen Spindell as Spindal, Spindle, Spindel etc…

A lot of people’s spellings changed – when they got here.
Some funny stories, too.

And yes, I did read Dan Brown’s DaVinci Code, but unlike JT, I watched the movie at home… Angels and Demons I might pay to see.

I wish I could trace my roots back a few hundred years. Unfortunately, I come from Hungarian Jewish peasant stock and both my Grandmothers were illiterate. Their 18 combined children were more interested in being seen as American, rather than celebrating their heritage. It would have been nice if they had more curiosity about their forebears.

Regarding to “the Third Crusade and a Knight and vassal, first name
‘Godfried’ L.” there is something ringing a bell I can’t currently answer in my memory. I think checking Barbara Tuchman’s “A Distant Mirror”, or googling the Knights Templar, might bring some information.

You have nothing to apologize for.

Your arguments, while passionate, are rational, mostly unbiased, and very well-studied. I gleaned much from what you wrote.

I know what I now believe to be very little, by contrast, about Jewish history OR the conflict in the Middle East, quite frankly.

Aside from my American roots, I know that my French heritage is traceable to the Third Crusade and a Knight and vassal, first name
‘Godfried’ L. … Beyond that, very little.

My great-grandmother was, no doubt, the first incarnation of Alex Haley’s ‘Roots’. She was doing genealogy way before it was ‘cool’.

She never got into the DAR, herself, despite having married a Main Line Philly Yale engineer, but she left this wonderful, genealogical history and my mother, by her great-grandfather’s lineage, is a proud member of the Mayflower Society and the DAR today.

So far, neither association is a high priority for me.

Occasionally, I read chapters on notable figures like Richard the Lionheart etc. It’s interesting history, but I must confess, I have much more passion for the American ‘evolution’.

I want to thank Gyges, Jill and Mespo for helping to clear my perspective. What I value about your forum is the ability to interchange ideas with smart people, who are passionate in their beliefs, and on topics I find of great interest. Many of my responses lately, went way off the given topic and it is solely my responsibility that I allowed myself to become distracted.

While of late, some of the posters on the site have gone beyond the rules of engaging discourse, it would be a pity if their excess led to your site’s closure. This is because, beyond your practice and professorship, as you have said we live in a time where civil liberties are threatened. This website provides a gathering place for
a variety of people who are concerned about this issue. I urge you to continue and I again am sorry for my behavior.

So…if a bunch of christians vote to put someone to death, because of their religious beliefs, what’s the problem? Aren’t we all effected by some type of value system? I’m no Christian, but don’t christians have the freedom to express their religious beliefs? Even if it means voting on a penalty of death? They could argue we’re infringing upon their religious freedoms to allow them to express their religious convictions with regards to their vote. If not, then do you exclude christians from jury duty? Is that fair. Is this happening becuase they verbalized what they feel already.

Sooo…I understand the state can’t get involved in relion, but are we now saying that people can not allow their own relious beliefs to take a part in their actions on a jury, and how could that possibly happen?

Hmmm…interesting debate could happen here…nice food for thought…

mespo, I’ve been ‘uninspired’ lately, as well. We used to have a nice little ‘salon’ and interesting discussions about ‘the law’. DW was often the instigator – inquisitive, spending hours researching JSTOR

It’s was fun with our occasional mischief and bad puns!

p.s. Summer Olympic ‘mussels’ recipes on sami.

I’d like to apologize for any part I may have played in aiding the discussion’s devolution. I always tried to keep my posts civil, and stopped when I saw what the conversation was becoming, but I did partially enable its degeneration by continuing the discussion long past when I should have seen it’s true character.

I would encourage all involved to express their regret. Prof. Turley has no obligation to operate this blog, and does so at expense of his own time. I think we all owe it to him to not only respect his wishes, but to apologize when we allow things to get out of hand. This is his property, not ours, and he’s been a very gracious host.

Once again, I’m sorry.

I have been wondering about this for a while now. It does seem that we’ve been getting a rash of posters (is there a cream for that!) who post hate speech or sound like they’re trying to write the newest book of prophecy. There have been other types of attack on this blog before and these could be as well.

How can we expect the American people to be smart enough not to re-elect Bush when the smartest law professor of the country has a blog that contains more typo’s than anything else? I seriously wonder if Iraq was invaded because of a typo at the White House or the CIA… Ah, who cares about a Q or an N anyway, right?

3) During the Reagan administration vast stretches of land were allowed for drilling exploration and continue to be untouched today, lands that clearly hold more potential oil prospects than even ANWR. Why then are the politicians calling for more land, not more drilling of the land already available?

None of this even begins to address the charge that you make concerning Obama and oil money. Considering who the oil companies are backing for president, I don’t believe that statement holds much water. But, if you think Obama really wants to send our money overseas then why does he support alternative energy research and development so adamantly?

I have appealed to you before for a discussion on aspects of your posts, so I hold no real hope for a legitimate reply to my request this time. But, when you say, “I bet you are a ‘no drilling in America’ Obama supporter that thinks it wise to send hundreds of billions of dollars to countries that do not like us and even want to see us destroyed.” Please explain to me what on earth you are talking about.

I understand that old supply and demand rhetoric, I took macro economics in college as well. However, there are numerous flaws in the belief that opening up these lands for drilling would increase supply any significant amount… ever. For the sake of clarity I will enumerate just a few.

1) Legislation previously passed through congress, supported by McCain, would allow for any oil obtained from the process to be sold on the world market. Therefore, that oil would be added to the already large quantities of oil there, severely limiting its impact on oil pricing since the world supply would barely change.

2)

Please do not shut down your site. I do not post often. I don’t always feel I have much to contribute. However, I enjoy it immensely. I found it through your work with Keith on Countdown. I enjoyed your segments very much and am glad to see your site every day. It is a small space for rational and sympathetic people to share their thoughts. I don’t pretend you should spend your time managing a webpage for myself, but I imagine the other frequenters of this blog feel much the same way.

Mespo says:”I have decided to curtail much of my posting…..”

And then Russ says: “mespo:You remind me of the Russians…fearful…thugs…murderers…want to see us destroyed.”

LL says: That attack could not have been better on cue if disruption is the point of Russ’s posts. I can’t help but wonder if there aren’t elements “out there” who are going “oh boy, oh boy, Turley might shut down his blog. Just a few more attacks, and by George…”

Thy name is nonsequitur!

You remind me of the Russians that sit fearfully by and watch their country taken over again by the same thugs and murderers that ran the old Soviet Union!

I bet you are a “no drilling in America’ Obama supporter that thinks it wise to send hundreds of billions of dollars to countries that do not like us and even want to see us destroyed.

How can one who declares knowing when life commences is above his paygrade ever get a single vote in America? Obama will get millions of votes but will lose the election by a landslide.

Ura mofo, I have deleted your comments which are filled with profanity and insults. If you persist in such postings, you will be the first person banned from this site.

Hassan and Zakimar, your comments also crossed the line. This site is now to be used for name calling and attacking religions. Your comments have also be deleted.

Please, I do not have time to constantly monitor the comments and ask for civility on this site. If civil discourse cannot be maintained, I would sooner shut down the site than be a host for such personal and insulting exchanges. Please do me and the others a favor by toning down the rhetoric and stopping the personal attacks.

JT

Nobody READS THE NYT ANYMORE! Leastways anybody that wants to know the truth.

This is a clear violation of seperation of church and state. I don’t want to live in a christian “lawgiving” state. I guess this judge feels if the bible verse he picks out fits, you must never aquit!

Did you mean to say “jurors relied NOT simply on the evidence, but biblical…”? Otherwise that first sentence doesn’t make sense. Thank you!