Comments on: Afghan Justice: Rape Victims Jailed for Illegal Sexual Contacts http://jonathanturley.org/2008/08/18/afghan-justice-rape-victims-jailed-for-illegal-sexual-contacts/ Res ipsa loquitur ("The thing itself speaks") Wed, 25 Nov 2009 00:24:00 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: Two Men Sentenced to Death for Translating Koran « JONATHAN TURLEY http://jonathanturley.org/2008/08/18/afghan-justice-rape-victims-jailed-for-illegal-sexual-contacts/#comment-38338 Two Men Sentenced to Death for Translating Koran « JONATHAN TURLEY Sun, 08 Feb 2009 12:28:11 +0000 http://jonathanturley.wordpress.com/?p=3397#comment-38338 [...] is only the latest in an ever growing list of such outrages from the Afghan legal system, here and here and here and [...] [...] is only the latest in an ever growing list of such outrages from the Afghan legal system, here and here and here and [...]

]]> By: Electoral Dysfunction: U.S. Hands Out Viagra to Warloads to Win Allies in Afghanistan « JONATHAN TURLEY http://jonathanturley.org/2008/08/18/afghan-justice-rape-victims-jailed-for-illegal-sexual-contacts/#comment-32212 Electoral Dysfunction: U.S. Hands Out Viagra to Warloads to Win Allies in Afghanistan « JONATHAN TURLEY Fri, 26 Dec 2008 16:04:36 +0000 http://jonathanturley.wordpress.com/?p=3397#comment-32212 [...] in Afghanistan Published 1, December 26, 2008 Bizarre , Society , Torts After a long line of stories about the continued marriage of young girls (some below ten) and rape of women as a means of forced [...] [...] in Afghanistan Published 1, December 26, 2008 Bizarre , Society , Torts After a long line of stories about the continued marriage of young girls (some below ten) and rape of women as a means of forced [...]

]]> By: Michael Spindell http://jonathanturley.org/2008/08/18/afghan-justice-rape-victims-jailed-for-illegal-sexual-contacts/#comment-21237 Michael Spindell Mon, 18 Aug 2008 22:48:39 +0000 http://jonathanturley.wordpress.com/?p=3397#comment-21237 Jill, Thank you for your kindness. Women's Rights is an issue that has always been dear to my heart. Many males, worldwide, are acculturated to the idea that women are for sex and men are for friendship. See most beer commercials. Beyond sex, I have always found women to be far more interesting in social situations. With many guys sports, cars, politics and bragging (about conquests) make up their conversational gambits. My wife is my best friend, not just "my old lady." In friendship I like to hang out with men and women who all feel that same way. The world would be a far better place if that was a universal attitude. Jill,
Thank you for your kindness. Women’s Rights is an issue that has always been dear to my heart. Many males, worldwide, are acculturated to the idea that women are for sex and men are for friendship. See most beer commercials. Beyond sex, I have always found women to be far more interesting in social situations. With many guys sports, cars, politics and bragging (about conquests) make up their conversational gambits. My wife is my best friend, not just “my old lady.” In friendship I like to hang out with men and women who all feel that same way. The world would be a far better place if that was a universal attitude.

]]> By: Jill http://jonathanturley.org/2008/08/18/afghan-justice-rape-victims-jailed-for-illegal-sexual-contacts/#comment-21228 Jill Mon, 18 Aug 2008 20:24:04 +0000 http://jonathanturley.wordpress.com/?p=3397#comment-21228 Michael, That was some impressive work! I'm so glad you posted on this issue. Jill Michael,

That was some impressive work! I’m so glad you posted on this issue.

Jill

]]> By: Michael Spindell http://jonathanturley.org/2008/08/18/afghan-justice-rape-victims-jailed-for-illegal-sexual-contacts/#comment-21226 Michael Spindell Mon, 18 Aug 2008 20:12:36 +0000 http://jonathanturley.wordpress.com/?p=3397#comment-21226 Jill, Thank you for the link. Ms. Moghissi's article was as you say very thoughtful. The separation of religion from government is the key element in any movement to ensure that women have absolutely equal status with men. How smug are some of the US' male pundits in their critique of the denial of women's human rights in Islamic countries. How little they recognize the more disguised, but yet palpable denial of full rights to women the US. This as you well know includes many instances of brutal treatment of women who are raped. i.e.: She had it coming, relax and enjoy it, etc. Police officials and hospital employees have been complicit with this in the past, although it's generally become better lately. Underlying these attitudes, however, are fundamentalist religious beliefs of Christians, Jews and other faiths that believe that God has made men the master of women. I believe that at the heart of the abortion issue, for instance, is a sub rosa effort to punish women for being sexual. Fundamentalism in any religious iteration seems to use repression of women as one of its prime tenets. There is a poignance to Ms. Moghissi's article in expressing the difficulty faced by Muslims who would hope for a change in the disparities between the sexes, while recognizing the traditional and institutional barriers to that achievement. In any culture whose members are predominantly of one faith the greatest hope for positive social change is the separation of religion from government. The US, judging from our current Presidential Campaign, also has a long way to go to achieve that necessary separation. Jill,
Thank you for the link. Ms. Moghissi’s article was as you say very thoughtful. The separation of religion from government is the key element in any movement to ensure that women have absolutely equal status with men. How smug are some of the US’ male pundits in their critique of the denial of women’s human rights in Islamic countries. How little they recognize the more disguised, but yet palpable denial of full rights to women the US. This as you well know includes many instances of brutal treatment of women who are raped. i.e.: She had it coming, relax and enjoy it, etc. Police officials and hospital employees have been complicit with this in the past, although it’s generally become better lately.

Underlying these attitudes, however, are fundamentalist religious beliefs of Christians, Jews and other faiths that believe that God has made men the master of women. I believe that at the heart of the abortion issue, for instance, is a sub rosa effort to punish women for being sexual. Fundamentalism in any religious iteration seems to use repression of women as one of its prime tenets.

There is a poignance to Ms. Moghissi’s article in expressing the difficulty faced by Muslims who would hope for a change in the disparities between the sexes, while recognizing the traditional and institutional barriers to that achievement.
In any culture whose members are predominantly of one faith the greatest hope for positive social change is the separation of religion from government. The US, judging from our current Presidential Campaign, also has a long way to go to achieve that necessary separation.

]]> By: Jill http://jonathanturley.org/2008/08/18/afghan-justice-rape-victims-jailed-for-illegal-sexual-contacts/#comment-21224 Jill Mon, 18 Aug 2008 18:31:25 +0000 http://jonathanturley.wordpress.com/?p=3397#comment-21224 I found this interesting article written by Haideh Moghissi entitled: Women, War and Fundamentalism in the Middle East. Her article seems very thoughtful. It appears to have been written close after 9/11 (not certain about that). I think she makes many good points. http://www.ssrc.org/sept11/essays/moghissi.htm I found this interesting article written by Haideh Moghissi entitled: Women, War and Fundamentalism in the Middle East. Her article seems very thoughtful. It appears to have been written close after 9/11 (not certain about that). I think she makes many good points.

http://www.ssrc.org/sept11/essays/moghissi.htm

]]> By: Jill http://jonathanturley.org/2008/08/18/afghan-justice-rape-victims-jailed-for-illegal-sexual-contacts/#comment-21223 Jill Mon, 18 Aug 2008 18:15:55 +0000 http://jonathanturley.wordpress.com/?p=3397#comment-21223 Susan, Didn't you realize that we've spread democracy there? I see you're drinking too much coffee again!!! Jill Susan,

Didn’t you realize that we’ve spread democracy there? I see you’re drinking too much coffee again!!!

Jill

]]> By: Susan http://jonathanturley.org/2008/08/18/afghan-justice-rape-victims-jailed-for-illegal-sexual-contacts/#comment-21221 Susan Mon, 18 Aug 2008 18:09:24 +0000 http://jonathanturley.wordpress.com/?p=3397#comment-21221 This barbaric treatment of women by the islamic taliban is nothing new, unfortunately, and neither is the apathy showed to them by our own Administration. If first lady Laura Bush really bought the phony bill of goods she was being sold, that "Afghan women were being opportunities to go to school and given an education," she's not nearly as intelligent as she would have us believe. And I am being extremely polite here. This barbaric treatment of women by the islamic taliban is nothing new, unfortunately, and neither is the apathy showed to them by our own Administration. If first lady Laura Bush really bought the phony bill of goods she was being sold, that “Afghan women were being opportunities to go to school and given an education,” she’s not nearly as intelligent as she would have us believe. And I am being extremely polite here.

]]> By: Ron Prochaska http://jonathanturley.org/2008/08/18/afghan-justice-rape-victims-jailed-for-illegal-sexual-contacts/#comment-21218 Ron Prochaska Mon, 18 Aug 2008 17:50:22 +0000 http://jonathanturley.wordpress.com/?p=3397#comment-21218 This one will be short and sweet. Gee, I thought women were making progress in Afghanistan. Laura "Pickles" Bush told us that after she came back from the country. The women were now being given opportunities to go to school and get an education. I know Pickles reported that after her visit. I'm sure she'll give us an explanation as to what is now happening in Afghanistan. Is my sarcasm coming through? This one will be short and sweet. Gee, I thought women were making progress in Afghanistan. Laura “Pickles” Bush told us that after she came back from the country. The women were now being given opportunities to go to school and get an education. I know Pickles reported that after her visit. I’m sure she’ll give us an explanation as to what is now happening in Afghanistan. Is my sarcasm coming through?

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