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	<title>Comments on: Potty Confusion in Personchester: Gender-Nuetral Toilets Cause Chaos at Manchester University</title>
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		<title>By: Bathroom Break: Religious Groups Launch Ad Campaign Against Transgender Potty Rule &#171; JONATHAN TURLEY</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/09/29/potty-confusion-in-personchester-gender-nuetral-toilets-cause-chaos-at-manchester-university/#comment-34280</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bathroom Break: Religious Groups Launch Ad Campaign Against Transgender Potty Rule &#171; JONATHAN TURLEY]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 13:17:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] restroom.&#8221; Running afoul of a bathroom rule has been a problem in other university towns. Gender neutral bathrooms caused chaos at Manchester University last year. The issue of transgender use of bathrooms has also [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Clare Politics &#187; The Politics of Toilets</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/09/29/potty-confusion-in-personchester-gender-nuetral-toilets-cause-chaos-at-manchester-university/#comment-25279</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Clare Politics &#187; The Politics of Toilets]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 09:17:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] have thought it could be so complicated? Unisex toilets are everywhere these days, but Manchester seems to have a new [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Cro Magnum Man</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/09/29/potty-confusion-in-personchester-gender-nuetral-toilets-cause-chaos-at-manchester-university/#comment-25271</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cro Magnum Man]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 02:44:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You&#039;re going to make me stay after school aren&#039;t you. Ok. Sorry. I was being somewhat limited in my conclusion. 

My conclusion is based on the condition the doors are reasonably close to each other. Normally men and womens rooms tend to be built fairly close to each other, sometimes seperated by a firewall, like an elevator shaft or a stairwell, and thus are within eyeshot of each other. But sometimes they are not. Sometimes they are built at opposite ends of a building. 

So if the doors are within eyeshot then my position would seem to be reasonable, however, if not, and they are not close to each other, then your position, I will reluctantly pre-concede, would be the more correct one.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re going to make me stay after school aren&#8217;t you. Ok. Sorry. I was being somewhat limited in my conclusion. </p>
<p>My conclusion is based on the condition the doors are reasonably close to each other. Normally men and womens rooms tend to be built fairly close to each other, sometimes seperated by a firewall, like an elevator shaft or a stairwell, and thus are within eyeshot of each other. But sometimes they are not. Sometimes they are built at opposite ends of a building. </p>
<p>So if the doors are within eyeshot then my position would seem to be reasonable, however, if not, and they are not close to each other, then your position, I will reluctantly pre-concede, would be the more correct one.</p>
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		<title>By: Cro Magnum Man</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/09/29/potty-confusion-in-personchester-gender-nuetral-toilets-cause-chaos-at-manchester-university/#comment-25265</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cro Magnum Man]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 22:27:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Maybe they could just put silhouettes of men and large chested women sitting on the toilets on the doors, like they did in the movie &quot;Idiocracy&quot;?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe they could just put silhouettes of men and large chested women sitting on the toilets on the doors, like they did in the movie &#8220;Idiocracy&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Cro Magnum Man</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/09/29/potty-confusion-in-personchester-gender-nuetral-toilets-cause-chaos-at-manchester-university/#comment-25263</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cro Magnum Man]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 21:47:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Of course, had the Minneapolis Airport Terminal employed such an abstract bathroom sign then at least Larry Craig could have had a quasi plausible story to support his claims of not being gay. 

He could have just said he was in the wrong bathroom because he was confused by the signs.

Then they&#039;d just have arrested him for being a Masher.

:&#124;

If there is still such a word.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course, had the Minneapolis Airport Terminal employed such an abstract bathroom sign then at least Larry Craig could have had a quasi plausible story to support his claims of not being gay. </p>
<p>He could have just said he was in the wrong bathroom because he was confused by the signs.</p>
<p>Then they&#8217;d just have arrested him for being a Masher.<br />
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<p>If there is still such a word.</p>
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		<title>By: Cro Magnum Man</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cro Magnum Man]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 21:35:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[jonathanturley 
1, September 29, 2008 at 4:52 pm 
&lt;i&gt;CMM:

A sign saying “toilets” alone is not exactly the pinnacle of clarity for anyone.&lt;/i&gt;


So you&#039;re saying that confronted with two doors, one of them saying &quot;Toilets with Urinals&quot; and the other just saying &quot;Toilets&quot;, you wouldn&#039;t be able to put that puzzle together?

You wouldn&#039;t be able to deduce that the door with the &quot;Toilets with Urinals&quot; would be the one for the boys? 

Unless the girls are unusually adept at using the &quot;stand-n-pinch&quot; method I think it would it would be apparent which was which. 

I do concede its a stupid idea and I&#039;m sure there will be mistakes, but these are after all supposed to be college kids, and therefore smarter than the average bear at least. And since I&#039;m not a college graduate, or even a college student, and I could figure it out, one would think....

:&#124;

Just sayin...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jonathanturley<br />
1, September 29, 2008 at 4:52 pm<br />
<i>CMM:</p>
<p>A sign saying “toilets” alone is not exactly the pinnacle of clarity for anyone.</i></p>
<p>So you&#8217;re saying that confronted with two doors, one of them saying &#8220;Toilets with Urinals&#8221; and the other just saying &#8220;Toilets&#8221;, you wouldn&#8217;t be able to put that puzzle together?</p>
<p>You wouldn&#8217;t be able to deduce that the door with the &#8220;Toilets with Urinals&#8221; would be the one for the boys? </p>
<p>Unless the girls are unusually adept at using the &#8220;stand-n-pinch&#8221; method I think it would it would be apparent which was which. </p>
<p>I do concede its a stupid idea and I&#8217;m sure there will be mistakes, but these are after all supposed to be college kids, and therefore smarter than the average bear at least. And since I&#8217;m not a college graduate, or even a college student, and I could figure it out, one would think&#8230;.<br />
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<p>Just sayin&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: John Galt</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/09/29/potty-confusion-in-personchester-gender-nuetral-toilets-cause-chaos-at-manchester-university/#comment-25258</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Galt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 21:05:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I find it offensive that these university officials assume that urinals would be associated with a particular sex anyway. Not stocking women&#039;s restrooms with convenient and user-friendly urinals perpetuates the sexism still permeating our society. Separate but equal is unequal to begin with....I propose bathroom desegregation- It&#039;s a matter of equality!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it offensive that these university officials assume that urinals would be associated with a particular sex anyway. Not stocking women&#8217;s restrooms with convenient and user-friendly urinals perpetuates the sexism still permeating our society. Separate but equal is unequal to begin with&#8230;.I propose bathroom desegregation- It&#8217;s a matter of equality!</p>
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		<title>By: jonathanturley</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/09/29/potty-confusion-in-personchester-gender-nuetral-toilets-cause-chaos-at-manchester-university/#comment-25257</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jonathanturley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 20:52:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[CMM:

A sign saying &quot;toilets&quot; alone is not exactly the pinnacle of clarity for anyone.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CMM:</p>
<p>A sign saying &#8220;toilets&#8221; alone is not exactly the pinnacle of clarity for anyone.</p>
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		<title>By: Cro Magnum Man</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cro Magnum Man]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 18:19:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think the real story here is a group of supposedly intelligent college students were apparently unable to figure out that the &quot;toilets with urinals&quot; were for the boys, and the &quot;just toilets&quot; were for the girls.

:&#124;

Perhaps revisting the entrance exams might be in order for the entire school.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the real story here is a group of supposedly intelligent college students were apparently unable to figure out that the &#8220;toilets with urinals&#8221; were for the boys, and the &#8220;just toilets&#8221; were for the girls.<br />
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<p>Perhaps revisting the entrance exams might be in order for the entire school.</p>
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		<title>By: Mojo</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mojo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 17:12:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh, brother (or sister)!  You were either born with a reproductive system or you weren&#039;t.  End of the confusion.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, brother (or sister)!  You were either born with a reproductive system or you weren&#8217;t.  End of the confusion.</p>
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