Yep, like you only plan to have sex solely for procreation.

Hmmm, maybe your God made homosexuals to prevent overpopulation?

“I have my own beliefs on what I think is right and you have your own.

Once you realize that, maybe you’ll grow up and quit whining so much.”

You should practice what you ‘preach’.

Conservatives …

I don’t agree with everything they say. I never said that.

But you seem to have to idea that people have to accept everything and everyone. And I don’t think I do.

I have my own beliefs on what I think is right and you have your own.

Once you realize that, maybe you’ll grow up and quit whining so much

That is just so lesbian!

But, can three or more?

KG is my favorite stand up comedian!! Great choice.

“I’m not going to lie, I listen to Glenn Beck and Rush. I love those guys.”

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Don’t worry you’ll grow out of that too! As for my news, I don’t “get it” from anyone. I prefer to read it myself from many sources and make up my own mind. TV is for the lazy and those in need of being told what to think. You don’t have time to consider what you’ve been exposed to like reading a newspaper article. I don’t like being led. Obsequiousness is really not a very attractive quality–nor particularly healthy for a democracy. Here’s a lttle test for you! Who said this:

“If a nation expects to be ignorant and free in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be.”

The “regulars” on this blog know it as one of my favorite quotations from one of my favorite persons. By the way, it is the antithesis of Rush and Beck!

Kathy Griffin on ‘Senator Larry Craig’:

There is a reason that two penis’s cannot create a child. And I’m talking about two people actually having sex, not two morons in a lab putting semen with an egg.

I’m not going to lie, I listen to Glenn Beck and Rush. I love those guys. So I think you know where I stand on a number of things.

You can go ahead and get your news from the “highly” educated Katie Couric and Campbell Brown. Oh and Charles Gibson in his “smart-looking” glasses”. It’s pretty clear to me which side of the fence you are sitting on.

Jessica,
No one on this site is against Christians having their rights and freedoms. Your problem is that you identify Christian Rights with the ability of Christians to impose their beliefs on everyone else. The irony of this is that in this respect you and your ilk seem to share similar beliefs with those in Islam who think Sharia Law should prevail.

As far as Christian rights are concerned I must tell you that as a Jew growing up in the 50′s, I resented my public school assemblies being opened up with Christian Prayers. This was a violation of my rights. Especially so because 50% of the kids in my school were Jewish.

At the moment, I can’t think of any argument for defending a neo-con against a finding of treachery and treason to benefactor; not even in an anticipatory memorandum sense.

“I think homosexuality is wrong. You’re not going to change my viewpoint at all.”

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No one is trying to convince you of anything. You have made up your mind on scant or suspect evidence and there is no saving you until you agree intellectually to discover the facts on your own without the crutch of some first century spiritualism. You are dogmatic. The point of our refutation is to convince others not so far gone, that there exists another viewpoint much better supported by the evidence than your child-like “because the Bible tells me so” approach.

By the way, I suggest you read the Bible cover to cover. I think even you will find it full of both wonderful philosophy (though not particularly original) and despicable acts of evil condoned as religion. Then we can have an adult discussion about why you believe it to be the unerring word of the omniscient, omnipotent, Creator of the Universe.

You can say what you want. I think homosexuality is wrong. You’re not going to change my viewpoint at all. You can throw all the “studies” at me that you want. They’re biased, just like the media.

Just like I’ll never change your opinion on the subject. So just get over it

Like I said, this site is just chock full of Liberals, who want rights for everyone but Christians.

2 Replys:

“Liberals”

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The Religious: People who won’t or can’t think for themselves and rely on 1st century nonsense.

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“However, regardless of how we interpret the Bible’s teachings about homosexual acts, it is important to note that the Bible does not condemn people for having homosexual tendencies.”

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Ah sorry there Aquinas, but the Bible certainly does condemn for mere tendencies:

Leviticus 19:17-18
Do not hate your brother in your heart. Rebuke your neighbor frankly so you will not share in his guilt. Do not seek revenge or bear a grudge against one of your people, but love your neighbor as yourself. I am the LORD.

Mt 5:28
But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

Just two of many examples that come to mind, but you see the Bible condemns merely for thoughts–and lust, even homosexual lust, gets special treatment. I thought you actually read this book. Like most Christians you haven’t or maybe just the parts you were told to read.

Jessica,
your statement above leads me to assume, please correct me if I’m wrong, that you are a proponent of the “Abstinence Movement.” To me this is a pernicious movement on two levels. The first is that it has been clearly shown not to work. The second is that it evinces a superficial knowledge of religious philosophy and as such might be considered blasphemous in a religious context.

Christian, Islamic and some Jewish religious leaders have emphasized sexual “sins” for centuries, while ignoring the common philosophy that serves as the true basis of those three religions.
That basic truth is found in the formulation of “Do unto others, as you would have others do unto you.” This is so because this “Golden Rule”(as Christians call it) is subversive to the social elites. Following the Golden Rule to its’ logical conclusion would require social fairness and an end to war. This would be inconvenient to those in power and put the comfort of religious leaders in peril.

It is far easier then, for religious leaders to focus on sexual sins and thereby enjoy the benefits bestowed upon them by the “powers that be.” This is why it is more convenient for many Fundamentalist Christians to focus their attentions on sexual matters and ignore the real sins. These real sins are the inequality of wealth, the use of torture and the murder of hundreds of thousands in an unneeded war. Focusing on sex also allows many wealthy Faux Christians to feel the safety of their souls, while ignoring their own sinning against the Golden Rule. I am familiar with the Gospels and the Five Books of Moses and I firmly believe that Jesus was neither a Republican, nor a conservative.

However, regardless of how we interpret the Bible’s teachings about homosexual acts, it is important to note that the Bible does not condemn people for having homosexual tendencies. It is certain actions that are prohibited by Bible teachings, not tendencies or feelings.

A boy or girl who discovers homosexual feelings should realize that, like other interests and feelings, it may be only a passing phase that will fade away in time. Meanwhile, he or she should avoid becoming obsessed with the feelings or indulging in any kind of sexual activity.

A homosexual Christian man or woman is presented with great challenges, and great strength is often achieved by learning to deal with great challenges. Perhaps God has some special mission in mind for that person that is best accomplished outside the restrictions imposed by marriage and family duties.

I would say in 8th Circle, Malebolge, and in that Circle’s subdivisions known as Bolgias (Evil Pouches) Numbers 4,5 & 8, maybe.

“If you have eaten pork you have sinned equivalently to having a homosexual relationship. Now you might say that Jesus, Paul actually, made eating pork kosher. If you use that point though then you have to take notice that Jesus never referred to homosexuality.”

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Good to “read” you back. I agree it’s an abomination to eat pork and I suggest separate high schools to accommodate the bar-b-que eating horde. I think we have that already and they call it the North Carolina School System. Jesus never talked about bar-b-que either but of course, the “true believer” knows it is a stoning offense. In our case, I hear the “stones” are hush puppies, and you get slaw with that.

Homosexuality is described as an “abomination.” The eating of pork is also described as an “abomination.” If you have eaten pork you have sinned equivalently to having a homosexual relationship. Now you might say that Jesus, Paul actually, made eating pork kosher. If you use that point though then you have to take notice that Jesus never referred to homosexuality. The trouble with those of you who try to interpret your bible by picking and choosing among statements is that in the end you wind up blaspheming the God, you pretend to follow.

Oddly enough, Neo-cons, in so much as they continually commit ‘TREASON TO BENEFACTOR’ by using the Constitution as a urinal puck, fall far lower into the depths of hell than any allegedly sinful homosexual.

BTW, I’m betting that the Big Guy doesn’t look kindly on those who aid abet and continually excuse traitors to benefactor (e.g. neo-cons).

You have a nice day.

“Some attorneys can be brutally and cryptically humorous!”

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Suffering fools silently is not my strong suit. Apologies in advance to all the buffoons out there (including me, sometimes).

“Back to the subject….Mespo, my parental unit did a fine job. Just because I am intolerant of homosexuality does not make me wrong.”

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Right, you are, of course. Your vocal stance couched as it is with tremendous intolerance and lack of understanding makes you much worse–it makes you ignorant.

I have no reason to share that resume, the power of the internet is far too great. Being that my vocal stance does make me the minority, I dont think that revealing details is warranted.

Back to the subject….Mespo, my parental unit did a fine job. Just because I am intolerant of homosexuality does not make me wrong. Most people feel the way I do, but many are fearful of the retribution from the far left.

BTW, my parent unit(s) were a man and a women, how strange? Next you’ll tell me gays can adopt children, how crazy would that be????

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Some attorneys can be brutally and cryptically humorous!

You ought to explain to the 99.9% intelligent guy what his CV is, because given the topic, he might think it is something else altogether.

“Homosexuality should not be condoned. I dont care if you do it in private, it is still wrong. Or do you feel than man on man love is beautiful??? If so, what does it produce? The answer is nothing.”
-Jason

“The only thing I have againts people being gay is that it is could prevent the perpetuation of the human species.”
-Ryan

“If you must know, I, too, believe in the sacred union of a man and a woman for the sake of procreation.”
-Sara C

Rights aren’t derived from an ability or willingness to procreate.

Should infertile men be allowed to marry fertile women? If so, what does it produce?

If society has a compelling interest in procreation, should proof of fertility be a requirement for a marriage license?

Should couples beyond child bearing age be allowed to marry?

Should vasectomies be condemned or made illegal altogether? How do they help to perpetuate the human species? Perhaps these surgeries should be legal only after a man has given society children? If so, how many children are required?

Should sex with a birth control method be allowed between married partners? If so, what does it produce?

Do single adults who fail to reproduce have value to society? Before they become older and infertile, should their behavior be corrected for the sake of procreation?

If gay marriage was outlawed in Massachusetts, would more children be born there? To whom?

“rcampbell…..I do my research…it’s called a Bible. Yes I’m a Christian and I do not condone homosexuality. It is a sin.”

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Thankfully, the Bible also enlightens us that human slavery is not a sin and is to be respected; that death comes to those who wear different threads side by side; and, my personal favorite, should you find your wife to be less than a virgin on your wedding night, return her to her parents stoop appropriately stoned by you and the community. That is roughly the same morality found in Bobby’s statement–and, as he says, it’s in the Christian Bible. Chapters & verses available upon request.

I’ll say again, you’re probably not a bad person, but you and Jason are just wrong. First of all, you’re wrong to put your holy book above intelligence or actual scientific research. That state of denial of facts puts you on roughly the same level as fundamentalist jihadist Muslims who twist their faith and their own holy book to justify their prejudices just as you are doing.

You’re right that it takes a man and a woman to produce a baby, but you’re wrong to assume that only that combination can produce love and caring and committment. Again, I suggest some research into the occurances of homosexual activity in other parts of the animal kingdom. Since humans are animals, there should be no shock that some humans, as some birds, monkeys and other mammals exhibit homosexual behavior.

“rcampbell…..I do my research…it’s called a Bible. Yes I’m a Christian and I do not condone homosexuality. It is a sin.”

Imagine if St. Augustine were as adamant as you.

“Jason is 100% correct when he says
” Homosexuality should not be condoned. I dont care if you do it in private, it is still wrong. Or do you feel than man on man love is beautiful??? If so, what does it produce? The answer is nothing.”

So, St. Augustine ignored Plato’s ‘Symposium;’ much less every work by Plato & Aristotle?

Foghorn Leghorn: “I say, I say son, do ya, do ya see just how ignorant ya sound?”

“…why can’t any tolerate the fact that I do not condone homosexuality? What’s wrong with that?”
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I must say asking us to tolerate the intolerant is certainly a new tact on this blog. Pray tell should we also believe the unbelievable, know the unknowable, and swallow the “unswallowable”?

The world is ful of people with different thoughts, opinions, beliefs, etc. We’ll never all be on the same page.

Go hug a tree

Jason is 100% correct when he says
” Homosexuality should not be condoned. I dont care if you do it in private, it is still wrong. Or do you feel than man on man love is beautiful??? If so, what does it produce? The answer is nothing.”

There is a reason it takes a man and a woman to create a child.

I’m not saying God hates gay people. We’re all sinners and we all do bad things and yet God loves us all.

>“Trust me…..

I, for one, do not.

That’s a pretty weak opening gambit in a forum inhabited by some pretty bright folks. It doesn’t bode very well for your competing with Constitutional scholars, university professors and a plethora of attornies. But, hey

>I am acutely aware how homosexuality is destroying this world.”

Well, you’ve informed us you’re smarter than 99.9% of us and we STILL don’t trust or believe you, you’ll have to do a better job of convincing us. You can start now.

You’re probably not a bad person, but you’re flat wrong on this one. Do some independent research instead of swallowing whole the garbage your church or Fox News spews out.

“Trust me, I have more knowledge and education than 99.99 % of the population and I am acutely aware how homosexuality is destroying this world.”
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Could I get a list of those schools or your CV? I have a kid applying for colleges, and I think your list would be helpful for me in steering through the sludge offered by some institutions. I wish your parental unit had done the same for you!

“lack of knowledge, education, or awareness”

Trust me, I have more knowledge and education than 99.99 % of the population and I am acutely aware how homosexuality is destroying this world. The Arabic countries got the stand on homosexuality very right….

Homosexuality should not be condoned. I dont care if you do it in private, it is still wrong. Or do you feel than man on man love is beautiful??? If so, what does it produce? The answer is nothing.

Perhaps gays need to learn to deal with the opposite sex and not run away from them. It is not that hard to do, it just takes effort.

Being gay is not fashionable. It should not be treated as such. It is wrong and should not be taught as being acceptable.

These comments come from an atheist, so dont tell me the church is clouding my judgement.

That’s the same argument as saying a woman “asks to be raped”. No one deserves abuse. Clearly the comments made on this site show ignorance to mental health issues, sexual orientation, the definition of moral behavior, and decency towards other human beings. Whatever happened to tolerance, kindness, peace and goodwill?!

She needs to take responsiblity for herself and her own actions. And to quit blaming everyone else because of a poor decision that she made

Why can’t they create a school for only straight, white, attractive people? I don’t want my kids going to school with ugly fat people, it’s not fair to them.

Please note my sarcasm

My sister was bi-sexual for a time and got beat up every single day at school in her study class of over 300 students. No one would help her – the teacher, the administration, even the principal – despite the bruising and her friends’ stories which corroborated her own. I’m sure it didn’t help that she was also getting verbal abuse at home for her sexual orientation. It got so bad that she attempted suicide. She has switched schools twice now because of similar bullying and inaction by school administrators, finally settling on an online school.

We need to teach more acceptance, and it HAS to start at home. If we can’t love our children for who they are, then what right do we have to even have children? Until the time that these kids can be more accepted, I think it’s necessary to protect them and their right to an education.

Ryan and Jason, that kind of talk doesn’t help anyone. It’s not fair to simply assume that homosexuality can be treated, nor is it fair to project your values on the whole world. People like YOU are the reason that my sister almost killed herself, that these kids need a safer place to learn.