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	<title>Comments on: Novatics:  3.5 Million Vote Margin for Bush is a Mandate But An Over 7 Million Vote Margin for Obama is No Mandate</title>
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		<title>By: Novak&#8217;s Revenge: Columnist Now Reverses Past Statements and Says That He Would Intentionally Out Valerie Plame Again &#8212; Just Because He is Angry at His Critics &#171; JONATHAN TURLEY</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/11/06/novak-35-million-margin-for-bush-is-a-mandate-but-an-over-7-million-vote-margin-for-obama-is-no-mandate/#comment-30080</link>
		<dc:creator>Novak&#8217;s Revenge: Columnist Now Reverses Past Statements and Says That He Would Intentionally Out Valerie Plame Again &#8212; Just Because He is Angry at His Critics &#171; JONATHAN TURLEY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 11:24:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] CNN and FOX have embraced him as a responsible voice from the right even after repeated cases of contradictions and on-air outbursts. As someone who has done classified work since the Reagan Administration, I [...]</description>
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		<title>By: seamus</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/11/06/novak-35-million-margin-for-bush-is-a-mandate-but-an-over-7-million-vote-margin-for-obama-is-no-mandate/#comment-28379</link>
		<dc:creator>seamus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 22:18:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Novak is a dick. Mr. super-patriot ass-clown spook-i.d.-leaking jerk-wad. Why even give this choad space on your site professor??!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Novak is a dick. Mr. super-patriot ass-clown spook-i.d.-leaking jerk-wad. Why even give this choad space on your site professor??!!</p>
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		<title>By: Buddha Is Laughing</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/11/06/novak-35-million-margin-for-bush-is-a-mandate-but-an-over-7-million-vote-margin-for-obama-is-no-mandate/#comment-28200</link>
		<dc:creator>Buddha Is Laughing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 05:47:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Raff,

No doubt it won&#039;t be boring.  I think Obama has the potential to be one if the greatest leaders in the country&#039;s history, but I also still think that Congress is still a bunch of self-serving, graft-swilling, lobbyist owned, narcissistic half-wits incapable of looking past staying in office or even upholding their oath of office.  Pelosi and McConnell, looking your direction.  

Such contrasts are the things of great comedy and/or great tragedy.

AP,

That rightist bias that existed for so long is dying out for two reasons: 1) The right wing has little appeal to the young and is increasingly perceived as the value system of angry old people.  2) Liberalism is largely a byproduct of education and as technology democratizes education, liberalism will only grow not just here, but globally.  

We may be center-right for now, but that won&#039;t last.  It won&#039;t happen overnight, but it will happen.  The right wing is more about competition and the left wing is more about cooperation.  Cooperation and the conscious decision to cooperate over competing is the path to the future because right now, as a species, we are competing the planet to death.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Raff,</p>
<p>No doubt it won&#8217;t be boring.  I think Obama has the potential to be one if the greatest leaders in the country&#8217;s history, but I also still think that Congress is still a bunch of self-serving, graft-swilling, lobbyist owned, narcissistic half-wits incapable of looking past staying in office or even upholding their oath of office.  Pelosi and McConnell, looking your direction.  </p>
<p>Such contrasts are the things of great comedy and/or great tragedy.</p>
<p>AP,</p>
<p>That rightist bias that existed for so long is dying out for two reasons: 1) The right wing has little appeal to the young and is increasingly perceived as the value system of angry old people.  2) Liberalism is largely a byproduct of education and as technology democratizes education, liberalism will only grow not just here, but globally.  </p>
<p>We may be center-right for now, but that won&#8217;t last.  It won&#8217;t happen overnight, but it will happen.  The right wing is more about competition and the left wing is more about cooperation.  Cooperation and the conscious decision to cooperate over competing is the path to the future because right now, as a species, we are competing the planet to death.</p>
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		<title>By: AP</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/11/06/novak-35-million-margin-for-bush-is-a-mandate-but-an-over-7-million-vote-margin-for-obama-is-no-mandate/#comment-28187</link>
		<dc:creator>AP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 03:24:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The Obama victory was a mandate not only because of the sheer number of electoral college votes and the popular vote margin...&quot;

Are you joking?  Since 1912 there have only been 7 elections where the winner had FEWER than Obama&#039;s 364 electoral college votes.  Did all of those presidents have mandates?  And, as far as history is concerned, Obama&#039;s &quot;win ratio&quot; of popular votes is nowhere near the top of the heap.  Just because the last two years were close doesn&#039;t mean Obama&#039;s win is some unprecedented victory.  Had the Democratic Party offered up a candidate with a fraction of Obama&#039;s charisma in 2000 or 2004, we wouldn&#039;t have had the buffoonery of the last 8 years.

Obama&#039;s victory is, at best, a mandate for change; not a mandate for the wholesale enactment of any and every Democratic policy.  Just look at the ballot measures and exiting polling on individual issues; a solid majority of Obama voters have yet to adopt even the most basic liberal ideologies.  There&#039;s certainly a migration toward the left, but, for better or worse, this is still a very center-right country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The Obama victory was a mandate not only because of the sheer number of electoral college votes and the popular vote margin&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Are you joking?  Since 1912 there have only been 7 elections where the winner had FEWER than Obama&#8217;s 364 electoral college votes.  Did all of those presidents have mandates?  And, as far as history is concerned, Obama&#8217;s &#8220;win ratio&#8221; of popular votes is nowhere near the top of the heap.  Just because the last two years were close doesn&#8217;t mean Obama&#8217;s win is some unprecedented victory.  Had the Democratic Party offered up a candidate with a fraction of Obama&#8217;s charisma in 2000 or 2004, we wouldn&#8217;t have had the buffoonery of the last 8 years.</p>
<p>Obama&#8217;s victory is, at best, a mandate for change; not a mandate for the wholesale enactment of any and every Democratic policy.  Just look at the ballot measures and exiting polling on individual issues; a solid majority of Obama voters have yet to adopt even the most basic liberal ideologies.  There&#8217;s certainly a migration toward the left, but, for better or worse, this is still a very center-right country.</p>
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		<title>By: rafflaw</title>
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		<dc:creator>rafflaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 04:30:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Buddha,
You are probably correct that some other neocon talking head will replace Novak.  I am guessing he/she will come from inside the current Bush administration.  I am sure it won&#039;t be boring around here.  Even during an Obama administration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Buddha,<br />
You are probably correct that some other neocon talking head will replace Novak.  I am guessing he/she will come from inside the current Bush administration.  I am sure it won&#8217;t be boring around here.  Even during an Obama administration.</p>
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		<title>By: Buddha Is Laughing</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/11/06/novak-35-million-margin-for-bush-is-a-mandate-but-an-over-7-million-vote-margin-for-obama-is-no-mandate/#comment-28078</link>
		<dc:creator>Buddha Is Laughing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 03:49:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>raff,

I agree, but I would like to say that while Novak in particular isn&#039;t much of a threat moving forward, we do need to watch diligently for those who would take up the cause of his masters.  He&#039;ll be replaced soon enough.  Fascism is like rust.  It never sleeps and destroys everything it touches unless neutralized.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>raff,</p>
<p>I agree, but I would like to say that while Novak in particular isn&#8217;t much of a threat moving forward, we do need to watch diligently for those who would take up the cause of his masters.  He&#8217;ll be replaced soon enough.  Fascism is like rust.  It never sleeps and destroys everything it touches unless neutralized.</p>
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		<title>By: rafflaw</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/11/06/novak-35-million-margin-for-bush-is-a-mandate-but-an-over-7-million-vote-margin-for-obama-is-no-mandate/#comment-28064</link>
		<dc:creator>rafflaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 00:52:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Obama victory was a mandate not only because of the sheer number of electoral college votes and the popular vote margin, but also because of the reach of his message into 8-10 states that have gone Republican in the past few election cycles.  I don&#039;t think we should worry about what Robert Novak is saying anymore. He has proven to be habitually wrong.  He just hasn&#039;t realized that nobody listens to his message anymore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Obama victory was a mandate not only because of the sheer number of electoral college votes and the popular vote margin, but also because of the reach of his message into 8-10 states that have gone Republican in the past few election cycles.  I don&#8217;t think we should worry about what Robert Novak is saying anymore. He has proven to be habitually wrong.  He just hasn&#8217;t realized that nobody listens to his message anymore.</p>
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		<title>By: Buddha Is Laughing</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/11/06/novak-35-million-margin-for-bush-is-a-mandate-but-an-over-7-million-vote-margin-for-obama-is-no-mandate/#comment-28053</link>
		<dc:creator>Buddha Is Laughing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 23:13:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is coming from a guy who doesn&#039;t think there is anything wrong with outing a CIA operative for political purposes either.  Consider the source.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is coming from a guy who doesn&#8217;t think there is anything wrong with outing a CIA operative for political purposes either.  Consider the source.</p>
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		<title>By: Patty C</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/11/06/novak-35-million-margin-for-bush-is-a-mandate-but-an-over-7-million-vote-margin-for-obama-is-no-mandate/#comment-28019</link>
		<dc:creator>Patty C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 17:15:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks remarkably like a mandate to moi!</description>
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		<title>By: AP</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/11/06/novak-35-million-margin-for-bush-is-a-mandate-but-an-over-7-million-vote-margin-for-obama-is-no-mandate/#comment-28015</link>
		<dc:creator>AP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 16:56:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think that Novak is even worthy of discussion.  However, I will agree that I don&#039;t think Barack Obama has any sort of mandate.  At best, President-Elect Obama has a mandate to create change.  Beyond that, I would argue that the outcome of numerous ballot measures indicate that the general population is not ready to wholesale adopt Democratic policy.

So long as this country remains starkly divided ideologically, no executive has a mandate to institute any policy he or she may wish. President Bush did not have a mandate; Barack Obama does not have a mandate.  When politicians begin tossing around words like &quot;mandate&quot; America runs an immense risk of having individual liberties demolished, as evidenced by post-9/11 American politics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think that Novak is even worthy of discussion.  However, I will agree that I don&#8217;t think Barack Obama has any sort of mandate.  At best, President-Elect Obama has a mandate to create change.  Beyond that, I would argue that the outcome of numerous ballot measures indicate that the general population is not ready to wholesale adopt Democratic policy.</p>
<p>So long as this country remains starkly divided ideologically, no executive has a mandate to institute any policy he or she may wish. President Bush did not have a mandate; Barack Obama does not have a mandate.  When politicians begin tossing around words like &#8220;mandate&#8221; America runs an immense risk of having individual liberties demolished, as evidenced by post-9/11 American politics.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 15:14:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This was posted on ThinkProgress yesterday as well:

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/11/05/novak-mandate/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was posted on ThinkProgress yesterday as well:</p>
<p><a href="http://thinkprogress.org/2008/11/05/novak-mandate/" rel="nofollow">http://thinkprogress.org/2008/11/05/novak-mandate/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 15:12:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First of all Bush never won an election to the Presidency.  I remember him in 2004 talking about how he&#039;d spend his political capital.  He spoke with such an arrogant menacing ignorance.  

I also wonder why people like Bill Kristol, who have been wrong on just about everything (most recently, wanted Palin on the ticket) and Novak keep getting print space without questions asked.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First of all Bush never won an election to the Presidency.  I remember him in 2004 talking about how he&#8217;d spend his political capital.  He spoke with such an arrogant menacing ignorance.  </p>
<p>I also wonder why people like Bill Kristol, who have been wrong on just about everything (most recently, wanted Palin on the ticket) and Novak keep getting print space without questions asked.</p>
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		<title>By: jonathanturley</title>
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		<dc:creator>jonathanturley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 15:03:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bryant:  The link at the bottom with take you to the CNN interview.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bryant:  The link at the bottom with take you to the CNN interview.</p>
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		<title>By: Bryant Denny</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/11/06/novak-35-million-margin-for-bush-is-a-mandate-but-an-over-7-million-vote-margin-for-obama-is-no-mandate/#comment-27998</link>
		<dc:creator>Bryant Denny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 14:41:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When or where did Novak make those remarks about Bush&#039;s 2004 win?  I&#039;ve looked back at his 2004 post-election articles and did not see such a claim (not that he didn&#039;t make it, I just didn&#039;t see it).

It seems to me that whoever wins a particular election has a &quot;mandate,&quot; but that mandate should be used cautiously and is always subject to the voter&#039;s speaking again. :)

Have a great day and God bless you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When or where did Novak make those remarks about Bush&#8217;s 2004 win?  I&#8217;ve looked back at his 2004 post-election articles and did not see such a claim (not that he didn&#8217;t make it, I just didn&#8217;t see it).</p>
<p>It seems to me that whoever wins a particular election has a &#8220;mandate,&#8221; but that mandate should be used cautiously and is always subject to the voter&#8217;s speaking again. <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Have a great day and God bless you!</p>
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