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	<title>Comments on: Thou Shalt Not Make Demands of the Court:  Litigants Ask for Delay of Oral Argument Pending Moment of Truth From the Court Over the Ten Commandments</title>
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		<title>By: rafflaw</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/11/17/thou-shalt-not-make-demands-of-the-court-before-oral-argument-litigants-ask-for-delay-of-oral-argument-pending-moment-of-truth-from-the-court-over-the-ten-commandments/#comment-28902</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 01:59:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mespo,
Well done.  The law of God is for your personal philosophy.  The law of the land is what all of us have to honor in our day to day lives.  Mespo put it well when he said that you will have to wait until your Judgement day to get the divine justice that people like Sharkgirl are referring to.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mespo,<br />
Well done.  The law of God is for your personal philosophy.  The law of the land is what all of us have to honor in our day to day lives.  Mespo put it well when he said that you will have to wait until your Judgement day to get the divine justice that people like Sharkgirl are referring to.</p>
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		<title>By: mespo727272</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/11/17/thou-shalt-not-make-demands-of-the-court-before-oral-argument-litigants-ask-for-delay-of-oral-argument-pending-moment-of-truth-from-the-court-over-the-ten-commandments/#comment-28897</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 01:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[SharkGirl:

Most states have done away with that silly ritual of swearing on the Bible. In Virginia we merely swear to the &quot;tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.&quot; Sometimes I see the words &quot;so help me God,&quot; but not that often. You may of course affirm to tell the truth and many people do that. Your confusion is apparently genuine but not particularly interesting since Court&#039;s rule every day on matters of religious freedom and on the separation of Church &amp; State and no one thinks that is odd. Judge&#039;s are also State or Federal employees but they rule against the government all the time. That doesn&#039;t confuse many people either since most folks realize Judges are duty bound to follow the law even if that conflicts with the interpretation of the government or certain persons&#039; interpretation of the will of the Creator of the Universe. If you want divine justice you may have to wait for an audience with Him to get it. Here on Earth you take man&#039;s justice with all its good and bad.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SharkGirl:</p>
<p>Most states have done away with that silly ritual of swearing on the Bible. In Virginia we merely swear to the &#8220;tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.&#8221; Sometimes I see the words &#8220;so help me God,&#8221; but not that often. You may of course affirm to tell the truth and many people do that. Your confusion is apparently genuine but not particularly interesting since Court&#8217;s rule every day on matters of religious freedom and on the separation of Church &amp; State and no one thinks that is odd. Judge&#8217;s are also State or Federal employees but they rule against the government all the time. That doesn&#8217;t confuse many people either since most folks realize Judges are duty bound to follow the law even if that conflicts with the interpretation of the government or certain persons&#8217; interpretation of the will of the Creator of the Universe. If you want divine justice you may have to wait for an audience with Him to get it. Here on Earth you take man&#8217;s justice with all its good and bad.</p>
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		<title>By: SharkGirl</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/11/17/thou-shalt-not-make-demands-of-the-court-before-oral-argument-litigants-ask-for-delay-of-oral-argument-pending-moment-of-truth-from-the-court-over-the-ten-commandments/#comment-28888</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 22:28:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It amazes me how people get up in arms over the Ten Commandments and God in the courts. 

I got nasty comments about my blog, mixing God and law.  Yet, when I had to give testimony, I was asked to swear before God.  Yeah...get that?  The courts in America see God as the highest authority by which we can take an oath.  Then they trash their own authority by ruling against the Ten Commandments in their courts.

Either judges and lawyers are very confused, or they are very good liars and actors.  They swear to tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth &quot;so help me God&quot; ...then they fight over the Ten Commandments in the public square.

And people think pro se litigants shouldn&#039;t be in court without a lawyer?  Goodness!  The courts are more mixed up than we are.  They should at least make a decision to either accept God as the highest form of authority, or else ditch Him all together.  You know?  Perhaps America&#039;s judicial system will stop confusing us.  Then, we&#039;ll know where we stand on God and law issues.

If the Ten Commandments aren&#039;t allowed in the public square, then why are we swearing under the authority of God before we give testimony?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It amazes me how people get up in arms over the Ten Commandments and God in the courts. </p>
<p>I got nasty comments about my blog, mixing God and law.  Yet, when I had to give testimony, I was asked to swear before God.  Yeah&#8230;get that?  The courts in America see God as the highest authority by which we can take an oath.  Then they trash their own authority by ruling against the Ten Commandments in their courts.</p>
<p>Either judges and lawyers are very confused, or they are very good liars and actors.  They swear to tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth &#8220;so help me God&#8221; &#8230;then they fight over the Ten Commandments in the public square.</p>
<p>And people think pro se litigants shouldn&#8217;t be in court without a lawyer?  Goodness!  The courts are more mixed up than we are.  They should at least make a decision to either accept God as the highest form of authority, or else ditch Him all together.  You know?  Perhaps America&#8217;s judicial system will stop confusing us.  Then, we&#8217;ll know where we stand on God and law issues.</p>
<p>If the Ten Commandments aren&#8217;t allowed in the public square, then why are we swearing under the authority of God before we give testimony?</p>
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		<title>By: pro choice lib</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/11/17/thou-shalt-not-make-demands-of-the-court-before-oral-argument-litigants-ask-for-delay-of-oral-argument-pending-moment-of-truth-from-the-court-over-the-ten-commandments/#comment-28861</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[pro choice lib]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 13:17:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here&#039;s the information the court really needs to make their decision:

From Mel Brooks&#039; &quot;History of the World, part 1&quot;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L940yIeVZzE]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s the information the court really needs to make their decision:</p>
<p>From Mel Brooks&#8217; &#8220;History of the World, part 1&#8243;<br />
<span style="text-align:center; display: block;"><a href="http://jonathanturley.org/2008/11/17/thou-shalt-not-make-demands-of-the-court-before-oral-argument-litigants-ask-for-delay-of-oral-argument-pending-moment-of-truth-from-the-court-over-the-ten-commandments/"><img src="http://img.youtube.com/vi/L940yIeVZzE/2.jpg" alt="" /></a></span></p>
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		<title>By: rcampbell</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/11/17/thou-shalt-not-make-demands-of-the-court-before-oral-argument-litigants-ask-for-delay-of-oral-argument-pending-moment-of-truth-from-the-court-over-the-ten-commandments/#comment-28857</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rcampbell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 13:09:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[.....a city park where a 10 Commandments monument already stands.



What is a monument of the Ten Commandments doing in a city park in the first place?  Same with the Supreme Court frieze.  I don&#039;t know the proper judicial protocol and I can see judges and justices not being too fond of being asked questions, but I applaud the litigant who challenged them.  The request to install the aphorisms should be seen as an equal to the installation of the Ten Commandments monument.  Namely, neither should be permitted.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;..a city park where a 10 Commandments monument already stands.</p>
<p>What is a monument of the Ten Commandments doing in a city park in the first place?  Same with the Supreme Court frieze.  I don&#8217;t know the proper judicial protocol and I can see judges and justices not being too fond of being asked questions, but I applaud the litigant who challenged them.  The request to install the aphorisms should be seen as an equal to the installation of the Ten Commandments monument.  Namely, neither should be permitted.</p>
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		<title>By: rafflaw</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rafflaw]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 12:22:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The attorneys that requested this are either very bold or very stupid.  I don&#039;t have any appellate experience, but I would guess that you do not want to get the Justices mad at you before you even have had an opportunity to plead your case in front of them.  Maybe it is just arrogance.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The attorneys that requested this are either very bold or very stupid.  I don&#8217;t have any appellate experience, but I would guess that you do not want to get the Justices mad at you before you even have had an opportunity to plead your case in front of them.  Maybe it is just arrogance.</p>
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