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	<title>Comments on: Gunn Control: Parents Demand that Porn Star Be Fired As Lunch Lady</title>
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		<title>By: Beaver Damned: Wisconsin Teacher Suspended For Picture on Facebook &#171; JONATHAN TURLEY</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/11/22/gunn-control-parents-demand-that-porn-star-be-fired-as-lunch-lady/#comment-38468</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Beaver Damned: Wisconsin Teacher Suspended For Picture on Facebook &#171; JONATHAN TURLEY]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 15:49:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Assuming that this was not an unlawful weapon, it is unclear why a teacher should be put on leave simply because someone raised concerns. However, schools are increasing punishing both students (here, here, here, and here) and teachers (here, here, for activities outside of school. This includes teachers (here, here, punished for statements on Facebook. School employees have also been targeted. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Assuming that this was not an unlawful weapon, it is unclear why a teacher should be put on leave simply because someone raised concerns. However, schools are increasing punishing both students (here, here, here, and here) and teachers (here, here, for activities outside of school. This includes teachers (here, here, punished for statements on Facebook. School employees have also been targeted. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: VictorVonDoom</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/11/22/gunn-control-parents-demand-that-porn-star-be-fired-as-lunch-lady/#comment-29364</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[VictorVonDoom]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 22:47:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What a bunch of boobs... don&#039;t people have something better to do than police our children&#039;s sex education?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a bunch of boobs&#8230; don&#8217;t people have something better to do than police our children&#8217;s sex education?</p>
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		<title>By: rafflaw</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/11/22/gunn-control-parents-demand-that-porn-star-be-fired-as-lunch-lady/#comment-29228</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rafflaw]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 19:51:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sounds like Harper Valley PTA deja vu!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like Harper Valley PTA deja vu!</p>
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		<title>By: Sally</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/11/22/gunn-control-parents-demand-that-porn-star-be-fired-as-lunch-lady/#comment-29225</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sally]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 19:34:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t see how this can disqualify her for the job. I bet that there are photos of some of these parents floating around doing keg stands, using beer bongs, and possibly some of those PTA mom&#039;s making out with other girls back in their college days. MAybe they too should be let go from their jobs.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t see how this can disqualify her for the job. I bet that there are photos of some of these parents floating around doing keg stands, using beer bongs, and possibly some of those PTA mom&#8217;s making out with other girls back in their college days. MAybe they too should be let go from their jobs.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Spindell</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/11/22/gunn-control-parents-demand-that-porn-star-be-fired-as-lunch-lady/#comment-29218</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Spindell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 17:52:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Now who was it who said &quot;Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.&quot; Selective morality inevitably leads to wanton hypocrisy. I&#039;m certain this community has a porn surfing parent somewhere who discovered Ms. Gunn&#039;s past and after some self pleasuring, began to spread the story, expressing growing indignation with each telling.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now who was it who said &#8220;Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.&#8221; Selective morality inevitably leads to wanton hypocrisy. I&#8217;m certain this community has a porn surfing parent somewhere who discovered Ms. Gunn&#8217;s past and after some self pleasuring, began to spread the story, expressing growing indignation with each telling.</p>
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		<title>By: rafflaw</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/11/22/gunn-control-parents-demand-that-porn-star-be-fired-as-lunch-lady/#comment-29216</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rafflaw]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 17:43:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[rcampbell,
It was probably just one of the parents wanting to be kept &quot;fully abreast&quot; of the staffing situation at the school.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rcampbell,<br />
It was probably just one of the parents wanting to be kept &#8220;fully abreast&#8221; of the staffing situation at the school.</p>
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		<title>By: rcampbell</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/11/22/gunn-control-parents-demand-that-porn-star-be-fired-as-lunch-lady/#comment-29215</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rcampbell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 16:55:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One wonders whether she was &quot;busted&quot; by her elemenatary school lunch mates viewing her website or previous films or whether it was one or more of the parents.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One wonders whether she was &#8220;busted&#8221; by her elemenatary school lunch mates viewing her website or previous films or whether it was one or more of the parents.</p>
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		<title>By: Buddha Is Laughing</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/11/22/gunn-control-parents-demand-that-porn-star-be-fired-as-lunch-lady/#comment-29210</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Buddha Is Laughing]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 16:14:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In an abundance of caution, I will refrain from making any &quot;mystery meat&quot; jokes.

That is all.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In an abundance of caution, I will refrain from making any &#8220;mystery meat&#8221; jokes.</p>
<p>That is all.</p>
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		<title>By: jonolan</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/11/22/gunn-control-parents-demand-that-porn-star-be-fired-as-lunch-lady/#comment-29206</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jonolan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 15:58:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mespo &amp; rafflaw,

I put the comment forth solely as possibility based on law. It is not too uncommon for ALL employees of the school system under the terms of their employment - think Employee Handbook or Rules of Conduct - to have to abide by some form of &quot;morality clause.&quot; I was commenting on the legality of the proceedings, not the morality of them - and then only as a possibility.

BuelahMan,

Sorry. I didn&#039;t try hard enough to break the link so it wouldn&#039;t hyperlink in the comment. It was meant to be for the purpose of reference and/or citation, not perusal. ;) Though she does have &lt;i&gt;some impressive arguments...&lt;/i&gt;

In general, I think the people are being overly puritanical - but where &lt;i&gt;does&lt;/i&gt; one draw the line on such things? I don&#039;t think it&#039;s such a cut &amp; dried argument as Prof. Turley makes it out to be - especially since so much of America law is enforced in the courts based on the body of legal precedents.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mespo &amp; rafflaw,</p>
<p>I put the comment forth solely as possibility based on law. It is not too uncommon for ALL employees of the school system under the terms of their employment &#8211; think Employee Handbook or Rules of Conduct &#8211; to have to abide by some form of &#8220;morality clause.&#8221; I was commenting on the legality of the proceedings, not the morality of them &#8211; and then only as a possibility.</p>
<p>BuelahMan,</p>
<p>Sorry. I didn&#8217;t try hard enough to break the link so it wouldn&#8217;t hyperlink in the comment. It was meant to be for the purpose of reference and/or citation, not perusal. <img src='http://s1.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  Though she does have <i>some impressive arguments&#8230;</i></p>
<p>In general, I think the people are being overly puritanical &#8211; but where <i>does</i> one draw the line on such things? I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s such a cut &amp; dried argument as Prof. Turley makes it out to be &#8211; especially since so much of America law is enforced in the courts based on the body of legal precedents.</p>
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		<title>By: rafflaw</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/11/22/gunn-control-parents-demand-that-porn-star-be-fired-as-lunch-lady/#comment-29204</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rafflaw]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 15:35:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with Mespo on this one. If she has been working legally in her prior(or maybe curent part time profession) how can that possibly violate a morals clause.  I would also be surprised that a lunch lady job actually required the signing of a formal contract. And as Prof. Turley suggests, who was the first parent who discovered her &quot;past&quot; and how did they find out?  I am surprised that she wasn&#039;t charged with a Gunn violation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Mespo on this one. If she has been working legally in her prior(or maybe curent part time profession) how can that possibly violate a morals clause.  I would also be surprised that a lunch lady job actually required the signing of a formal contract. And as Prof. Turley suggests, who was the first parent who discovered her &#8220;past&#8221; and how did they find out?  I am surprised that she wasn&#8217;t charged with a Gunn violation.</p>
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		<title>By: BuelahMan</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/11/22/gunn-control-parents-demand-that-porn-star-be-fired-as-lunch-lady/#comment-29195</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BuelahMan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 14:22:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[OK, Jon.

I refuse to click her link.

You almost had me.

:-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, Jon.</p>
<p>I refuse to click her link.</p>
<p>You almost had me.<br />
 <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: mespo727272</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mespo727272]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 14:20:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[jonolan:

I suspect the part-time lunch ladies contract has no morality clause but if such a clause is common throughout the school system, what say you about the morality of denying someone the right to earn living because of some prudish notion of sexuality, and especially if the offending conduct is kept away from the job and in no way impacts the performance of that job.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jonolan:</p>
<p>I suspect the part-time lunch ladies contract has no morality clause but if such a clause is common throughout the school system, what say you about the morality of denying someone the right to earn living because of some prudish notion of sexuality, and especially if the offending conduct is kept away from the job and in no way impacts the performance of that job.</p>
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		<title>By: mespo727272</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mespo727272]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 14:14:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I had no idea that the Puritans resettled to New Jersey!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had no idea that the Puritans resettled to New Jersey!</p>
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		<title>By: jonolan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jonolan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 13:18:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think your spam filter snagged my comment because it contained a - non-hyperlinked - URL.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think your spam filter snagged my comment because it contained a &#8211; non-hyperlinked &#8211; URL.</p>
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		<title>By: jonolan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jonolan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 13:15:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This issue is somewhat clouded since Ms. Tuck is still registered with PhotoClub and posting adult images on line. There is also her website, www.crystalgunns.com which she may or may not be in charge of.

I&#039;m unsure of the requirements for her employment at the D’Ippolito Elementary School, but if they include some sort of morality clause the parents may have legal reason for complaint based on her current activities as opposed to her previous work in porn.

I don&#039;t particularly like what&#039;s being done to her, but since there&#039;s current activities involved as well this &lt;i&gt;may&lt;/i&gt; not be &quot;wrong legally&quot; as you put it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This issue is somewhat clouded since Ms. Tuck is still registered with PhotoClub and posting adult images on line. There is also her website, <a href="http://www.crystalgunns.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.crystalgunns.com</a> which she may or may not be in charge of.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m unsure of the requirements for her employment at the D’Ippolito Elementary School, but if they include some sort of morality clause the parents may have legal reason for complaint based on her current activities as opposed to her previous work in porn.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t particularly like what&#8217;s being done to her, but since there&#8217;s current activities involved as well this <i>may</i> not be &#8220;wrong legally&#8221; as you put it.</p>
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