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	<title>Comments on: Proposition 8: The Musical</title>
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	<description>Res ipsa loquitur (&#34;The thing itself speaks&#34;)</description>
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		<title>By: litzell</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/12/03/proposition-8-the-musical/#comment-30473</link>
		<dc:creator>litzell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 19:18:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oops, sorry I forgot to quote the first sentence. It&#039;s Neil&#039;s, not mine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oops, sorry I forgot to quote the first sentence. It&#8217;s Neil&#8217;s, not mine.</p>
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		<title>By: litzell</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/12/03/proposition-8-the-musical/#comment-30472</link>
		<dc:creator>litzell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 19:17:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Those two sentences just don’t seem to fit. I guess living in stereotype-land is much easier than actually reading the Bible texts that master theologian Jack Black teaches about.

I spent twenty-some of my 50 years reading those books and ancillary documents and trying to integrate them into the fantasy-land my family imposed on me. I don&#039;t intend to waste any more of my short time on Earth attempting to make sense of nonsense and ancient ignorance and doing harm to myself and others in the attempting of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those two sentences just don’t seem to fit. I guess living in stereotype-land is much easier than actually reading the Bible texts that master theologian Jack Black teaches about.</p>
<p>I spent twenty-some of my 50 years reading those books and ancillary documents and trying to integrate them into the fantasy-land my family imposed on me. I don&#8217;t intend to waste any more of my short time on Earth attempting to make sense of nonsense and ancient ignorance and doing harm to myself and others in the attempting of it.</p>
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		<title>By: mespo727272</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/12/03/proposition-8-the-musical/#comment-30423</link>
		<dc:creator>mespo727272</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 05:10:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Neil:

I read it. I thought it was a tap dancing site. No addressing of the issue except to quibble with the words or completely dismiss the problem as some historical anomaly. Typical I&#039;d say for a cult bent on propagating the myth that their iron age philosophy is correct despite it&#039;s lack of rational basis. The problem with all of it is that just when you hope to pin it down, it takes another slippery turn to insure its unfalsifiablity.  

By the way, I have read the text,cover to cover, and I can assure you every form of perversion is expressly attributable to and sanctioned by the religion to which you subscribe. But then this wouldn&#039;t just be my opinion, but the opinion of most every person who approaches it with an unbiased mind free from the dogma so essential to the propping up of your value system --men like Jefferson and Thomas Paine who saw religion for the fraud most of it is. 

I have no idea what the quote in the midst of your reply refers to since they are not my words. Contrary to the usual organ backed rantings I hear in church, my comments are born or rational thought unfettered by belief that the outcome is a foregone conclusion and that I must pound the facts to fit that preconceived notion. I suppose attributing quotes to those who don&#039;t make them is indicative of the quality of your research anyway.

Lastly, I stay with my original assertion that providing you a counter-example to your foolish argument that all contradictory Bible verses are taken out of context or the result of some mistranslation is intellectual gymnastics at best, or cowardice at worst.  I still await your rebuttal to my assertion that the Christian Bible expressly approves human slavery. Like Adlai Stevenson I am prepared to wait until hell freezes over--which is just about the time it will take for you to contrive some idiocy to justify the unjustifiable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neil:</p>
<p>I read it. I thought it was a tap dancing site. No addressing of the issue except to quibble with the words or completely dismiss the problem as some historical anomaly. Typical I&#8217;d say for a cult bent on propagating the myth that their iron age philosophy is correct despite it&#8217;s lack of rational basis. The problem with all of it is that just when you hope to pin it down, it takes another slippery turn to insure its unfalsifiablity.  </p>
<p>By the way, I have read the text,cover to cover, and I can assure you every form of perversion is expressly attributable to and sanctioned by the religion to which you subscribe. But then this wouldn&#8217;t just be my opinion, but the opinion of most every person who approaches it with an unbiased mind free from the dogma so essential to the propping up of your value system &#8211;men like Jefferson and Thomas Paine who saw religion for the fraud most of it is. </p>
<p>I have no idea what the quote in the midst of your reply refers to since they are not my words. Contrary to the usual organ backed rantings I hear in church, my comments are born or rational thought unfettered by belief that the outcome is a foregone conclusion and that I must pound the facts to fit that preconceived notion. I suppose attributing quotes to those who don&#8217;t make them is indicative of the quality of your research anyway.</p>
<p>Lastly, I stay with my original assertion that providing you a counter-example to your foolish argument that all contradictory Bible verses are taken out of context or the result of some mistranslation is intellectual gymnastics at best, or cowardice at worst.  I still await your rebuttal to my assertion that the Christian Bible expressly approves human slavery. Like Adlai Stevenson I am prepared to wait until hell freezes over&#8211;which is just about the time it will take for you to contrive some idiocy to justify the unjustifiable.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/12/03/proposition-8-the-musical/#comment-30418</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 04:15:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi mespo - I gave you a link on slavery, but you ignored it and made a snide comment about why I didn&#039;t drop everything and address your off-topic comment.

&lt;blockquote&gt;I think it makes convincing arguments, too. Sorry I don’t have time to read your article picking apart the shrimp cocktail angle.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Those two sentences just don&#039;t seem to fit.  I guess living in stereotype-land is much easier than actually reading the Bible texts that master theologian Jack Black teaches about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi mespo &#8211; I gave you a link on slavery, but you ignored it and made a snide comment about why I didn&#8217;t drop everything and address your off-topic comment.</p>
<blockquote><p>I think it makes convincing arguments, too. Sorry I don’t have time to read your article picking apart the shrimp cocktail angle.</p></blockquote>
<p>Those two sentences just don&#8217;t seem to fit.  I guess living in stereotype-land is much easier than actually reading the Bible texts that master theologian Jack Black teaches about.</p>
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		<title>By: mespo727272</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/12/03/proposition-8-the-musical/#comment-30373</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 17:03:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Neil:

I suspect if you really studied the passages of your Christian Bible, you&#039;d deem it awfully &quot;gross&quot; as well. I left a couple of passages on your website which clearly advocate human slavery. Take a whack at shooting holes in them, or at least concede as Jefferson Davis did that: &quot;Slavery was established by decree of Almighty God. It is sanctioned in the Bible, in both Testaments, from Genesis to Revelation.&quot;  Old Jeff knew a thing or too about slavery since he committed treason (and thus put his life on the line) for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neil:</p>
<p>I suspect if you really studied the passages of your Christian Bible, you&#8217;d deem it awfully &#8220;gross&#8221; as well. I left a couple of passages on your website which clearly advocate human slavery. Take a whack at shooting holes in them, or at least concede as Jefferson Davis did that: &#8220;Slavery was established by decree of Almighty God. It is sanctioned in the Bible, in both Testaments, from Genesis to Revelation.&#8221;  Old Jeff knew a thing or too about slavery since he committed treason (and thus put his life on the line) for it.</p>
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		<title>By: litzell</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/12/03/proposition-8-the-musical/#comment-30372</link>
		<dc:creator>litzell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 16:52:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, I just watched the video two more times because I really enjoy it. I think it makes convincing arguments, too. Sorry I don&#039;t have time to read your article picking apart the shrimp cocktail angle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, I just watched the video two more times because I really enjoy it. I think it makes convincing arguments, too. Sorry I don&#8217;t have time to read your article picking apart the shrimp cocktail angle.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/12/03/proposition-8-the-musical/#comment-30369</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 15:54:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The shrimp / shellfish argument used in the video is full of holes but is appealing to many because so few bother to study the passages. I address five serious problems with it in &lt;a href=&quot;http://4simpsons.wordpress.com/2007/11/24/favorite-dish-of-liberal-theologians-skeptics-shellfish/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;flaws of the shellfish argument&lt;/a&gt;.

Did you notice how the sodomy depiction in the video involved a woman in back? It was as if they thought using a guy would be too gross. Seems kinda homophobic of them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The shrimp / shellfish argument used in the video is full of holes but is appealing to many because so few bother to study the passages. I address five serious problems with it in <a href="http://4simpsons.wordpress.com/2007/11/24/favorite-dish-of-liberal-theologians-skeptics-shellfish/" rel="nofollow">flaws of the shellfish argument</a>.</p>
<p>Did you notice how the sodomy depiction in the video involved a woman in back? It was as if they thought using a guy would be too gross. Seems kinda homophobic of them.</p>
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		<title>By: sherry</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/12/03/proposition-8-the-musical/#comment-30109</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 14:59:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i already had the video up. it is really clever. i sent it to friends that have a daughter just married before prop 8.

what an awful hateful law</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i already had the video up. it is really clever. i sent it to friends that have a daughter just married before prop 8.</p>
<p>what an awful hateful law</p>
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		<title>By: Bob, Esq.</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/12/03/proposition-8-the-musical/#comment-30069</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob, Esq.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 06:21:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr. Zaius Dr. Zaius 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mgl22q1pQ78</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Zaius Dr. Zaius </p>
<p><span style="text-align:center; display: block;"><a href="http://jonathanturley.org/2008/12/03/proposition-8-the-musical/"><img src="http://img.youtube.com/vi/Mgl22q1pQ78/2.jpg" alt="" /></a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Bob, Esq.</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/12/03/proposition-8-the-musical/#comment-30068</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob, Esq.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 06:20:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The movie already has a creationist/evolution theme and relevant lines such as Dr. Zaius noting: 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mgl22q1pQ78</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The movie already has a creationist/evolution theme and relevant lines such as Dr. Zaius noting: </p>
<p><span style="text-align:center; display: block;"><a href="http://jonathanturley.org/2008/12/03/proposition-8-the-musical/"><img src="http://img.youtube.com/vi/Mgl22q1pQ78/2.jpg" alt="" /></a></span></p>
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		<title>By: rafflaw</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/12/03/proposition-8-the-musical/#comment-30059</link>
		<dc:creator>rafflaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 02:53:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would expect that Cher has a prominent role in this musical??</description>
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		<title>By: MASkeptic</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/12/03/proposition-8-the-musical/#comment-30044</link>
		<dc:creator>MASkeptic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 23:00:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or as one of my gay friends put it:

&quot;We will tell our story in the language of our people.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or as one of my gay friends put it:</p>
<p>&#8220;We will tell our story in the language of our people.&#8221;</p>
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