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	<title>Comments on: Boston Police Officer Tickets Woman In Labor Trying to Get to Hospital</title>
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		<title>By: frankie</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/12/06/boston-police-officer-tickets-woman-in-labor-trying-to-get-to-hospital/#comment-45114</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 18:16:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was driving fast, heard a pissft sound and went into a spin.  My tire blew out.  I knew I was coming upon a ravine that was nearly 6 feet deep and decided to turn the wheel sharply.  I did everything wrong.  When I turn I went upside a boulder and like a ferris wheel came down on the hood of the car.  The wreck bent the hood down into the seats and the steering wheel was wrapped between my legs.  Only a small mound where my head was kept me from being smashed too.  Thanks to Jesus.  When they finally got me out with the jars of death machine, I was asked what happened and told the truth, I was speeding.  The army flew me to the hospital.  When the MP&#039;s came to see if I was alright, they gave me a ticket for speeding.  So the police could have helped the couple by getting them to the hospital and then gave them a ticket for speeding.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was driving fast, heard a pissft sound and went into a spin.  My tire blew out.  I knew I was coming upon a ravine that was nearly 6 feet deep and decided to turn the wheel sharply.  I did everything wrong.  When I turn I went upside a boulder and like a ferris wheel came down on the hood of the car.  The wreck bent the hood down into the seats and the steering wheel was wrapped between my legs.  Only a small mound where my head was kept me from being smashed too.  Thanks to Jesus.  When they finally got me out with the jars of death machine, I was asked what happened and told the truth, I was speeding.  The army flew me to the hospital.  When the MP&#8217;s came to see if I was alright, they gave me a ticket for speeding.  So the police could have helped the couple by getting them to the hospital and then gave them a ticket for speeding.</p>
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		<title>By: Jill</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/12/06/boston-police-officer-tickets-woman-in-labor-trying-to-get-to-hospital/#comment-30498</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jill]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 00:04:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That couple is lucky he didn&#039;t ask for a sperm sample to determine if Mr. Davis &quot;really&quot; was the father.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That couple is lucky he didn&#8217;t ask for a sperm sample to determine if Mr. Davis &#8220;really&#8221; was the father.</p>
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		<title>By: rafflaw</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/12/06/boston-police-officer-tickets-woman-in-labor-trying-to-get-to-hospital/#comment-30485</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rafflaw]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 22:02:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Prof. Turley hit the nail on the head when he reiterated that the officer wanted to see &quot;under the shirt&quot; of the pregnant woman because he didn&#039;t believe the couple.  I know I drove to fast whenever we had to go to the hospital for a delivery.  Although, by the fourth one, you do get a little less nervous!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Prof. Turley hit the nail on the head when he reiterated that the officer wanted to see &#8220;under the shirt&#8221; of the pregnant woman because he didn&#8217;t believe the couple.  I know I drove to fast whenever we had to go to the hospital for a delivery.  Although, by the fourth one, you do get a little less nervous!</p>
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		<title>By: mespo727272</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/12/06/boston-police-officer-tickets-woman-in-labor-trying-to-get-to-hospital/#comment-30465</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 17:12:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[sally:

&quot;They should have called 911 and informed them of their situation.
And if this woman was in that dire of a situation, she should have called an AMBULANCE.&quot;

*************

Your compassion and the uncanny knack you have for 20-20 hindsight is remarkable. I thought talking to a policemen was like calling 9-11. Wonder why he didn&#039;t call the ambulance since he obviously was going to make them wait while he wrote another motorist a ticket. Ever met an authoritarian you didn&#039;t like?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sally:</p>
<p>&#8220;They should have called 911 and informed them of their situation.<br />
And if this woman was in that dire of a situation, she should have called an AMBULANCE.&#8221;</p>
<p>*************</p>
<p>Your compassion and the uncanny knack you have for 20-20 hindsight is remarkable. I thought talking to a policemen was like calling 9-11. Wonder why he didn&#8217;t call the ambulance since he obviously was going to make them wait while he wrote another motorist a ticket. Ever met an authoritarian you didn&#8217;t like?</p>
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		<title>By: Patty C</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/12/06/boston-police-officer-tickets-woman-in-labor-trying-to-get-to-hospital/#comment-30462</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Patty C]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 16:41:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I listened to local news reports which stated that two other State Troopers waved this couple on in their pursuit to get to the hospital - of their choice. 

This guy was #3 and having a &#039;bad day&#039;. He is on everybody&#039;s MA State shit list this week- as it should be.

That citation WILL be suspended - as well as the officer. You watch!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I listened to local news reports which stated that two other State Troopers waved this couple on in their pursuit to get to the hospital &#8211; of their choice. </p>
<p>This guy was #3 and having a &#8216;bad day&#8217;. He is on everybody&#8217;s MA State shit list this week- as it should be.</p>
<p>That citation WILL be suspended &#8211; as well as the officer. You watch!</p>
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		<title>By: jonathanturley</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/12/06/boston-police-officer-tickets-woman-in-labor-trying-to-get-to-hospital/#comment-30458</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jonathanturley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 16:27:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I cannot imagine why driving erratically would excuse this officer.  First, they were in a clear emergency.  If there was a ticket to be given, then the officer should have gone to the hospital (a good idea even without a hospital) to ensure the safety of the mother and child.  Second, how does this fact change the alleged demand to see under a pregnant woman&#039;s shirt?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I cannot imagine why driving erratically would excuse this officer.  First, they were in a clear emergency.  If there was a ticket to be given, then the officer should have gone to the hospital (a good idea even without a hospital) to ensure the safety of the mother and child.  Second, how does this fact change the alleged demand to see under a pregnant woman&#8217;s shirt?</p>
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		<title>By: rafflaw</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/12/06/boston-police-officer-tickets-woman-in-labor-trying-to-get-to-hospital/#comment-30443</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rafflaw]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 15:35:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The police officer was out of line and should be disciplined for it.  I do agree with the attempt to create the facts is a also a problem. For people to be concerned with them wanting to go to a specific hospital is unwarranted.  Any new mom wants to have the baby delivered by the doctor that they have been working with for the last 9 months.  So it is natural for the expectant mother in this case to want to see &quot;her&quot; doctor.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The police officer was out of line and should be disciplined for it.  I do agree with the attempt to create the facts is a also a problem. For people to be concerned with them wanting to go to a specific hospital is unwarranted.  Any new mom wants to have the baby delivered by the doctor that they have been working with for the last 9 months.  So it is natural for the expectant mother in this case to want to see &#8220;her&#8221; doctor.</p>
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		<title>By: KevSun</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/12/06/boston-police-officer-tickets-woman-in-labor-trying-to-get-to-hospital/#comment-30430</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[KevSun]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 11:28:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ya well.....what do you expect from a highschool flunky cop! The officer should have either escorted them or called for an ambulance....easy call if you have some brains and common sense, WOW and this person carries a gun.....should be terminated, simple.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ya well&#8230;..what do you expect from a highschool flunky cop! The officer should have either escorted them or called for an ambulance&#8230;.easy call if you have some brains and common sense, WOW and this person carries a gun&#8230;..should be terminated, simple.</p>
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		<title>By: LJM</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/12/06/boston-police-officer-tickets-woman-in-labor-trying-to-get-to-hospital/#comment-30427</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LJM]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 08:23:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Speeding is driving out of control.&lt;/i&gt;

If this was true, there would be many more accidents than there are.  The fact is that most people exceed the speed limit and are technically guilty of &quot;speeding&quot; on a daily basis.  That does not mean that they are &quot;out of control.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Speeding is driving out of control.</i></p>
<p>If this was true, there would be many more accidents than there are.  The fact is that most people exceed the speed limit and are technically guilty of &#8220;speeding&#8221; on a daily basis.  That does not mean that they are &#8220;out of control.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: steadycat</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/12/06/boston-police-officer-tickets-woman-in-labor-trying-to-get-to-hospital/#comment-30414</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[steadycat]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 03:31:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We have meatheads for cops. :-(]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have meatheads for cops. <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':-(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: LarryE</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/12/06/boston-police-officer-tickets-woman-in-labor-trying-to-get-to-hospital/#comment-30410</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LarryE]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 01:47:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;nowhere in either JT’s write-up or the newspaper article does it say they were “DRIVING OUT OF CONTROL”&lt;/i&gt;

True - but this is the kind of story escalation that happens every time a cop is reported to have done something wrong or stupid. They story gets retold and embellished in ways that make the civilian in the encounter sound worse and worse so that the cop can be presented as acting not only reasonably but with restraint.

Remember the &lt;a href=&quot;http://whoviating.blogspot.com/2007/09/be-afraid-be-very-afraid.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;young woman&lt;/a&gt; with the &lt;a href=&quot;http://whoviating.blogspot.com/2007/09/another-thing-to-get-before-it-slips.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;circuit board with flashing lights&lt;/a&gt; on her shirt at Logan Airport who wound up facing a phalanx of police armed with machine guns? By the end of the first day she was regularly portrayed as &quot;acting suspiciously,&quot; as &quot;edgy&quot; and &quot;nervous,&quot; carrying &quot;a fake bomb,&quot; and &quot;trying to avoid security.&quot; None of it was true.

We see it here as in response to your comment Sally has come back with &quot;Speeding is driving out of control.&quot; But just as there no indication he was driving &quot;out of control,&quot; there is no indication in the article that he was speeding. It&#039;s just made up. It&#039;s what always happens.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>nowhere in either JT’s write-up or the newspaper article does it say they were “DRIVING OUT OF CONTROL”</i></p>
<p>True &#8211; but this is the kind of story escalation that happens every time a cop is reported to have done something wrong or stupid. They story gets retold and embellished in ways that make the civilian in the encounter sound worse and worse so that the cop can be presented as acting not only reasonably but with restraint.</p>
<p>Remember the <a href="http://whoviating.blogspot.com/2007/09/be-afraid-be-very-afraid.html" rel="nofollow">young woman</a> with the <a href="http://whoviating.blogspot.com/2007/09/another-thing-to-get-before-it-slips.html" rel="nofollow">circuit board with flashing lights</a> on her shirt at Logan Airport who wound up facing a phalanx of police armed with machine guns? By the end of the first day she was regularly portrayed as &#8220;acting suspiciously,&#8221; as &#8220;edgy&#8221; and &#8220;nervous,&#8221; carrying &#8220;a fake bomb,&#8221; and &#8220;trying to avoid security.&#8221; None of it was true.</p>
<p>We see it here as in response to your comment Sally has come back with &#8220;Speeding is driving out of control.&#8221; But just as there no indication he was driving &#8220;out of control,&#8221; there is no indication in the article that he was speeding. It&#8217;s just made up. It&#8217;s what always happens.</p>
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		<title>By: WAYNEBRO</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/12/06/boston-police-officer-tickets-woman-in-labor-trying-to-get-to-hospital/#comment-30400</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[WAYNEBRO]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 21:02:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Regardless of how they were driving, regardless of which hospital they chose to go to (women having babies usually prefer their own attending physician) and regardless of the traffic conditions the police officer here was criminally negligent.

This was a medical emergency and as soon as the officer was notified of the medical emergency he was acting negligent in detaining them further. He risked the health of the mother and even the life of the child.

The proper thing to do in such situtations is to either permit the couple to continue on their way or if he feels he just has to issue a ticket to an anxious father rushing his wife to the hospital for delivery, then he should have escorted them to the hospital, and once the mother was safely in the hands of trained medical staff, then issue the citation.

Used to be cops were smart enough (and human enough) to do that. Apparently that is no longer the case.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regardless of how they were driving, regardless of which hospital they chose to go to (women having babies usually prefer their own attending physician) and regardless of the traffic conditions the police officer here was criminally negligent.</p>
<p>This was a medical emergency and as soon as the officer was notified of the medical emergency he was acting negligent in detaining them further. He risked the health of the mother and even the life of the child.</p>
<p>The proper thing to do in such situtations is to either permit the couple to continue on their way or if he feels he just has to issue a ticket to an anxious father rushing his wife to the hospital for delivery, then he should have escorted them to the hospital, and once the mother was safely in the hands of trained medical staff, then issue the citation.</p>
<p>Used to be cops were smart enough (and human enough) to do that. Apparently that is no longer the case.</p>
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		<title>By: Sally</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/12/06/boston-police-officer-tickets-woman-in-labor-trying-to-get-to-hospital/#comment-30391</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sally]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 20:29:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Speeding is driving out of control.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speeding is driving out of control.</p>
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		<title>By: chimene</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/12/06/boston-police-officer-tickets-woman-in-labor-trying-to-get-to-hospital/#comment-30380</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[chimene]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 18:39:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[OK, these folks exhibited some poor judgment, trying to make it not to the nearest, but to a particular hospital, DURING RUSH HOUR, which the news article said they had decided would be an exception to trying to get to their favored hospital, BUT....

nowhere in either JT&#039;s write-up or the newspaper article does it say they were &quot;DRIVING OUT OF CONTROL&quot;.  Why the reporter felt it was relevant to mention the father&#039;s numerous speeding citations I don&#039;t know, but there was no indication of &quot;driving out of control&quot;!

Calling 911 would have been a good idea; are these folks the only couple in North America (besides me and my husband) who don&#039;t have a cell phone?  They could have easily called 911 from the traffic jam... if they hadn&#039;t been so distracted by their situation otherwise.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, these folks exhibited some poor judgment, trying to make it not to the nearest, but to a particular hospital, DURING RUSH HOUR, which the news article said they had decided would be an exception to trying to get to their favored hospital, BUT&#8230;.</p>
<p>nowhere in either JT&#8217;s write-up or the newspaper article does it say they were &#8220;DRIVING OUT OF CONTROL&#8221;.  Why the reporter felt it was relevant to mention the father&#8217;s numerous speeding citations I don&#8217;t know, but there was no indication of &#8220;driving out of control&#8221;!</p>
<p>Calling 911 would have been a good idea; are these folks the only couple in North America (besides me and my husband) who don&#8217;t have a cell phone?  They could have easily called 911 from the traffic jam&#8230; if they hadn&#8217;t been so distracted by their situation otherwise.</p>
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		<title>By: sherry</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2008/12/06/boston-police-officer-tickets-woman-in-labor-trying-to-get-to-hospital/#comment-30376</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sherry]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 17:37:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[wow, i take it the policeman has never seen a birth.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow, i take it the policeman has never seen a birth.</p>
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		<title>By: Sally</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sally]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 14:14:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[They should have called 911 and informed them of their situation.
And if this woman was in that dire of a situation, she should have called an AMBULANCE. Turning your flashers on and driving out of control does not make you an emergency vehicle]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They should have called 911 and informed them of their situation.<br />
And if this woman was in that dire of a situation, she should have called an AMBULANCE. Turning your flashers on and driving out of control does not make you an emergency vehicle</p>
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