FWIW, those kind of issues are usually posed to the Corrections page. Thanks for the notice. I’ll relay your message along.

“Sally was only expressing my own view and likely others, as well. ”

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Sally 1, December 17, 2008 at 10:00 am

“Of course they were expressing their opinions and I don’t see a DAMN thing wrong with it. The man deserved the ass kicking”

“Go ‘F’ yourself, BARTELEBEE/CMM/WAYNEBRO

My words are mine – alone.

You are not worth debating. In my view you are an ignorant social and intellectual moron.

I’ll thank you not to address me, further.”

Nice. Real ladylike.

But I didn’t address you.

You addressed me when you walked into a thread and started insulting me and generally slandering me out of the blue, again.

If you don’t like my ‘responses’ to your insults and slander then I suggest you stop insulting, slandering and addressing me.

It’s very very good to know that!!

I too, see him as a lonely middle aged man with nothing better to do than create strange situations and arguements!!

My words are mine – alone.

You are not worth debating. In my view you are an ignorant social and intellectual moron.

I’ll thank you not to address me, further.

“Sally was only expressing my own view and likely others, as well. ”

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Sally 1, December 17, 2008 at 10:00 am

“Of course they were expressing their opinions and I don’t see a DAMN thing wrong with it. The man deserved the ass kicking”

It is good when our governments imprison and beat us, break our bones, cripple us, for what essentially constitutes an insult in which no one was harmed.

That’s democracy that we can live with.

p.s. Bartlebee/Cmm/WayneBro/BARTLEBEE/CMM/WAYNEBRO etc
is Google ‘doesn’t care’, Zipper-head…

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Patty C 1, December 17, 2008 at 5:29 pm

I regard you as a pest – nothing more.
^^^

Once again, as before:

‘Sally was only expressing my own view and likely others, as well.

As much as people may have enjoyed watching the ‘Incoming’ shoe missile aimed at Bush’s head, it was kinda stupid because HE ended up on the ‘wrong end of the stick’, as it were.

Bush deserves our derision, yet, it seems he is never the one to suffer…

… so far…

Stay tuned, Sally.’

“Sally was only expressing my own view and likely others, as well. ”

Sally 1, December 17, 2008 at 10:00 am

“Of course they were expressing their opinions and I don’t see a DAMN thing wrong with it. The man deserved the ass kicking”

Sally was only expressing my own view and likely others, as well.

As much as people may have enjoyed watching the ‘Incoming’ shoe missile aimed at Bush’s head, it was kinda stupid because HE ended up on the ‘wrong end of the stick’, as it were.

Bush deserves our derision, yet, it seems he is never the one to suffer…

… so far…

Stay tuned, Sally.

“Al Zaida was scheduled to appear in court today for the first hearings of charges against him for this weekend’s shoe toss. But Iraqi officials did not let him appear and his family is very worried about what this means:

The Iraqi journalist who threw his shoes at United States President George W. Bush has appeared before a judge in his jail cell because he is too injured to appear in a courtroom, his brother says.

The al-Zaidi family went to Baghdad’s Central Criminal Court expecting to attend a hearing, his brother, Dhargham, said.

He said the family was told that the investigative judge went to see al-Zaidi in jail, and to return in eight days, Associated Press has reported.

“That means my brother was severely beaten and they fear that his appearance could trigger anger at the court,” Dhargham said.

Please take time today to call the White House at 202-456-1111 and the Iraqi Embassy at (202) 742-1600 and Iraqi Consulate office at 202-483-7500 and ask that his safety be protected.”

See Patty doesn’t like debate. Patty doesn’t debate. What she does is insult a persons life, background and education while exalting herself to the status of “chat room queen”.

Notice she doesn’t attack my position. She just launches her own diatribe of personal insults and blather about how superior she is.

You two should get a room.

There’s something to defend.

Waynebro fancies himself a ‘future-former member of the
‘High School Debate Team’. Problem is, he never made it through
high school. He quit and now proudly holds a GED…

In my experience, the only reason he shows up here is to pester and harass. He has delusions of granduer and that there is a market for his personal ‘debate site’ and he wants to use some of ‘us’ as his hand-picked’judges’-like HE could be in charge of ANYTHING…!!!

In his warped mind, if he can succeed in engaging us ‘turlees’ in dialogue, somehow this elevates his position in ‘The World’.

Observe the baseball cap and the graying beard…

Ignore him. He enjoys ‘lighting fires in hallways’, if you know what I mean.

Believe me when I say, it’s not worth your/our time or aggravation. He’s well know, kiddo, but Jill seems to like him – a LOT…!!!

Even Bush brushed this incident off, and only the most die hard neoconservative could say this little Nazi Germany era leftover;

Sally 1, December 17, 2008 at 10:00 am

“Of course they were expressing their opinions and I don’t see a DAMN thing wrong with it. The man deserved the ass kicking”

As for “proving myself to you”, I don’t even know you, nor want to know you. What I am doing is addressing your reichstag rants about a man who right now as we are typing, is lying in his own blood for a simple little thing. As I said earlier, Seig Heil Sally. You earned it.

“Many people are beaten up in prison for things they’ve done. From rapists to murder’s to child molestors, heck even a drug dealer or a habitual DUI offender.

When you go to jail for something that people in the jail find offense with, getting beat up can happen.

Here in Indiana, a man kidnapped, raped, and killed a little 9 yr old girl named Katie”

Right now a man is laying in serious condition, arm broken, ribs broken, face kicked in, because he tossed a shoe at Bush.

And you use a man who raped, kidnapped and killed a 9 year old as a comparison.

You may have Jill buying your “disagreement” concept but not me.

You’re condoning a senseless act of the worst type of brutality there is, that is the brutality of beating a defenseless prisoner, and likening this GOOD MAN, this “JOURNALIST”, with a child molester.

Well he’s not a child molester, and your twist that it was the “other prisoners” who beat him is more horsesh$t. Perhaps you can convince Jill that prisoners being held in an IRAQI PRISON by US Appointed Officials were just sooooooooo broken up that Bush was insulted that they chose to beat one of their fellow inmates, but the rest of us know that it wasn’t the prisoners who beat this guy.

People rotting in US backed Iraqi prisons aren’t exactly Bush fans, so its a good thing Jill believes your horse manure, because I see right through you.

Thank you for responding so honestly. For me, it is impossible to justify beating up someone because they insulted the president, be he bush or obama. The man was not beaten at the scene, he was beaten up in the custody of law enforcement officers who are sworn to uphold the rule of law, not to beat people up. We obviously will not come to agree on this issue but again, I appreciate the clarification of your position.

A bit of perspective:

http://www.democracynow.org/2008/6/13/citing_iraq_war_renowned_attorney_vincent

I was insulted by what he did to our president. I would be insulted if someone did that to any other president of our country. It’s an insult to our country. I think the man did deserve getting beat up. And of course the secret service is going to jump him like dogs on a piece of raw meat, they didn’t know what it was that he threw. I expect that kind of reaction for ALL of our country’s presidents.

“Secondly, saying that “people are going to do things”, does this mean we should stand by silently or do we need to oppose our govt. when it does something illegal?”

Our government didn’t beat the guy up, his own people did. If the President of Iraq came to our country and someone threw a shoe at him, the chances of that person getting beat up in our own jail is slim. I would still think that that was a disrepectful thing to do to another country’s president, even though they HATE us. There’s no sense in adding fuel to the fire.

But as I said earlier, if someone threw a shoe shining kit at Obama, then when that person lands themselves in jail, they’re going to have to face some tough questions from other prisioners.

Basically, don’t act in a manner that you know could turn around and bite you in the end, regardless of what point you are trying to prove

I’m just claifying with you. Earlier you said, “he deserved the ass-kicking”. Do you still feel that way?

Secondly, saying that “people are going to do things”, does this mean we should stand by silently or do we need to oppose our govt. when it does something illegal?

I do agree with you that he and any other law breaker deserves a fair trial and the such.

But not everyone agrees with that and people are going to do things, regardless if it’s moral or not. It’s just the way the world is.

Not one of these actions should be acceptable to you as a citizen of a democratic nation. You said, “The man deserved the ass kicking”. Saying he deserved an ass kicking is not worthy of a person who believes in the rule of law and democracy. I’ll even agree with you that under the lawless govt. we have now and have installed in Iraq, it was likely this man would be beatened and tortured. That doesn’t make it right, it doesn’t make it something he deserved. We have to band together as citizens to oppose any govt., including our own, that is lawless and feels it’s o.k. to torture and abuse prisoners.

This is not connected to the exercise of free speech. A person who has been accused or convicted of a crime should be treated in accord with the rule of law, nothing more and nothing less.

Many people are beaten up in prison for things they’ve done. From rapists to murder’s to child molestors, heck even a drug dealer or a habitual DUI offender.

When you go to jail for something that people in the jail find offense with, getting beat up can happen.

Here in Indiana, a man kidnapped, raped, and killed a little 9 yr old girl named Katie. When he was sent to prison, he was attacked and severely beaten. His attackers carved the name of the little girl into his forehead, as a reminder of what he did. Wouldn’t you say that those who attacked the man were letting him know how they felt about him?

Sally,

I thought this is what you believed. Here’s why I stronly disagree with you. If you remember, President Regan was shot at. The person who did this was taken into custody, WAS NOT BEATEN, and was GIVEN A LAWYER.

This is a sign of a functional democracy and justice system. We are not a govt. of vigilanties, but of law. It worries me that you accept the beating and torture of another person and feel he “deserved the ass kicking”. This should not be tolerated in a democracy which should hold to the rule of law. Citizens of a democracy should demand a democratic response to the throwing of the shoes. That is: arrest, an atty. and a trial.

We have gone far away from a democracy in this country. As citizens, we must stop supporting lawlessness and demand a lawful society.

Merry Christmas to you too sweetie!!

If you were to attend the funeral for a friends son who died in a reckless motorcycle accident, would you console your friends by saying “hey, what did your son expect when he pulled that wheelie”?

Would you comfort a scantily clad woman who had been raped by telling her “hey, wearing clothes like that what did you expect”?

And if your son or daughter got caught throwing rocks through the neighbors windows and the old man living their came out with a baseball bat and beat your kid senseless, breaking his arm, ribs, and smashing his face in, would you tell your kid as you rushed him to the hospital “hey, what did you expect”?

Would you declare to the police “the old man was just expressing his opinion to my son”?

And by the way, your “tells” are clear. See “ass kicking” is a lowbrow word for brutality.

This man’s had his arm broken, his ribs broken, his nose broken and was beaten within an inch of his life. This man was mercilessly beaten, and yet Volksturm like yourself can merely label it a “deserved ass kicking”. I hope someone expresses their “opinions” to you and yours this holiday season too, since you are so fond of it. You indeed are identical in ideology to the German citizen’s who propped up Hitler and the 3rd Reich.

But as you said, you’re no Nazi. You’re just the HausFrau polishing their boots.

Merry Reichstag to you Berlin Betty, and may you have a Happy New Tausend Jahr Reich.

“Of course they were expressing their opinions and I don’t see a DAMN thing wrong with it. The man deserved the ass kicking”

That’s more like it my little Volksturm, that’s more like it.

Seig Heil to you too.

What if a person threw a shoe shining kit at Obama? That would be a huge insult. The person who would do such an act would also be getting themselves an ass kicking in jail as well.

This whole story as nothing to do with Germany when Hilter reigned, so quite comparing apples to oranges

“So by me saying that if a person takes a stand for something they believe in and that they should understand that there could be consequences for their actions, I’m a nazi?”

Well since you’re so caught up on twisting words, where did I say you were a Nazi? I said you were of the same mindset as the “German People” who shouted “Seig Heil as the staff cars drove slowly by”.

I compared your mindset to that of the citizens of Germany, not the Nazi’s themselves so if you want to cry about word twisting you can start with your own twisting of my words.

As for what you said, you also apparently twist your own words as well, so lets clear that up right now. Here’s what you said.

Sally 1, December 16, 2008 at 11:17 pm

“And those that beat him up were also simply expressing their opinions and views as well”.

So we see you didn’t just say as you try to present now, that merely he should “expect consequences”.

No. That’s your strawman this morning to try and cover up what you said last night.

What YOU said, was that the people who beat him up were “simply expressing their opinions and views”.

What you said effectively excuses the actions of those mercilessly beating this unarmed defenseless prisoner half to death.

They were NOT “simply expressing their opinions and views”.

They were mercilessly beating a defenseless prisoner.

Just like the Nazi’s did in Pre War Nazi Germany. And like the GERMAN CITIZEN’s who either looked the other way or made excuses for their actions, like you did by comparing an act of extreme merciless violence to “expressing ones views”.

THAT’S what you said.

Makes perfect sense.

I love how you twist my words.

I never said he deserved it. I said what did he expect?

If a PETA supporter throws paint on a person wearing a fur coat, there’s going to be consequences for that action.

That’s simply all I’m saying

“And don’t compare me to a Nazi when you don’t know a darn thing about me.”

I beg to differ. I know a “darn” thing or two about you based on the opinions you chose to profess in here.

And I also know a great deal about Nazi Germany.

And based on your opinion that the “people” as you put it who beat this man half to death, who actually were the Iraqi authorities sympathetic to the US, were “just expressing their opinion”, you clearly show yourself to be of the same mindset of the German citizens of Pre War Nazi Germany.

See those citizens were fine with seeing a Jewish child torn from his mother, and his mothers head caved in with a rifle butt.

That was ok with them. As long as it wasn’t “their kids”.

And you’re fine with this person being beaten, bones broken and shattered, and tossed in a cage for merely making a symbolic protest. You consider HIS beating, merely folks “expressing their opinion”, as you yourself said repeatedly now.

However should someone beat one of your kids you’re tucking in, or one of your family members, well, then it’s a different story.

Just like it was for the citizens of pre War Nazi Germany, who stood by and made excuses as they watched Jewish citizens beaten and arrested before their very eyes.

“And the man’s act wasn’t symbolic as much as it was moronic.”

No, what’s moronic is the common lack of understanding about the middle east by so many people commenting on it, like you.

For example, the “sole of the shoe” is a SYMBOLIC insult in Arab culture, something you obviously do not know.

Look buddy, it’s late. I just got my kids to bed and I am going to bed myself. I don’t have time to argue with a lonely middle aged man somewhere in the USA.

Goodnight.

I stand by what I said. Quit twisting my words, it’s just not working for you!

“Waynebro

If someone leader like Putin or some other fool tried to come into our country and harm my family, I can guarantee you that I can find something a hell of a lot more damaging to throw at them than a shoe. And I wouldn’t get caught either”

Or are you saying only when YOUR friends and family and country are invaded should their be retribution? When others friends and family and country is invaded by us, they should roll over and submit to our will?

If someone leader like Putin or some other fool tried to come into our country and harm my family, I can guarantee you that I can find something a hell of a lot more damaging to throw at them than a shoe. And I wouldn’t get caught either

And the man’s act wasn’t symbolic as much as it was moronic.

And don’t compare me to a Nazi when you don’t know a darn thing about me.

“And those that beat him up were also simply expressing their opinions and views as well”.

As I said, you’d have fit right in in 1938 Berlin.

When you can compare a man being beaten half to death, crippled by the beating, with a PURELY SYMBOLIC ACT, you reveal yourself to be little more than one of the mindless citizens who tossed their hands into the air and yelled “Seig Heil, Seig Heil!” as the staff cars drove slowly by.

I hope you have the opportunity to have someone “express” themselves to you one day, so you can make excuses for them too.

The fact is is that if you’re going to stand your ground about something you believe in, then you better be damn prepared to accept the consequences of your actions

“Basically, a person had better be ready to face the consequences of their actions, especially if they feel that strongly about something”

He tossed a shoe in a symbolic act. Even if the shoe had struck Bush it would not have done any damage.

Meanwhile this poor man has suffered his ribs broken, his hand smashed and broken, and was beaten severely while he’s being held like a caged animal for a mere symbolic act.

People who can compare such acts or speak so coldly on such a horrific brutal act would have made great candidates for citizenry in 1938 Germany. In fact, they would have fit right in.

That is not pertinent whatsoever to the analogy.

Your response however makes it clear you are incapable of answering the question, because you know the answer defeats your one sided thinking.