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	<title>Comments on: Putting Down Stakes:  Catholic High School Fires Teacher for Marrying Divorced Man</title>
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		<title>By: test</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Sep 2010 21:54:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I went to CCHS.  Aks about Mueller, &quot;The Chloroform Kid&quot; and Fitzsimmons, who screwed up a student&#039;s life so badly the State of Texas put the man to death.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I went to CCHS.  Aks about Mueller, &#8220;The Chloroform Kid&#8221; and Fitzsimmons, who screwed up a student&#8217;s life so badly the State of Texas put the man to death.</p>
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		<title>By: JR</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JR]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 10:27:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mary Ann,

You asked; &quot;I wonder what Christ would say about the Church’s own hypocrisy …&quot;

Since when has the Catholic church cared for anything that Christ said...?

That&#039;s why they make their own rules.  The Catholic Church has never been a Christian church. To be a Christian you have to follow Christ.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mary Ann,</p>
<p>You asked; &#8220;I wonder what Christ would say about the Church’s own hypocrisy …&#8221;</p>
<p>Since when has the Catholic church cared for anything that Christ said&#8230;?</p>
<p>That&#8217;s why they make their own rules.  The Catholic Church has never been a Christian church. To be a Christian you have to follow Christ.</p>
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		<title>By: Catholic Church Ordered to Reinstate Teacher Fired for Adultery &#171; JONATHAN TURLEY</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2009/01/01/putting-down-stakes-catholic-high-school-fires-teacher-for-marrying-divorced-man/#comment-35840</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Catholic Church Ordered to Reinstate Teacher Fired for Adultery &#171; JONATHAN TURLEY]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 13:47:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Mary Ann</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2009/01/01/putting-down-stakes-catholic-high-school-fires-teacher-for-marrying-divorced-man/#comment-33674</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mary Ann]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 21:12:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Having taught in school quite similiar to this one, there are many underlying issues to take into consideration.  My questions focus on the other people involved in a global sense.  As I stated in my blog post on this same article, I find it very hard to believe that there isn&#039;t one teacher in the entire school who is not divorced.  Going further, are there any non-teaching staff that are divorced?  If the Church considered divorce immoral and those who commit this act as immoral, then should the church accept monetary donations from these individuals?  

Going to the student body: Those boys are having premarital sex, are they being expelled?  Those using drugs, are the being expelled? Drinking underage? How many come from divorced homes, are they being expelled because their parent remarried?  Yet, the school still happily and willingly takes money, in the form of tuition and etc. from these people. Do they accept endowments, trusts or the like from alums who are divorced?

I can assure you that the answers to all of these questions are no.

The Church has a simple philosophy - Do as I say, not as I do.  This is the reason why Catholics are leaving the Church in droves and fewer and fewer young men are interested in joining a brotherhood plagued by sexual scandal all the while preaching from the pulpit that we need to be Christ-like?

I wonder what Christ would say about the Church&#039;s own hypocrisy ...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having taught in school quite similiar to this one, there are many underlying issues to take into consideration.  My questions focus on the other people involved in a global sense.  As I stated in my blog post on this same article, I find it very hard to believe that there isn&#8217;t one teacher in the entire school who is not divorced.  Going further, are there any non-teaching staff that are divorced?  If the Church considered divorce immoral and those who commit this act as immoral, then should the church accept monetary donations from these individuals?  </p>
<p>Going to the student body: Those boys are having premarital sex, are they being expelled?  Those using drugs, are the being expelled? Drinking underage? How many come from divorced homes, are they being expelled because their parent remarried?  Yet, the school still happily and willingly takes money, in the form of tuition and etc. from these people. Do they accept endowments, trusts or the like from alums who are divorced?</p>
<p>I can assure you that the answers to all of these questions are no.</p>
<p>The Church has a simple philosophy &#8211; Do as I say, not as I do.  This is the reason why Catholics are leaving the Church in droves and fewer and fewer young men are interested in joining a brotherhood plagued by sexual scandal all the while preaching from the pulpit that we need to be Christ-like?</p>
<p>I wonder what Christ would say about the Church&#8217;s own hypocrisy &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: jonolan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jonolan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 12:28:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jericho,

As gets pointed out to me on regular basis when I defend morality-based decisions, such things as Right and Wrong have little or no place in the Law, and the Law (especially constitutional law) is the focus of Prof. Turley&#039;s blog.

The Catholic church has the constitutionally guaranteed right to hire and fire people based on their moral views. It&#039;s called freedom o religion. The only way that it would be &quot;right&quot; under the law as I understand it to force them to keep her or pay her reparations would be if the school in question was receiving public funding, something which is quite doubtful.

Mercie,

Was the man&#039;s previous marriage annulled by the Church or by some secular authority? If it was not annulled by the church, then that annulled is meaningless to the church.

Although that begs the follow-up question, was his previous marriage conducted within the church in the fist place? If it wasn&#039;t, then it was invalid / nonexistent insofar a church doctrine is concerned and therefor would remove any standing for complaint against LaFortune under Canon law.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jericho,</p>
<p>As gets pointed out to me on regular basis when I defend morality-based decisions, such things as Right and Wrong have little or no place in the Law, and the Law (especially constitutional law) is the focus of Prof. Turley&#8217;s blog.</p>
<p>The Catholic church has the constitutionally guaranteed right to hire and fire people based on their moral views. It&#8217;s called freedom o religion. The only way that it would be &#8220;right&#8221; under the law as I understand it to force them to keep her or pay her reparations would be if the school in question was receiving public funding, something which is quite doubtful.</p>
<p>Mercie,</p>
<p>Was the man&#8217;s previous marriage annulled by the Church or by some secular authority? If it was not annulled by the church, then that annulled is meaningless to the church.</p>
<p>Although that begs the follow-up question, was his previous marriage conducted within the church in the fist place? If it wasn&#8217;t, then it was invalid / nonexistent insofar a church doctrine is concerned and therefor would remove any standing for complaint against LaFortune under Canon law.</p>
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		<title>By: Jericho</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jericho]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 12:01:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Religious organizations are often based on a type of discriminating beliefs.&quot;

Love and peace for everyone!
Marrying a divorced man? No love for you!

People this hypocrite/retarded belong in a mental institution.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Religious organizations are often based on a type of discriminating beliefs.&#8221;</p>
<p>Love and peace for everyone!<br />
Marrying a divorced man? No love for you!</p>
<p>People this hypocrite/retarded belong in a mental institution.</p>
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		<title>By: Mercie</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mercie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 2009 21:36:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The classic part is that the marriage was in fact actually annulled!  Sounds like you married a winner lady.  (Just kidding.)  The school acted totally out of line.  She seems like a good teacher who the children loved.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The classic part is that the marriage was in fact actually annulled!  Sounds like you married a winner lady.  (Just kidding.)  The school acted totally out of line.  She seems like a good teacher who the children loved.</p>
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		<title>By: rafflaw</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rafflaw]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 2009 16:50:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mespo,
Right on.  I think that LaFortune should use the Catholic Archbishop defense.  That seems to work for them every time!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mespo,<br />
Right on.  I think that LaFortune should use the Catholic Archbishop defense.  That seems to work for them every time!</p>
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		<title>By: mespo727272</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mespo727272]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 2009 15:52:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[“We have very clear policies on what we expect from Catholic people on our faculty, and there has been a violation of that. When a person does something that is obviously contrary to everything that our Catholic school stands for, we cannot just look through our fingers.”

*************

I&#039;m with Brother Pontolillo. Now when can we fire all those Bishops who covered up sexual abuse by priests. Let&#039;s start with Cardinal Bernard Law!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“We have very clear policies on what we expect from Catholic people on our faculty, and there has been a violation of that. When a person does something that is obviously contrary to everything that our Catholic school stands for, we cannot just look through our fingers.”</p>
<p>*************</p>
<p>I&#8217;m with Brother Pontolillo. Now when can we fire all those Bishops who covered up sexual abuse by priests. Let&#8217;s start with Cardinal Bernard Law!</p>
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		<title>By: jonolan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jonolan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 2009 14:19:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Once can hope that LaFortune loses her suit. EOC regulation do not and should not apply to religious organization if they contravene the moral doctrine of those organizations. &lt;i&gt;I believe we have an amendment in constitution that guarantees such things.&lt;/i&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once can hope that LaFortune loses her suit. EOC regulation do not and should not apply to religious organization if they contravene the moral doctrine of those organizations. <i>I believe we have an amendment in constitution that guarantees such things.</i></p>
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