Comments on: Six-Year-Old Girl Killed on Electric Fence of Neighbor in Texas

By: john

john — Mon, 30 Jan 2012 14:47:58 +0000

By: john

john — Mon, 30 Jan 2012 14:47:22 +0000

she shouldent have been playin on the dam fence

By: turdy

turdy — Thu, 10 Nov 2011 13:19:03 +0000

poo poo

By: W. J.

W. J. — Fri, 10 Dec 2010 02:46:14 +0000

Apparently this man had previous issues with people respecting his property, so much so that he didn't think about amps or anything elese but to try and address the problem. I have a similar problem with a rental problem with people jumping over my fence. As soon I fix it back up, a few days later, it is down again. I am prepared to put up a barb wire fence. My question is: It is legal to put up a barb wire fence in a residental area? Are there laws that state what kind of fence you can put up or what kind of material thatyou have to use for your fence? Where can I go to get laws concerning fences, etc. in Texas? w.J.

By: Zanzsa

Zanzsa — Tue, 07 Dec 2010 20:14:51 +0000

People are oh so quick to talk about the situation despite the fact they don’t have all of the information. It’s been almost two years and everyone is still looking to lay blame somewhere. The parents were NOT notified that the fence had been erected. The fence was not even placed on the neighbors property but just off on the back line. The fence was intentionally rigged wrongfully and without warning signs. Furthermore the children were being watched when the incident happened and no, they never crossed the property line into the neighbors yard. Had the parents known the fence was there the children would never have been allowed to play on the very back of the property. Just because one might think a situation or scenario is safe doesn’t mean it always is. The circumstances were uncontrollable for the childs family but not for the neighbors who also had small children at the time. This situation could have just as easily happened to one of their children as well. The oly difference is the neighbors knew the fence was there and improperly hooked up.

By: Zanzsa

Zanzsa — Tue, 07 Dec 2010 19:56:32 +0000

I would just like to point out that not only is half of the information incorrect but also that her name is spelled wrong its “Sierra Rein Clark”.

By: Randall

Randall — Fri, 12 Nov 2010 13:43:42 +0000

I agree a little with both Xtreme and Jim. The electric fence is supposed to keep people out and animals in, not kill them. At the same time, my neighbors, past and present , had very young children who were taught never to go near the fence. They never did, but would only have received a nasty fright if they had… they would still be alive. I think that putting something like 20 amps on the fence could make the fence owner criminally liable… Maybe he has never had a shocking experience himself before, or perhaps he was just plain stupid! Either way, he might be used as an example to others not to do something as drastic as that.

Steve

By: Jim

Jim — Thu, 11 Nov 2010 13:54:57 +0000

I do agree that 20 amps in a little high.
But what was the person doing on his property?
Has anyone here addressed that question?
Private property means just that, “PRIVATE PROPERTY”.
That is exactly why the owner is NOT IN JAIL!
The parents are guilty of the child’s death because THEY DIDN’T
CONTROL THE CHILD.
Any person who owns a dog is responsible for that dogs actions.
Not so for a child?
Put blame where blame is due.
I believe the parents should be charged for child endangerment.

By: Randall

Randall — Sat, 28 Aug 2010 11:28:01 +0000

Just to add to my previous post – Last Saturday, sitting in my back garden, a head appeared at the top of the wall. The fence was switched on and one of the brats friends told him to be careful or he would get a shock. Someone else suggested he cut the wire. If he had done that, the security firm would have been alerted. If the fence was not there, or switched off, he would have been over in a flash, and, who knows, if there was nobody home, what would have been stolen. Maybe my throat would be cut by now and I would not be posting this item! A plain wall, and even palisade fencing, on its own does very little to discourage unwanted visitors. However, the fence should NEVER be lethal to animals OR humans. Someone that makes his fence lethal should be shot, let alone imprisoned!

By: xtreme

xtreme — Fri, 27 Aug 2010 02:16:10 +0000

This is unbelievable. I am a fence contractor and there is no need to electrify your fence whatsoever. The purpose for a fence is to either (a)keep animals from escaping your yard….(b)Prevent unwanted people in your yard…..or (c)privacy. I don’t think electrically charging your fence with 20AMPS falls into any of those categories. He should be charged for murder.

By: Randall Botha

Randall Botha — Sat, 31 Jul 2010 14:39:00 +0000

I agree that people irresponsibly putting idiotic high currents on fences around their properties should be severely blistered! However, as to the necessity of electric fences, if you live anywhere in South Africa without one, you have an enormously high risk of your house being broken into, and maybe even worse, being bumped off! Don’t believe everything they tell you about how crime disappeared during the world cup. The crime was there!!! Just use fences that are non-lethal. The fence I have will not kill anyone, but certainly make him wish it had!!

Steve

By: Nancy Swanson

Nancy Swanson — Sat, 03 Jul 2010 05:45:14 +0000

I’ve been trying to find some definitive law re electric fences in California, that cause injuries. Does anyone out there know where it can be find. I’ve been through the California Codes and found nothing. Thanks.

By: edward

edward — Sun, 14 Mar 2010 04:06:18 +0000

Let me clarify a few things. I live in a residential neighborhood in Texas and I have an electric fence due to being broken into twice in one month. I have an electric fence energizer intended for livestock and rated for 5 acres of property even though my lot is only 3/4 of an acre. My fence energizer plugs into a 110 volt outlet and utilizes 10watts of electricity at this voltage, about 1/11 amps. The energizer converts this to 10,000 volts, at an extremly low amperage, and pulses ONCE every second, unlike the 50 to 60 pulses a second of regular 110 volt electricity. Also, the energizer’s pulses on last a duration of a few millionths of a second, giving you plenty of time to get the heck away from the fence before it zaps you again. Typical ac current supplied to your house is constant, which prevents you from controling your muscles and getting away from the electricity. And to explain the reason for 10,000 volts, the higher voltage allows electricity to travel down possible miles of fence, through an animals fur or humans skin, to jump over rubber soled shoes, and travel back trough the soil that has low electrical conductivity to the energizer. So I think John McKirdy was right when he posted his comment above about it being improper.

By: philip

philip — Tue, 02 Mar 2010 03:58:20 +0000

i believe it goes both ways and by the way don’t talk about Texas unless you live here. On the subject at hand though the person who installed the fence should be held liable if he didn’t follow the dircetions on the kit he bought or especially if he just jerry rigged it to work with no one checking his work that was lickenced. On the other hand there should have been a regular fence in front of the fence or at least the childs parents should have talked about putting one up with the neighbors and asking him to turn off the fence until they put one up. That is if they even did talk to there neighbor or have plans to put it up. I don’t know the whole story. Sad to say but both there faults for not doing there jobs as responsible adults. That is why we call it a property line. If the fence was marked like it should have been then it should be the parents fault for not watching there child. I love kids but like the other person said some people forget to watch the most important thing on the planet to them and this is what happens when they do so. I personally am about to put a fence up and notify my neighbors because their children keep harrasing my dog and try to get him to jump to the top of the fence now that he can i have to put up one because i am in fear that my dog will jump over the fence and get hit by a car. My dog is like a son to me, and this is all because of poor parenting on my neighbors behalf. My sympathy goes out to the family and hope that if they did talk to the neighbor about the fence and have a plan for a regular fence that they get through this horibble time and eventually find peace. However if they failed to talk or have a plan to put a regular fence up then look in the mirror it is just as much your fault as it is your neighbors. I don’t know the whole story so please do not think i am cold hearted i have to put two views only because of the lack of information in the article.

By: Scott Clark

Scott Clark — Fri, 22 Jan 2010 06:56:47 +0000

I am the father of Sierra Clark and the moter wasn’t watching the kids. The homeowner told them there was an electric fence, not that it was that powerful but that there was an electric fence there. My daughter had to pay the price for her mothers irresponsibility. I loved my daughter very much and stil have not gotten over this yet and have been unable to catch either one of the two to get my hands on them.. They will both have to pay for this one day in the eyes of the lord. RIP baby I love you and Miss you so very much.

By: Victor

Victor — Thu, 07 Jan 2010 21:58:27 +0000

I’m getting ready to install an electric fence in my own yard, in a residential neighborhood. In reply to the person asking why one would be needed in a residential neighborhood, let me explain my situation. I have an aviary. Unfortunately, cats of neighbors who let their cats run wild love to harrass my birds. So I’m putting up an electric fence for them. Current is 1/16 amp.

To Mr. Turley: it is not the voltage that is the problem. It’s the current. Just to illustrate, when you drag your feet across the carpet and then zap someone with a small spark, the voltage involved is thousands of volts. But it’s a small current.

By: John McKirdy

John McKirdy — Mon, 17 Aug 2009 10:11:19 +0000

At 110V, 20A sounds like the fence was hooked straight onto mains, rather than using an electric fence device. That means his fence was effectively an exposed (uninsulated) mains conductor, which is of course illegal anywhere.

By: Kathrine James

Kathrine James — Tue, 30 Jun 2009 01:06:35 +0000

Kid shouldn’t have been out there by the damn fence. People now a days never watch their kids. He probably got sick of yelling at them to get out of his yard everyday (like I have to) and put up a fence. Let this be a warning to parents who are too busy watching t.v. to watch their kids.

By: Bobbie

Bobbie — Sat, 13 Jun 2009 06:13:43 +0000

Sorry in a town called Weston.

By: Bobbie

Bobbie — Sat, 13 Jun 2009 05:46:08 +0000

I live in a called Weston in West Virginia and my neighbor just put an electric fence right on the property line in a residential neighberhood where I live, because my dogs keep going in there yard. I baby sit kids who cannot read a sign saying do not touch electrical fence. I think they should be made to take it down.

By: Patty C

Patty C — Sat, 03 Jan 2009 06:09:31 +0000

Rafflaw, I think you miscontrue. Texas does have safety codes
- commercial, residential, and rural. I know it’s hard to believe, but the entire State is not totally backward!

I suspect the homeowner never applied for a permit, as required by local ordinance.

I suspect the homeowner installed the fence by himself, or had it done on the side and/or, likewise, never notified his insurance company upon its completion, much less the Town…

By: rafflaw

rafflaw — Sat, 03 Jan 2009 05:43:29 +0000

This is one more example why Texas is one place that I will never set foot in, if I can help it. If there are no codes restricting the amount of amperage or if the city did not inspect properly, the city officials should be held liable along with the property owner. This is an atrocious example of an idiot allowed to threaten the lives of children and pets throughout the neighborhood. I hate Texas.

By: Patty C

Patty C — Fri, 02 Jan 2009 22:23:24 +0000

Coverage could be troublesome.

I doubt there was a permit, proper installation, or inspection. Properly grounded UL controllers emit a maximum charge
not exceeding 1/10 of a second.

mespo, I believe TX has fully completed its adoption of the International Residential Code which includes the NEC.

By: waynebro

waynebro — Fri, 02 Jan 2009 20:52:12 +0000

I think you’re right. I know there was something somewhere that said how much amperage farmers where we lived could use for electrifying fences. It might even have been something the BLM came up with.

By: mespo727272

mespo727272 — Fri, 02 Jan 2009 18:51:27 +0000

waynebro:

I thought there was such a provision under BOCA, but I can’t seem to find it. It may be under the National Electrical Code.

By: waynebro

waynebro — Fri, 02 Jan 2009 18:28:23 +0000

I believe there are laws dictating maximum amperage for electric fences. It probably varies from area to area and maybe its not dictated in all regions but I seem to recall my dad telling me when I was young that 5 AMPS was the max allotted amperage in a residential community. 5 AMPS is enough to turn a cow around.

By: Mike Appleton

Mike Appleton — Fri, 02 Jan 2009 18:12:19 +0000

I believe that mespo hit the nail on the head. This should be a strict liability case. The fact that the law does not prohibit electric fences in residential neighborhoods does not eliminate the common law rule duty to refrain from creating a condition which places innocent persons at risk of suffering serious injury or death. Firing up an electric fence to 20 amps is per se negligence, which is just another way of saying that anyone with half a brain would not do it. The owner’s insurance company will likely offer to pay the policy limits without a lawsuit ever being filed, but a child is needlessly dead.

By: Sally

Sally — Fri, 02 Jan 2009 16:55:49 +0000

I agree completely Mespo, something to that effect should definitely be done!!

By: mespo727272

mespo727272 — Fri, 02 Jan 2009 15:59:35 +0000

Sally:

You’re right to worry about the recovery. Typical homeowner coverage is only $100,000.00, and this won’t begin to compensate the victim’s family. I suggest a legislative remedy limiting such fences and the amount of power they can hold with a criminal sanction. If that fails, I suspect the parents may move to enjoin the homeowner under a theory of public nuisance or even strict liability since in does involve the harnessing of electricity which is an abnormally dangerous activity at this power level and a classic strict liability setting.

By: Mojo

Mojo — Fri, 02 Jan 2009 14:05:13 +0000

Unbelievable that somebody could be that negligent. I’ve been around electrified fences, often used to keep everything from larger cattle to smaller goats inside the property boundaries (as well, I suppose, as to keep predators away from livestock) and these low powered fences can give you enough of a jolt that you’re not too inclined to grab the wire a second time, but they should never be powered with a lethal amount of juice. That somebody would set up an electrified fence with this much power running through it, and that there may be other such fences on other properties, is very disturbing.

As Sally mentioned, if there isn’t one already, there ought to be a law.

By: Sally

Sally — Fri, 02 Jan 2009 13:26:15 +0000

Why does a person need an electric fence in a neighborhood? And what was the man’s purpose for having it set at 20 amps?

If the family sues the man, does his homeowners insurance cover this? No amount of money is going to make them as happy as their child did. Maybe they should also push for tougher laws on electric fences. What a tragic loss for that family.