Comments on: Christ Hospital: New Jersey Hospital Throws Dead Baby Into The Trash http://jonathanturley.org/2009/01/08/missing-body-of-christ-hospital-new-jersey-hospital-throws-out-8-month-old-body-of-baby-in-the-trash/ Res ipsa loquitur ("The thing itself speaks") Wed, 25 Nov 2009 02:49:39 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: Mike Spindell http://jonathanturley.org/2009/01/08/missing-body-of-christ-hospital-new-jersey-hospital-throws-out-8-month-old-body-of-baby-in-the-trash/#comment-34215 Mike Spindell Sat, 10 Jan 2009 17:07:08 +0000 http://jonathanturley.org/?p=6902#comment-34215 FFLEO, The funny thing is that I'm a moderately observant Jewish Deist, so we're probably not that far apart religiously. However, I have done a lot of reading about other religions and respect them for the basic philosophy of all, which Christian's know as The Golden Rule and to Jew's as Rabbi Hillel's Formulation. It really does serve as the basis of most religions and is a strong philosophical statement when applied to the questions of life. I find it annoying that religious zealots of all stripes ignore their own religious tenets in the service of their bigotry and lust for secular power. The anti-Abortion Movement in this country is really nothing about the well being of children and all about the repression of women and human sexuality. It appals me the ignorance of their own teachings that these faux religionists exhibit. A great contribution that you have made to this site is showing that there is a different, more authentic, conservative belief that represents nothing like the faux conservative bilge that is spewed by people using its' cover to gain personal advantage. If the US is ever going to shed its current malaise it will take people of integrity from both sides of the political spectrum to reach consensus and provide real change. FFLEO,
The funny thing is that I’m a moderately observant Jewish Deist, so we’re probably not that far apart religiously. However, I have done a lot of reading about other religions and respect them for the basic philosophy of all, which Christian’s know as The Golden Rule and to Jew’s as Rabbi Hillel’s Formulation. It really does serve as the basis of most religions and is a strong philosophical statement when applied to the questions of life.

I find it annoying that religious zealots of all stripes ignore their own religious tenets in the service of their bigotry and lust for secular power. The anti-Abortion Movement in this country is really nothing about the well being of children and all about the repression of women and human sexuality. It appals me the ignorance of their own teachings that these faux religionists exhibit.

A great contribution that you have made to this site is showing that there is a different, more authentic, conservative belief that represents nothing like the faux conservative bilge that is spewed by people using its’ cover to gain personal advantage. If the US is ever going to shed its current malaise it will take people of integrity from both sides of the political spectrum to reach consensus and provide real change.

]]> By: Former Federal LEO http://jonathanturley.org/2009/01/08/missing-body-of-christ-hospital-new-jersey-hospital-throws-out-8-month-old-body-of-baby-in-the-trash/#comment-34059 Former Federal LEO Fri, 09 Jan 2009 19:21:32 +0000 http://jonathanturley.org/?p=6902#comment-34059 Regarding the reply to YA’LL... Give ‘em heck Mike S.! Although I am completely irreligious, I enjoy reading beliefs of religious people who successfully rebut the hypocrisies of people of extreme faith who often corrupt and further harm the goodwill intent of many faith-based philosophies/religions. Regarding the reply to YA’LL…

Give ‘em heck Mike S.!

Although I am completely irreligious, I enjoy reading beliefs of religious people who successfully rebut the hypocrisies of people of extreme faith who often corrupt and further harm the goodwill intent of many faith-based philosophies/religions.

]]> By: Mike Spindell http://jonathanturley.org/2009/01/08/missing-body-of-christ-hospital-new-jersey-hospital-throws-out-8-month-old-body-of-baby-in-the-trash/#comment-34058 Mike Spindell Fri, 09 Jan 2009 19:04:38 +0000 http://jonathanturley.org/?p=6902#comment-34058 It's irrelevant to me that the baby was one hour, one day or nine months old. The hospital's actions in not allowing the family to choose what to do with the child was totally unacceptable and reflects the callousness with which health care is provided in our country. Single Payer Now. I say this as one who has been blessed with excellent health insurance that has kept me alive thus far and who will not personally benefit from health care reform. however, I worry about my children, grandchildren and all the other American citizens who have not been as lucky as myself. It’s irrelevant to me that the baby was one hour, one day or nine months old. The hospital’s actions in not allowing the family to choose what to do with the child was totally unacceptable and reflects the callousness with which health care is provided in our country. Single Payer Now. I say this as one who has been blessed with excellent health insurance that has kept me alive thus far and who will not personally benefit from health care reform. however, I worry about my children, grandchildren and all the other American citizens who have not been as lucky as myself.

]]> By: Mike Spindell http://jonathanturley.org/2009/01/08/missing-body-of-christ-hospital-new-jersey-hospital-throws-out-8-month-old-body-of-baby-in-the-trash/#comment-34056 Mike Spindell Fri, 09 Jan 2009 18:59:37 +0000 http://jonathanturley.org/?p=6902#comment-34056 YA'ALL WERE DUPED, Ya'all are so ignorant it's appalling. No doubt in your presumed "Right to Life" beliefs, abortion is bad, but death penalty, torture, Iraq Murders and failure to provide health care for children is good and moral. You have a right to practice your religious beliefs, just don't interfere with mine. Perhaps too, you should study the Gospels and what Jesus actually said and believed, rather than Revelations, which is not in the spirit of Jesus. Then you might realize that Jesus was trying to found a religion based on loving and caring for one's neighbor, rather than the hatred and fear spewed by your religious leaders. Ya'All don't have a clue as to what your religion is about, because you'd rather have it interpreted for you by frauds such as Dobson, Falwell, Hagee and Robertson, rather than puzzle it out for yourself as Martin Luther advised, based on Jesus' wisdom. Finally, Ya'all Jesus was categorically against divorce so how come you Red State conservative types have far greater divorce rates than us liberals. YA’ALL WERE DUPED,
Ya’all are so ignorant it’s appalling. No doubt in your presumed “Right to Life” beliefs, abortion is bad, but death penalty, torture, Iraq Murders and failure to provide health care for children is good and moral. You have a right to practice your religious beliefs, just don’t interfere with mine. Perhaps too, you should study the Gospels and what Jesus actually said and believed, rather than Revelations, which is not in the spirit of Jesus. Then you might realize that Jesus was trying to found a religion based on loving and caring for one’s neighbor, rather than the hatred and fear spewed by your religious leaders. Ya’All don’t have a clue as to what your religion is about, because you’d rather have it interpreted for you by frauds such as Dobson, Falwell, Hagee and Robertson, rather than puzzle it out for yourself as Martin Luther advised, based on Jesus’ wisdom. Finally, Ya’all Jesus was categorically against divorce so how come you Red State conservative types have far greater divorce rates than us liberals.

]]> By: YA'ALL WERE DUPED http://jonathanturley.org/2009/01/08/missing-body-of-christ-hospital-new-jersey-hospital-throws-out-8-month-old-body-of-baby-in-the-trash/#comment-33919 YA'ALL WERE DUPED Thu, 08 Jan 2009 23:14:36 +0000 http://jonathanturley.org/?p=6902#comment-33919 Now if they had just aborted it, it would have just been a FETUS and nobody on the left would have given it a thought...... Now if they had just aborted it, it would have just been a FETUS and nobody on the left would have given it a thought……

]]> By: Sally http://jonathanturley.org/2009/01/08/missing-body-of-christ-hospital-new-jersey-hospital-throws-out-8-month-old-body-of-baby-in-the-trash/#comment-33899 Sally Thu, 08 Jan 2009 20:15:58 +0000 http://jonathanturley.org/?p=6902#comment-33899 If it's not human, then just what the hell is it? A puppy? A skeleton that happens to have skin and organs? This story is very upsetting. I could not imagine going through what this poor woman is going through. Somebody screwed up BIG time on this one If it’s not human, then just what the hell is it?
A puppy? A skeleton that happens to have skin and organs?

This story is very upsetting. I could not imagine going through what this poor woman is going through.

Somebody screwed up BIG time on this one

]]> By: jonathanturley http://jonathanturley.org/2009/01/08/missing-body-of-christ-hospital-new-jersey-hospital-throws-out-8-month-old-body-of-baby-in-the-trash/#comment-33880 jonathanturley Thu, 08 Jan 2009 14:54:13 +0000 http://jonathanturley.org/?p=6902#comment-33880 Good point and that is probably what Mespo was getting at and I missed it. Good point and that is probably what Mespo was getting at and I missed it.

]]> By: foo http://jonathanturley.org/2009/01/08/missing-body-of-christ-hospital-new-jersey-hospital-throws-out-8-month-old-body-of-baby-in-the-trash/#comment-33878 foo Thu, 08 Jan 2009 14:45:50 +0000 http://jonathanturley.org/?p=6902#comment-33878 Conventionally, one starts counting a baby's age from the date it comes out of the mother. When a baby is born, we don't consider it to be 9 months old, we say it's one day old, although technically it can be considered 9 months old. Given the facts presented above, it would be conventional to say the baby was X days old. Conventionally, one starts counting a baby’s age from the date it comes out of the mother. When a baby is born, we don’t consider it to be 9 months old, we say it’s one day old, although technically it can be considered 9 months old.

Given the facts presented above, it would be conventional to say the baby was X days old.

]]> By: mespo727272 http://jonathanturley.org/2009/01/08/missing-body-of-christ-hospital-new-jersey-hospital-throws-out-8-month-old-body-of-baby-in-the-trash/#comment-33875 mespo727272 Thu, 08 Jan 2009 14:15:21 +0000 http://jonathanturley.org/?p=6902#comment-33875 JT: "... eight-month-old baby ..." I think we have an eight DAY old baby, hence the dispute over whether the child was still-born or not. I note with interest that the a hospital spokesman says "the institution is praying for the baby's family." I had no idea an "institution" could pray, or apparently even "care." JT:

“… eight-month-old baby …”

I think we have an eight DAY old baby, hence the dispute over whether the child was still-born or not. I note with interest that the a hospital spokesman says “the institution is praying for the baby’s family.” I had no idea an “institution” could pray, or apparently even “care.”

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