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	<title>Comments on: Assaulted Walmart Greeter Sues Police Officer and Chattanooga Police Department</title>
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		<title>By: CHLIDREN TAKEN AWAY FROM PARENTS AFTER THEY GET PIC OF THEIR KIDS IN THE TUB DEVOLOPED &#124; Dy&#039;er Hear?</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2009/02/05/assaulted-walmart-greeter-sues-police-officer-and-chattanooga-police-department/#comment-160926</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CHLIDREN TAKEN AWAY FROM PARENTS AFTER THEY GET PIC OF THEIR KIDS IN THE TUB DEVOLOPED &#124; Dy&#039;er Hear?]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Sep 2010 19:35:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: mr.ed</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2009/02/05/assaulted-walmart-greeter-sues-police-officer-and-chattanooga-police-department/#comment-37992</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mr.ed]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 22:31:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I  wonder if this will change any police behavior, as they seem to consider themselves victimized by complainants, who are always embarrassing them by pointing out how many times they&#039;ve allegedly screwed up by either going too far in apprehension or too little ignoring the small stuff such as abandoned cars or by not wearing seat belts. They tend to be self-righteous and above the law, part of a tight-knit brotherhood of ignorance. Just my observation over the years.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I  wonder if this will change any police behavior, as they seem to consider themselves victimized by complainants, who are always embarrassing them by pointing out how many times they&#8217;ve allegedly screwed up by either going too far in apprehension or too little ignoring the small stuff such as abandoned cars or by not wearing seat belts. They tend to be self-righteous and above the law, part of a tight-knit brotherhood of ignorance. Just my observation over the years.</p>
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		<title>By: Jill</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2009/02/05/assaulted-walmart-greeter-sues-police-officer-and-chattanooga-police-department/#comment-37965</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jill]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 17:59:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is when I really wish the Dept. heads had to pay part of the settlement from their own pockets.  I see this stuff all the time.  Supervisors are rarely punished for knowingly allowing the most egregious behavior to continue.  They need to feel a financial pain as well--then they will take abuses in the workplace very seriously.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is when I really wish the Dept. heads had to pay part of the settlement from their own pockets.  I see this stuff all the time.  Supervisors are rarely punished for knowingly allowing the most egregious behavior to continue.  They need to feel a financial pain as well&#8211;then they will take abuses in the workplace very seriously.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Spindell</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2009/02/05/assaulted-walmart-greeter-sues-police-officer-and-chattanooga-police-department/#comment-37961</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Spindell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 17:55:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[FFLeo,
  You raise a valid point. Clearly even $10 million dollars worth of damage wasn&#039;t done and the LEO should lose his job. As a non-lawyer it seems to me that the idea is that that if the punishment for egregious government behavior is large enough, it will encourage government or corporate entities to reform themselves. Also too, the promise of large fees would encourage lawyers to take on these cases against larger, richer entities. When it comes to corporate reform I think the jury is still out about the effectiveness of the tactic.

When it comes to government reform, I think it doesn&#039;t work to change anything. Even if Chattanooga is forced to lay out $10 mil, past history has I think shown that reform will not result, nor will the officer be dismissed. While it should be every citizens right to sue, I think we need to come up with more creative ways to curb government excess than torts. On a personal level though I&#039;d like to see the old guy get his $10 mil just as an object lesson, even though I don&#039;t think it will go far to convince voters that a change in PD behavior is needed.  

You and I, having worked in bureaucracy are probably both aware of how a loss of the suit would generally be handled. A procedure would be written, required training would take place and with the wink of top grade leaders eyes, the grunts would know nothing has changed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FFLeo,<br />
  You raise a valid point. Clearly even $10 million dollars worth of damage wasn&#8217;t done and the LEO should lose his job. As a non-lawyer it seems to me that the idea is that that if the punishment for egregious government behavior is large enough, it will encourage government or corporate entities to reform themselves. Also too, the promise of large fees would encourage lawyers to take on these cases against larger, richer entities. When it comes to corporate reform I think the jury is still out about the effectiveness of the tactic.</p>
<p>When it comes to government reform, I think it doesn&#8217;t work to change anything. Even if Chattanooga is forced to lay out $10 mil, past history has I think shown that reform will not result, nor will the officer be dismissed. While it should be every citizens right to sue, I think we need to come up with more creative ways to curb government excess than torts. On a personal level though I&#8217;d like to see the old guy get his $10 mil just as an object lesson, even though I don&#8217;t think it will go far to convince voters that a change in PD behavior is needed.  </p>
<p>You and I, having worked in bureaucracy are probably both aware of how a loss of the suit would generally be handled. A procedure would be written, required training would take place and with the wink of top grade leaders eyes, the grunts would know nothing has changed.</p>
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		<title>By: Former Federal LEO</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2009/02/05/assaulted-walmart-greeter-sues-police-officer-and-chattanooga-police-department/#comment-37954</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Former Federal LEO]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 17:14:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mespo et al.

I am sure many nonprofessionals have pondered why PI attorneys and others always seem to ask for astronomical amounts of compensation in cases such as this.  Is it a case of “well, it doesn’t hurt to ask for the moon and we will accept what we get, maybe 1/2 of the $21 million or less?  Please explain the legal reasoning here.  No life was lost and a 71-year-old man could never have made that much money in his lifetime of work.  

I am for this man suing the Department and I want the LEO to lose his job and perhaps receive a criminal charge; however, law-abiding citizens will pay the real tab for the officer’s ill-tempered actions and the Department’s failure to punish him properly.

Thanks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mespo et al.</p>
<p>I am sure many nonprofessionals have pondered why PI attorneys and others always seem to ask for astronomical amounts of compensation in cases such as this.  Is it a case of “well, it doesn’t hurt to ask for the moon and we will accept what we get, maybe 1/2 of the $21 million or less?  Please explain the legal reasoning here.  No life was lost and a 71-year-old man could never have made that much money in his lifetime of work.  </p>
<p>I am for this man suing the Department and I want the LEO to lose his job and perhaps receive a criminal charge; however, law-abiding citizens will pay the real tab for the officer’s ill-tempered actions and the Department’s failure to punish him properly.</p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: MASkeptic</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MASkeptic]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 16:03:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ok so, I think $21 million is a bit much but I agree that this is an excellent example of the propper use of a tort.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok so, I think $21 million is a bit much but I agree that this is an excellent example of the propper use of a tort.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Spindell</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2009/02/05/assaulted-walmart-greeter-sues-police-officer-and-chattanooga-police-department/#comment-37933</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Spindell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 15:58:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank God for Torts Law. Let&#039;s hope that the inroads made to limit it won&#039;t preclude a rational judgment in this case.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank God for Torts Law. Let&#8217;s hope that the inroads made to limit it won&#8217;t preclude a rational judgment in this case.</p>
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		<title>By: Jill</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2009/02/05/assaulted-walmart-greeter-sues-police-officer-and-chattanooga-police-department/#comment-37929</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jill]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 15:55:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is like keeping on all those &quot;good people&quot; at the banks and other financial institutions.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is like keeping on all those &#8220;good people&#8221; at the banks and other financial institutions.</p>
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		<title>By: Buddha Is Laughing</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Buddha Is Laughing]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 13:41:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good for him.  I hope he gets every dime.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good for him.  I hope he gets every dime.</p>
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