Comments on: Schiavo Mediterranean Style: Italy Halts Effort to Terminate Woman in Vegetative State

By: CEJ

CEJ — Wed, 11 Feb 2009 07:24:52 +0000

Eluana Englaro died February 9th; I wish her family peace and love.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/article5697099.ece

I don’t understand the Vatican’s position in this case as the Catholic tradition has been the patient or proxy has the right to make the final decision regarding refusal/withdrawal of health care.
http://www.domcentral.org/study/kor/forgoing.htm

By: C.L.

C.L. — Tue, 10 Feb 2009 03:38:20 +0000

I think those who wonder whether a brain-dead person is “alive” enough to warrant pumping nutrients into their inactive tissue should perform the following experiment:
(I had to do this for biology lab in college and it really taught me the meaning of “life”)
Remove the heart of a frog. Place the heart in a liquid sugar solution. It will continue to beat forever (I watched it for 2 hours and it didn’t even slow down) so long as it has sugar. The heart will use the sugar to sustain itself.
Every other tissue of the body operates the same way. Once you don’t have a brain, and thus can’t experience the world, your tissues are just another mass of cells.
At least the Italian government admits something to the effect of, “We recognize that these tissues are no more significant than a frog’s excised heart, but our religion tells us that the only moral action is to provide sugar forever and watch it beat.”

By: Bron98

Bron98 — Mon, 09 Feb 2009 19:59:28 +0000

the wishes of the family and patient are the only thing that matters.
The Schiavo case was in my mind a little less clear, there was no living will and the parents were willing to take care of her. Although different in both cases the state is/was interfering in a private matter.

The right to die is a fundamental right that the state has no business being involved with.

By: MASkeptic

MASkeptic — Mon, 09 Feb 2009 18:22:18 +0000

Well at least the prime minister is clear that he feels that a womans most important function is to be ‘in the condition to have babies’. Presumably if she was sterile he, and the vatican, would retract their objections.

By: Mike Spindell

Mike Spindell — Mon, 09 Feb 2009 16:50:59 +0000

So Silvio Berlusconi doesn’t want to be Pontius Pilate? What part of stupid analogy doesn’t this man get? This is a bloated right wing media baron from the Murdoch School of bad journalism, who has managed through no merit of his own to get himself elected again. His policies benefit those in his social class and little else. The Romans were effective, cultureless thugs who produced the ancient equivalent of having “the trains run on time.” Yet in the Renaissance the brilliance of Italian culture flourished and has benefited us all. Italy is a land of great culture, but I think the thousands of years of bad governance has caused such cynicism among the populace that they really don’t believe it’s fixable. Given this they elect a clown like Berlusconi because they think he’s fun.

By: Buddha Is Laughing

Buddha Is Laughing — Mon, 09 Feb 2009 13:06:57 +0000

Italy, Italy, Italy. I see you’re still grappling with science all these years after not learning the lesson of Galileo.

No brain activity = dead. Um . . . period. A body is a piece of meat without a brain.

You know, for all your sanitation and civics and roads and former military might, it’s been pretty much down hill for Italy since Marcus Aureilius ran things, hasn’t it? Shall we look in brief?

The Crusades.
The Borge’s.
The de Medici’s.
The Inquisition.
Mussolini.
The Mob.
A different form of government almost EVERY YEAR since the end of WWII.

Whatever was in the Italian water that made good leaders? It has obviously been missing for some time.

So again, no brain activity = dead.

Babies don’t have squat to do with it. Technically you can do the same thing in a petri dish.

You know, being that the Italian government is also brain dead I’d wonder if they’d been taking lessons from our Senate, but that list above suggests the common sense train left the Italian Government Station long before our boys lost their minds.

Good luck, Italy. You need it.

On the plus side, don’t mess with Tuscany. Tuscany is just fine.