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	<title>Comments on: Los Angeles City College Sued Over Christian-Based Presentation in Speech Class</title>
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		<title>By: сео</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2009/02/15/los-angeles-city-college-sues-over-christian-based-presentation-in-speech-class/#comment-306376</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Dec 2011 18:52:10 +0000</pubDate>
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[...]Los Angeles City College Sued Over Christian-Based Presentation in Speech Class &#171; JONATHAN TURLEY[...]...]]></description>
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<p>[...]Los Angeles City College Sued Over Christian-Based Presentation in Speech Class &laquo; JONATHAN TURLEY[...]&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Debra Girard</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Debra Girard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jul 2011 23:57:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have taught English overseas, and required my students to write a two page report in English- any subject.  I received a very anti semitic and ill informed report, that I simply refused to accept.  I told the student why, and told him to use another subject, which he eventually  did, but he did stir up some controversy at the school, and I had to explain to my supervisor why I would not accept his paper, which was filled with hatred and flat out lies.  I felt like chewing this kid&#039;s head off for such a hateful report, but I was firm, but cool.  It probably cost me my job, because in Eastern Europe they have a casual attitude about racism and anti semitism.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have taught English overseas, and required my students to write a two page report in English- any subject.  I received a very anti semitic and ill informed report, that I simply refused to accept.  I told the student why, and told him to use another subject, which he eventually  did, but he did stir up some controversy at the school, and I had to explain to my supervisor why I would not accept his paper, which was filled with hatred and flat out lies.  I felt like chewing this kid&#8217;s head off for such a hateful report, but I was firm, but cool.  It probably cost me my job, because in Eastern Europe they have a casual attitude about racism and anti semitism.</p>
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		<title>By: icfny.com</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Mar 2010 03:31:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;strong&gt;Presentation of errors in the dating friends...&lt;/strong&gt;

This article deals with some of the biggest disadvantages of having a woman as men. This article is based on differences in thinking between the sexes. People can not see through the eyes of women, is always the same mistakes again and again. Men in th...]]></description>
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<p>This article deals with some of the biggest disadvantages of having a woman as men. This article is based on differences in thinking between the sexes. People can not see through the eyes of women, is always the same mistakes again and again. Men in th&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymously Yours</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2009/02/15/los-angeles-city-college-sues-over-christian-based-presentation-in-speech-class/#comment-58095</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymously Yours]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 20:42:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jon Abbey    1, March 9, 2009 at 11:59 am

So glad to hear from the hebrew misfit himself, Mike S.
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Aren&#039;t we all misfit? I still like Rudolph, do you? You know they have a home for you on the isle of ______________?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jon Abbey    1, March 9, 2009 at 11:59 am</p>
<p>So glad to hear from the hebrew misfit himself, Mike S.<br />
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<p>Aren&#8217;t we all misfit? I still like Rudolph, do you? You know they have a home for you on the isle of ______________?</p>
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		<title>By: Wolfkraft</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wolfkraft]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 20:31:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t know, I have a strong feeling that the student gave the speech to challenge the professor (who, I think, is gay?) and simply piss him off.  It&#039;s like you find out your professor is Muslim and give a speech bashing Muslims.  And according to the comment the speech assignment was supposed to be informative.  This by no means falls under the format of an informative speech.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know, I have a strong feeling that the student gave the speech to challenge the professor (who, I think, is gay?) and simply piss him off.  It&#8217;s like you find out your professor is Muslim and give a speech bashing Muslims.  And according to the comment the speech assignment was supposed to be informative.  This by no means falls under the format of an informative speech.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Abbey</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2009/02/15/los-angeles-city-college-sues-over-christian-based-presentation-in-speech-class/#comment-42827</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jon Abbey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 16:59:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So glad to hear from the hebrew misfit himself, Mike S.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So glad to hear from the hebrew misfit himself, Mike S.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Spindell</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2009/02/15/los-angeles-city-college-sues-over-christian-based-presentation-in-speech-class/#comment-42825</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Spindell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 16:44:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;I was ridiculed by the liberal professor, if you can call her that. In fact, she incited an American Indian student in class to get rightous with me. I chose not to beat the monkey crap out of this pathetic excuse for an indigenous person, but rather calmly diffused the escalating situation by exiting the calssroom prudently&quot;

Is little jonny back once more? The quote above from his initial post not only is unbelievable, as is his  story about attending the school, but evokes the picture of a physical coward who ran away rather than stand up to imagined bullying.
When I and others pointed out he was lying and also his thinly disguised bigotry, he then got into the&quot;tough guy&quot; mode casting aspersions on peoples masculinity. Doing that in this context was not only juvenile, but a indication of his essential stupidity. To put it another way Jon Abbeys debating style is:

1. Lie profusely.

2. When caught insult with stuff that would be too immature   
   for a ten year old.

3. Waste everyone&#039;s time with inanity

Keep it up jonny and someday you might even be grown up enough for you to allow yourself to be called a dittohead.
However, at this point I think even that group of cretins would be embarrassed by you. Perhaps though I&#039;m giving them too much credit.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I was ridiculed by the liberal professor, if you can call her that. In fact, she incited an American Indian student in class to get rightous with me. I chose not to beat the monkey crap out of this pathetic excuse for an indigenous person, but rather calmly diffused the escalating situation by exiting the calssroom prudently&#8221;</p>
<p>Is little jonny back once more? The quote above from his initial post not only is unbelievable, as is his  story about attending the school, but evokes the picture of a physical coward who ran away rather than stand up to imagined bullying.<br />
When I and others pointed out he was lying and also his thinly disguised bigotry, he then got into the&#8221;tough guy&#8221; mode casting aspersions on peoples masculinity. Doing that in this context was not only juvenile, but a indication of his essential stupidity. To put it another way Jon Abbeys debating style is:</p>
<p>1. Lie profusely.</p>
<p>2. When caught insult with stuff that would be too immature<br />
   for a ten year old.</p>
<p>3. Waste everyone&#8217;s time with inanity</p>
<p>Keep it up jonny and someday you might even be grown up enough for you to allow yourself to be called a dittohead.<br />
However, at this point I think even that group of cretins would be embarrassed by you. Perhaps though I&#8217;m giving them too much credit.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Abbey</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2009/02/15/los-angeles-city-college-sues-over-christian-based-presentation-in-speech-class/#comment-42816</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jon Abbey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 15:35:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bron, I also hope that you to can learn from others who don&#039;t quite share your value system, or liberal bent. Unfortunately, you are not intellectually honest enough, or humble enough to realize that others who think differently and perceive the world differently then you or your fellow-bloggers might have something intelligent and noteworthy to share. I sadly feel you are mightily impressed by the buffoons on this blog and are desperatley in need of there validation. Oh well, I guess we all need someone or something to champion, and you have your TIN GODS in Buddhaman and Mike S. You claim that I spew invectives, you and your cronies spew as much invective with your own brand of acid tongue, so please spare me the &quot;Why don&#039;t you just listen and learn&quot;, mumbo jumbo. Remember Bron the most elusive of all virtues is humility, because just when you think you are humble you are proud again...............]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bron, I also hope that you to can learn from others who don&#8217;t quite share your value system, or liberal bent. Unfortunately, you are not intellectually honest enough, or humble enough to realize that others who think differently and perceive the world differently then you or your fellow-bloggers might have something intelligent and noteworthy to share. I sadly feel you are mightily impressed by the buffoons on this blog and are desperatley in need of there validation. Oh well, I guess we all need someone or something to champion, and you have your TIN GODS in Buddhaman and Mike S. You claim that I spew invectives, you and your cronies spew as much invective with your own brand of acid tongue, so please spare me the &#8220;Why don&#8217;t you just listen and learn&#8221;, mumbo jumbo. Remember Bron the most elusive of all virtues is humility, because just when you think you are humble you are proud again&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jaroslaw</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2009/02/15/los-angeles-city-college-sues-over-christian-based-presentation-in-speech-class/#comment-42328</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jaroslaw]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 20:24:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[anyone know what is going on with this?  I&#039;ve searched the net and don&#039;t see any updates. THANK YOU]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>anyone know what is going on with this?  I&#8217;ve searched the net and don&#8217;t see any updates. THANK YOU</p>
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		<title>By: Boorman</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2009/02/15/los-angeles-city-college-sues-over-christian-based-presentation-in-speech-class/#comment-42294</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Boorman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 15:31:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Prop 8 is the greatest! Long live the breeders. Those who don&#039;t like Prop 8 should move to Bangkok the Netherlands or the Castro District to indulge in this perversion!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Prop 8 is the greatest! Long live the breeders. Those who don&#8217;t like Prop 8 should move to Bangkok the Netherlands or the Castro District to indulge in this perversion!</p>
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		<title>By: Bron98</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2009/02/15/los-angeles-city-college-sues-over-christian-based-presentation-in-speech-class/#comment-41893</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bron98]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 20:01:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[JonAbbey:

you been at Tora Bora?  What are you Osama&#039;s hand maiden?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JonAbbey:</p>
<p>you been at Tora Bora?  What are you Osama&#8217;s hand maiden?</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2009/02/15/los-angeles-city-college-sues-over-christian-based-presentation-in-speech-class/#comment-41890</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stephen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 19:08:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This kid sounds too stupid to earn a degree anyway, so getting rid of him is really just doing everyone else a favor.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This kid sounds too stupid to earn a degree anyway, so getting rid of him is really just doing everyone else a favor.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Abbey</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2009/02/15/los-angeles-city-college-sues-over-christian-based-presentation-in-speech-class/#comment-41779</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jon Abbey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 02:54:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I can only assume Buddhaman that you are very familiar with this website. You invariably have had recourse to use it (probably recently) when you needed to refill your prescription of psychotropic meds. I commend you for using this agency as a resource. hopefully the practitioner you see is thoughtful and patient when handling you.............]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can only assume Buddhaman that you are very familiar with this website. You invariably have had recourse to use it (probably recently) when you needed to refill your prescription of psychotropic meds. I commend you for using this agency as a resource. hopefully the practitioner you see is thoughtful and patient when handling you&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Buddha Is Laughing</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2009/02/15/los-angeles-city-college-sues-over-christian-based-presentation-in-speech-class/#comment-41778</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Buddha Is Laughing]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 02:43:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[,

http://dmh.lacounty.gov/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>,</p>
<p><a href="http://dmh.lacounty.gov/" rel="nofollow">http://dmh.lacounty.gov/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jon Abbey</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2009/02/15/los-angeles-city-college-sues-over-christian-based-presentation-in-speech-class/#comment-41776</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jon Abbey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 02:30:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I like to hack on you Buddhaman. I think it&#039;s good for your humility, or lack thereof............]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like to hack on you Buddhaman. I think it&#8217;s good for your humility, or lack thereof&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Abbey</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2009/02/15/los-angeles-city-college-sues-over-christian-based-presentation-in-speech-class/#comment-41771</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jon Abbey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 02:06:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hopefully in the week or so since I have been away from this blog site some positive things have transpired. My continued hope is that Buddhaman gets himself in psychotherapy for his delusional belief that he is a dragon,that is feared....... This pathetic child was probably brutally picked on during his adolescence and now finds security and stength through the anonymity of this inane internet site. Very little concerning law or it&#039;s interpretation is evident in what you wannabees write. All you do is pathetically slap each other on the back as you revel in some imaginary intelligene and status you never had. Buddhaman you need to go to Bora Bora for a week, preferably with a female(not Bron or Mike) and scuba dive and  climb  this islands tallest peak. Look down at the majesty and scope of the awesome  Pacific and realize your place in the order of things................]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hopefully in the week or so since I have been away from this blog site some positive things have transpired. My continued hope is that Buddhaman gets himself in psychotherapy for his delusional belief that he is a dragon,that is feared&#8230;&#8230;. This pathetic child was probably brutally picked on during his adolescence and now finds security and stength through the anonymity of this inane internet site. Very little concerning law or it&#8217;s interpretation is evident in what you wannabees write. All you do is pathetically slap each other on the back as you revel in some imaginary intelligene and status you never had. Buddhaman you need to go to Bora Bora for a week, preferably with a female(not Bron or Mike) and scuba dive and  climb  this islands tallest peak. Look down at the majesty and scope of the awesome  Pacific and realize your place in the order of things&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Bron98</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2009/02/15/los-angeles-city-college-sues-over-christian-based-presentation-in-speech-class/#comment-41355</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bron98]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 01:30:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mrs. Abbey can little Jon come out to play?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mrs. Abbey can little Jon come out to play?</p>
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		<title>By: Bron98</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2009/02/15/los-angeles-city-college-sues-over-christian-based-presentation-in-speech-class/#comment-41353</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bron98]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 01:20:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[JonAbbey:

I dont need to change Buddha&#039;s or Mike&#039;s bedpans or fetch their slippers they are perfectly able to do that themselves.

Why dont we try somehting just for fun, why dont you comment on one of the more recent posts from your perspective without any invective just a cogent argument from our side of the aisle, I am assuming you are a conservative.  And see what happens.  They may not agree with you but they will respond to your argument with their own and you will learn something in the process.  I wish more conservatives would get on this website and do that.  Not in some insane way but cogently and politely.  

At the end of the day they will be better able to understand their own arguments and express them more intelligently.

heres to learning]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JonAbbey:</p>
<p>I dont need to change Buddha&#8217;s or Mike&#8217;s bedpans or fetch their slippers they are perfectly able to do that themselves.</p>
<p>Why dont we try somehting just for fun, why dont you comment on one of the more recent posts from your perspective without any invective just a cogent argument from our side of the aisle, I am assuming you are a conservative.  And see what happens.  They may not agree with you but they will respond to your argument with their own and you will learn something in the process.  I wish more conservatives would get on this website and do that.  Not in some insane way but cogently and politely.  </p>
<p>At the end of the day they will be better able to understand their own arguments and express them more intelligently.</p>
<p>heres to learning</p>
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		<title>By: Buddha Is Laughing</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Buddha Is Laughing]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 00:56:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[http://dmh.lacounty.gov/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://dmh.lacounty.gov/" rel="nofollow">http://dmh.lacounty.gov/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jon Abbey</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2009/02/15/los-angeles-city-college-sues-over-christian-based-presentation-in-speech-class/#comment-41343</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jon Abbey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 00:43:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bron, are you still fetching the slippers and changing the bedpans for Mike and Buddhaman. Hey, in this economy, for you, it&#039;s a job son, just don&#039;t screw it up or you will be on welfare like your two buddies........]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bron, are you still fetching the slippers and changing the bedpans for Mike and Buddhaman. Hey, in this economy, for you, it&#8217;s a job son, just don&#8217;t screw it up or you will be on welfare like your two buddies&#8230;&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Bron98</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2009/02/15/los-angeles-city-college-sues-over-christian-based-presentation-in-speech-class/#comment-41293</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bron98]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 19:56:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lockwood:

I took 2 they actually make you a better conservative, dont be afraid.

And anyway I wouldnt exactly call these guys liberals in the common parlance of the term.  they are classical liberals on individual rights and they are not opposed to capitalism, they just dont think big corporations are any good (for that matter I dont think Jefferson did either).  there are a few other issues to, if you are an evangelical Christian I would leave now and not come back you will end up an agnostic at best, maybe a deist if you are lucky.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lockwood:</p>
<p>I took 2 they actually make you a better conservative, dont be afraid.</p>
<p>And anyway I wouldnt exactly call these guys liberals in the common parlance of the term.  they are classical liberals on individual rights and they are not opposed to capitalism, they just dont think big corporations are any good (for that matter I dont think Jefferson did either).  there are a few other issues to, if you are an evangelical Christian I would leave now and not come back you will end up an agnostic at best, maybe a deist if you are lucky.</p>
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		<title>By: Buddha Is Laughing</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Buddha Is Laughing]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 19:41:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mr. Lockwood,

One lives to be of service.

Here, take the red pill, we have plenty.  It won&#039;t be easy, but it will be true. 

Get some kids to help you with the reference.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Lockwood,</p>
<p>One lives to be of service.</p>
<p>Here, take the red pill, we have plenty.  It won&#8217;t be easy, but it will be true. </p>
<p>Get some kids to help you with the reference.</p>
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		<title>By: Bron98</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2009/02/15/los-angeles-city-college-sues-over-christian-based-presentation-in-speech-class/#comment-41285</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bron98]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 19:32:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mr. Lockwood:

if you are a good conservative stick around and learn something I have.  These guys may not be exactly freemarket but they do like individual freedom.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Lockwood:</p>
<p>if you are a good conservative stick around and learn something I have.  These guys may not be exactly freemarket but they do like individual freedom.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Spindell</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Spindell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 19:16:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mr.Lockwood,
  Glad to be of service. Remember though you need to wash the vomit off, or you will smell worse than you normally do.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr.Lockwood,<br />
  Glad to be of service. Remember though you need to wash the vomit off, or you will smell worse than you normally do.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Lockwood</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mr. Lockwood]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 19:11:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Reading the liberal offal on this website is enough to make a grown conservative cry, and then puke!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reading the liberal offal on this website is enough to make a grown conservative cry, and then puke!</p>
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		<title>By: Gyges</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gyges]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 00:17:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[CCD,

 Great story. 

  BTW the hound&#039;s only an Epicurean because straight Hedonism is too much work for him.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CCD,</p>
<p> Great story. </p>
<p>  BTW the hound&#8217;s only an Epicurean because straight Hedonism is too much work for him.</p>
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		<title>By: Jill</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jill]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 21:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[CCD,

That was interesting and I&#039;m glad you post here.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CCD,</p>
<p>That was interesting and I&#8217;m glad you post here.</p>
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		<title>By: Buddha Is Laughing</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2009/02/15/los-angeles-city-college-sues-over-christian-based-presentation-in-speech-class/#comment-40824</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Buddha Is Laughing]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 21:00:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[CCD,

Thanks for the story!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CCD,</p>
<p>Thanks for the story!</p>
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		<title>By: Bron98</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2009/02/15/los-angeles-city-college-sues-over-christian-based-presentation-in-speech-class/#comment-40820</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bron98]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 20:49:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[CCD:

good read/story.  Republicans suck and democrats suck oh there are a few good ones on each side of the aisle but for the most part they are pompous arrogant prix who take our money and our freedoms to use for their own devices and leave us with crumbs.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CCD:</p>
<p>good read/story.  Republicans suck and democrats suck oh there are a few good ones on each side of the aisle but for the most part they are pompous arrogant prix who take our money and our freedoms to use for their own devices and leave us with crumbs.</p>
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		<title>By: CCD</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CCD]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 19:50:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I believe I lead a charmed life.  This wonderful cyber classroom honestly elevates me.  Please allow me to elaborate.  
The Alderfella in my Ward is running for the 5th Congressional seat vacated by Rahm Emmanuel.  I attended a meeting last night at the Ward offices.  The meeting was scheduled for 8:00P.M.  Fellow Turleys please permit me great latitude with this piece.  And all self deprecation is a painful attempt at humor.

As a rule I’m a full blown wing nut when it comes to being on time.  There is on time then there is Vince Lombardi time which is a minimum of 15 minutes early.  I chose to be late to the Scheduled Ward meeting because class was in session here.  This classroom is like no other, it’s as addictive as crack!  Thanks to JT and you, (no lists).  The time stamp on the reply indicates I’m sitting at this computer with my hat and coat on until 8:13 P.M.  I should have walked out the door forty minutes earlier!  

Walking to the Ward offices, two blocks over two blocks down, I have Bob, Esq.’s voice in my head.  My god is that even possible, I’ve never heard the man speak!  It’s got sort of a western drawl to it, (maybe from the William Munny quote?)  It has a gravity to it that says when I hear this voice I’d better listen up.  What’s running thru my minuscule mind are the words to the effect, you can have left wing authoritarianism but it’s much like herding cats!  CCD as FFLEO correctly states stands for “Cook County Democrat.”  It should be Cook County Democat!  And I’m speed walking to a meeting to be herded!  The issue is do I want to be herded?  There is a definite pattern, my great grandfather was born here in 1871, the year they nearly burned the town completely down.  ALL MY RELATIONS ARE DEMOCATS.  I’ve attended enough of these Ward strategy sessions to bring along the checkbook.  All politics are local per Tip O’Neil, that’s sure is the truth.  

Walking thru the outer building door I instantly pickup the voice of my Alderfella speaking.  Entering the room thru the second doorway and sit in the last row.  In a way I’m telegraphing my actions, late &amp; last row.  Indeed my life is blessed but it’s been fashioned in a most parochial way.  Removing hat and coat, I catch the eye of Dave.  He is the right hand man for the Alderfella.  He runs this office, he organized this meeting.  Dave coached me in grammar school.  His son and I went thru grammar and high school together.  Dave slowly points to his wrist watch and drops his chin.  I acknowledge with a slight nod.  So much can be conveyed through non verbal communication.  Writing for me is agony; I can’t begin to imagine what your feeling reading this, if you’ve gotten this far.

Alderfella is wrapping it up.  I do have admiration for him.  He has managed the neighborhood well.  But the Cha-Ching moment is upon us.  He looks and says thank you for your support and your vote you’re very special to me.  AAAAAAHHHHHHH that put me over.  I was at the edge but that put me over.  Even Democats can be herded, if they need to be.  Meeting breaks up Dave finds me; he has a BMI of about 55.  That’s an embellishment but he is an enormous person, who I also respect.  He shakes my hand and his left hand finds its way to my shoulder, I am now in the grasp.  I’ve been here before, the perpetual coffee breathe doesn’t bother me.  This is a little different though.  I’d already made up my mind that the usual is broken.  Can you give? He asks.  

I’ve had Japanese customers in the past.  They would never say NO, they would slide off answering, never verbalizing NO.  Want to golf on Saturday?  Let me see, or maybe so.  If they answered in the affirmative I knew right then and there what my position was.  I sure as hell couldn’t say “maybe so” to Dave while I’m in the grasp.  That could lead to an extended grasp, which was to be avoided at all costs.  This was going to be tough, and he wasn’t making it any easier.  

Some of you have revealed that you grew up on Long Island, worked in the city, and then migrated to South Florida.  Or grew up in Louisiana, did your time in the Dallas area then relocated.  Seamus readily admits to living in Chicago (probably a suburb) but he’ll tell you he’s not from here! :)    I’ve lived in this Ward all my life.  JT claims he grew up here (would need to see a certificate of live birth).  And he definitely would be an excellent fit for the Top Democatic job of the nation, Mayor of Chicago… 

Yes in the grasp, needing desperately to avoid the extended grasp.  My reply to Dave was a mumbled, I’ll think about it.  Released the right hand shake, pivoting out from under the left hand on the shoulder.  Dave’s exaggerated facial expression gives him away.   Part hurt kind of disbelief.  Okay, he says.  I turn my head and softly say bad year.  Oh okay Dave says, acknowledging my words with a head shake.   On go the hat and coat, and out into the winter night.  

This is my tribe.  I’ve cultivated relationships with a lot of the people in that room.  Walking home, I can still feel the charge from the words ‘bad year’.  Jeeezzz I go literally months and years without having to fabricate.  I balance it with maybe we wouldn’t have had to endure Governors Ryan who is currently serving time in prison.  Or indicted and impeached Blagojevich.   Since 1972 there have been 27 convicted Chicago Alderman.  The latest has been convicted and surrenders in May to begin serving her federal vacation.  Hey I’m waking up.  And I sincerely have each you to thank for contributing to my development.  BIL, included the Will Bunch link.  I bought his book, “Tear Down This Myth.”  Assigned class reading, I can’t wait!  

If you’ve read this far wake yourself up and give yourself a pat on the back.  My first choice for an Avatar was this:
 
http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/images/blbushpic8.htm

But I didn’t want to offend the Newman’s only son.
  
Earth is a beautiful place, especially connecting here with you.

And this newly minted Democat is now subscribing to Epicurean (had to look that up) thanks to Gyges Beagle.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe I lead a charmed life.  This wonderful cyber classroom honestly elevates me.  Please allow me to elaborate.<br />
The Alderfella in my Ward is running for the 5th Congressional seat vacated by Rahm Emmanuel.  I attended a meeting last night at the Ward offices.  The meeting was scheduled for 8:00P.M.  Fellow Turleys please permit me great latitude with this piece.  And all self deprecation is a painful attempt at humor.</p>
<p>As a rule I’m a full blown wing nut when it comes to being on time.  There is on time then there is Vince Lombardi time which is a minimum of 15 minutes early.  I chose to be late to the Scheduled Ward meeting because class was in session here.  This classroom is like no other, it’s as addictive as crack!  Thanks to JT and you, (no lists).  The time stamp on the reply indicates I’m sitting at this computer with my hat and coat on until 8:13 P.M.  I should have walked out the door forty minutes earlier!  </p>
<p>Walking to the Ward offices, two blocks over two blocks down, I have Bob, Esq.’s voice in my head.  My god is that even possible, I’ve never heard the man speak!  It’s got sort of a western drawl to it, (maybe from the William Munny quote?)  It has a gravity to it that says when I hear this voice I’d better listen up.  What’s running thru my minuscule mind are the words to the effect, you can have left wing authoritarianism but it’s much like herding cats!  CCD as FFLEO correctly states stands for “Cook County Democrat.”  It should be Cook County Democat!  And I’m speed walking to a meeting to be herded!  The issue is do I want to be herded?  There is a definite pattern, my great grandfather was born here in 1871, the year they nearly burned the town completely down.  ALL MY RELATIONS ARE DEMOCATS.  I’ve attended enough of these Ward strategy sessions to bring along the checkbook.  All politics are local per Tip O’Neil, that’s sure is the truth.  </p>
<p>Walking thru the outer building door I instantly pickup the voice of my Alderfella speaking.  Entering the room thru the second doorway and sit in the last row.  In a way I’m telegraphing my actions, late &amp; last row.  Indeed my life is blessed but it’s been fashioned in a most parochial way.  Removing hat and coat, I catch the eye of Dave.  He is the right hand man for the Alderfella.  He runs this office, he organized this meeting.  Dave coached me in grammar school.  His son and I went thru grammar and high school together.  Dave slowly points to his wrist watch and drops his chin.  I acknowledge with a slight nod.  So much can be conveyed through non verbal communication.  Writing for me is agony; I can’t begin to imagine what your feeling reading this, if you’ve gotten this far.</p>
<p>Alderfella is wrapping it up.  I do have admiration for him.  He has managed the neighborhood well.  But the Cha-Ching moment is upon us.  He looks and says thank you for your support and your vote you’re very special to me.  AAAAAAHHHHHHH that put me over.  I was at the edge but that put me over.  Even Democats can be herded, if they need to be.  Meeting breaks up Dave finds me; he has a BMI of about 55.  That’s an embellishment but he is an enormous person, who I also respect.  He shakes my hand and his left hand finds its way to my shoulder, I am now in the grasp.  I’ve been here before, the perpetual coffee breathe doesn’t bother me.  This is a little different though.  I’d already made up my mind that the usual is broken.  Can you give? He asks.  </p>
<p>I’ve had Japanese customers in the past.  They would never say NO, they would slide off answering, never verbalizing NO.  Want to golf on Saturday?  Let me see, or maybe so.  If they answered in the affirmative I knew right then and there what my position was.  I sure as hell couldn’t say “maybe so” to Dave while I’m in the grasp.  That could lead to an extended grasp, which was to be avoided at all costs.  This was going to be tough, and he wasn’t making it any easier.  </p>
<p>Some of you have revealed that you grew up on Long Island, worked in the city, and then migrated to South Florida.  Or grew up in Louisiana, did your time in the Dallas area then relocated.  Seamus readily admits to living in Chicago (probably a suburb) but he’ll tell you he’s not from here! <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />     I’ve lived in this Ward all my life.  JT claims he grew up here (would need to see a certificate of live birth).  And he definitely would be an excellent fit for the Top Democatic job of the nation, Mayor of Chicago… </p>
<p>Yes in the grasp, needing desperately to avoid the extended grasp.  My reply to Dave was a mumbled, I’ll think about it.  Released the right hand shake, pivoting out from under the left hand on the shoulder.  Dave’s exaggerated facial expression gives him away.   Part hurt kind of disbelief.  Okay, he says.  I turn my head and softly say bad year.  Oh okay Dave says, acknowledging my words with a head shake.   On go the hat and coat, and out into the winter night.  </p>
<p>This is my tribe.  I’ve cultivated relationships with a lot of the people in that room.  Walking home, I can still feel the charge from the words ‘bad year’.  Jeeezzz I go literally months and years without having to fabricate.  I balance it with maybe we wouldn’t have had to endure Governors Ryan who is currently serving time in prison.  Or indicted and impeached Blagojevich.   Since 1972 there have been 27 convicted Chicago Alderman.  The latest has been convicted and surrenders in May to begin serving her federal vacation.  Hey I’m waking up.  And I sincerely have each you to thank for contributing to my development.  BIL, included the Will Bunch link.  I bought his book, “Tear Down This Myth.”  Assigned class reading, I can’t wait!  </p>
<p>If you’ve read this far wake yourself up and give yourself a pat on the back.  My first choice for an Avatar was this:</p>
<p><a href="http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/images/blbushpic8.htm" rel="nofollow">http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/images/blbushpic8.htm</a></p>
<p>But I didn’t want to offend the Newman’s only son.</p>
<p>Earth is a beautiful place, especially connecting here with you.</p>
<p>And this newly minted Democat is now subscribing to Epicurean (had to look that up) thanks to Gyges Beagle.</p>
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		<title>By: Buddha Is Laughing</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Buddha Is Laughing]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 13:35:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[FFLEO &amp; mespo,

If were talking Simpson&#039;s, that&#039;s a tough call, but I might have chosen Professor John Frink.

http://www.simpsonstrivia.com.ar/wallpapers/professor-frink.htm

&quot;Ha ha wha. Oh, sorry I&#039;m late. There was trouble at the lab with the running and the exploding and the crying when the monkeys stole the glasses off my head. Wh-ha ha.

(Fade to black)

Oh, no, please no. I have a funny story if you listen. I even wrote theme music, here listen. Ha ha, mm-m hey hey, Professor Frink, Professor Frink, He&#039;ll make you laugh, he&#039;ll make you think, He likes to run, and then the thing, with the... mm-m person... 

Oh boy, that monkey is going to pay.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FFLEO &amp; mespo,</p>
<p>If were talking Simpson&#8217;s, that&#8217;s a tough call, but I might have chosen Professor John Frink.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.simpsonstrivia.com.ar/wallpapers/professor-frink.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.simpsonstrivia.com.ar/wallpapers/professor-frink.htm</a></p>
<p>&#8220;Ha ha wha. Oh, sorry I&#8217;m late. There was trouble at the lab with the running and the exploding and the crying when the monkeys stole the glasses off my head. Wh-ha ha.</p>
<p>(Fade to black)</p>
<p>Oh, no, please no. I have a funny story if you listen. I even wrote theme music, here listen. Ha ha, mm-m hey hey, Professor Frink, Professor Frink, He&#8217;ll make you laugh, he&#8217;ll make you think, He likes to run, and then the thing, with the&#8230; mm-m person&#8230; </p>
<p>Oh boy, that monkey is going to pay.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Bron98</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2009/02/15/los-angeles-city-college-sues-over-christian-based-presentation-in-speech-class/#comment-40756</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bron98]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 13:19:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[JonAbbey:

you are an arboreal rocker!

personally I like Southern Yellow Pine #2 for its strength characteristics.  Although the compression stress perp. to the grain is not very good.  Probably due to faster growth.  Although it does have a very high modulous (relative to other wood species) and so deflection characteristics are very good.

I would be interested, on a cellular level, to know why this is so?  is it due to the cellular size, shape or something else?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JonAbbey:</p>
<p>you are an arboreal rocker!</p>
<p>personally I like Southern Yellow Pine #2 for its strength characteristics.  Although the compression stress perp. to the grain is not very good.  Probably due to faster growth.  Although it does have a very high modulous (relative to other wood species) and so deflection characteristics are very good.</p>
<p>I would be interested, on a cellular level, to know why this is so?  is it due to the cellular size, shape or something else?</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Abbey</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2009/02/15/los-angeles-city-college-sues-over-christian-based-presentation-in-speech-class/#comment-40745</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jon Abbey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 07:06:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bron, do you realize that of the billions of trees ever to have photosynthesized under the sun only a minute fraction were placed in the circumstances to fossilize and only a small fraction of those survived. It is no wonder that understanding the processes of their creation leads to a greater respect and admiration for these beautiful specimens. Which of the billions of trees today, will become such gems? As much as I love the beauty and myriad diversity of the fossilized gymnosperms my appreciation has continued  to grow for the equally fascinating angiosperms, especially those trees of the genus Palmoxylon.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bron, do you realize that of the billions of trees ever to have photosynthesized under the sun only a minute fraction were placed in the circumstances to fossilize and only a small fraction of those survived. It is no wonder that understanding the processes of their creation leads to a greater respect and admiration for these beautiful specimens. Which of the billions of trees today, will become such gems? As much as I love the beauty and myriad diversity of the fossilized gymnosperms my appreciation has continued  to grow for the equally fascinating angiosperms, especially those trees of the genus Palmoxylon.</p>
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		<title>By: jon Abbey</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jon Abbey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 06:42:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bron, Hickory and pecan (genus Carya) are ring porous woods with banded parenchyma cells in long straight, somewhat continuous tangential lines. In combination with the thin rays, the thin rays these bands of parenchyma form a net like or web like pattern. Earlywood pores are large in an intermittent row along the growth boundary. Latewood pores are few and solitary or in radial multiples of two to several. No parenchyma cells exist in the earlywood of Hickory, whereas parenchyma cells are present in the early wood of pecan. Hickory earlywood is one pore wide with an abrupt shift to latewood. Pecan displays a gradual decrease on pore size fromlarge earlywood poresand could therefore be grouped with semi-ring porous woods.Other ring porous woods include ash,black and honey locust,Osage orange, red mulberry and sassafras. Based on the information provided, do you feel the porous woods would decrease gradually in size from large to significantly smaller, with no clear differentiation between earlywood and latewood with no abrupt change in size?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bron, Hickory and pecan (genus Carya) are ring porous woods with banded parenchyma cells in long straight, somewhat continuous tangential lines. In combination with the thin rays, the thin rays these bands of parenchyma form a net like or web like pattern. Earlywood pores are large in an intermittent row along the growth boundary. Latewood pores are few and solitary or in radial multiples of two to several. No parenchyma cells exist in the earlywood of Hickory, whereas parenchyma cells are present in the early wood of pecan. Hickory earlywood is one pore wide with an abrupt shift to latewood. Pecan displays a gradual decrease on pore size fromlarge earlywood poresand could therefore be grouped with semi-ring porous woods.Other ring porous woods include ash,black and honey locust,Osage orange, red mulberry and sassafras. Based on the information provided, do you feel the porous woods would decrease gradually in size from large to significantly smaller, with no clear differentiation between earlywood and latewood with no abrupt change in size?</p>
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		<title>By: mespo727272</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mespo727272]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 04:06:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[FFLeo:

Just between us here, I was torn between Cicero and my favorite Simpson character, Barney--burrrrup!!

http://z.about.com/d/animatedtv/1/0/9/B/barney.jpg]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FFLeo:</p>
<p>Just between us here, I was torn between Cicero and my favorite Simpson character, Barney&#8211;burrrrup!!</p>
<p><a href="http://z.about.com/d/animatedtv/1/0/9/B/barney.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://z.about.com/d/animatedtv/1/0/9/B/barney.jpg</a></p>
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		<title>By: Buddha Is Laughing</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2009/02/15/los-angeles-city-college-sues-over-christian-based-presentation-in-speech-class/#comment-40728</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Buddha Is Laughing]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 01:50:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[FFLEO,

Thanks!  I&#039;m glad the color correction achieved the desired &quot;jadey-ness&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FFLEO,</p>
<p>Thanks!  I&#8217;m glad the color correction achieved the desired &#8220;jadey-ness&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Former Federal LEO</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2009/02/15/los-angeles-city-college-sues-over-christian-based-presentation-in-speech-class/#comment-40726</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Former Federal LEO]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 01:45:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mespo,

Thanks for that belly laugh!  The problem is, I am not half as handsome as the Chief is and I would not want to be so pretentious by displaying that avatar of the perfect specimen of an LEO.  (That will ‘learn’ me not to critique avatars here, even in jest!) BTW, your, CCD&#039;s and Buddha&#039;s avatars are pure perfection!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mespo,</p>
<p>Thanks for that belly laugh!  The problem is, I am not half as handsome as the Chief is and I would not want to be so pretentious by displaying that avatar of the perfect specimen of an LEO.  (That will ‘learn’ me not to critique avatars here, even in jest!) BTW, your, CCD&#8217;s and Buddha&#8217;s avatars are pure perfection!</p>
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		<title>By: Buddha Is Laughing</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2009/02/15/los-angeles-city-college-sues-over-christian-based-presentation-in-speech-class/#comment-40722</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Buddha Is Laughing]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 01:35:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mike S.

“All warfare is based on deception. Hence, when able to attack, we must seem unable; when using our forces, we must seem inactive; when we are near, we must make the enemy believe we are far away; when far away, we must make him believe we are near.”

And stop reading my mind, you Hebrew mystic you. :D

FFLEO &amp; mespo,

Wiggum!  Pure genius in icon selection that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike S.</p>
<p>“All warfare is based on deception. Hence, when able to attack, we must seem unable; when using our forces, we must seem inactive; when we are near, we must make the enemy believe we are far away; when far away, we must make him believe we are near.”</p>
<p>And stop reading my mind, you Hebrew mystic you. <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>FFLEO &amp; mespo,</p>
<p>Wiggum!  Pure genius in icon selection that.</p>
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		<title>By: mespo727272</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mespo727272]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 01:27:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[FFLeo:

I see a Chief Wiggum avatar in your future.  

http://www.citynerd.com/simpsons/chief.gif]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FFLeo:</p>
<p>I see a Chief Wiggum avatar in your future.  </p>
<p><a href="http://www.citynerd.com/simpsons/chief.gif" rel="nofollow">http://www.citynerd.com/simpsons/chief.gif</a></p>
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		<title>By: Former Federal LEO</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2009/02/15/los-angeles-city-college-sues-over-christian-based-presentation-in-speech-class/#comment-40717</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Former Federal LEO]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 01:20:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey CCD,

Notice, I do not have an avatar.  Also, I thought I could help interrupt Mr. JA&#039;s &quot;train of thought&quot; through distraction.

Take care...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey CCD,</p>
<p>Notice, I do not have an avatar.  Also, I thought I could help interrupt Mr. JA&#8217;s &#8220;train of thought&#8221; through distraction.</p>
<p>Take care&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: CCD</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2009/02/15/los-angeles-city-college-sues-over-christian-based-presentation-in-speech-class/#comment-40714</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CCD]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 01:13:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks FFLEO.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks FFLEO.</p>
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		<title>By: CCD</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CCD]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 01:07:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks mespo.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks mespo.</p>
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		<title>By: Former Federal LEO</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Former Federal LEO]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 01:03:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh, *that&#039;s* what CCD&#039;s avatar is!

I thought it was a partially used/dissolved jaw breaker candy...

JK, Cook County Democrat, JK...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, *that&#8217;s* what CCD&#8217;s avatar is!</p>
<p>I thought it was a partially used/dissolved jaw breaker candy&#8230;</p>
<p>JK, Cook County Democrat, JK&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: mespo727272</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2009/02/15/los-angeles-city-college-sues-over-christian-based-presentation-in-speech-class/#comment-40704</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mespo727272]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 00:52:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[CCD:

Really groovin&#039; the avatar. Make it spin!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CCD:</p>
<p>Really groovin&#8217; the avatar. Make it spin!</p>
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		<title>By: CCD</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2009/02/15/los-angeles-city-college-sues-over-christian-based-presentation-in-speech-class/#comment-40700</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CCD]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 00:42:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks Jill,
Definite low risk, long term fade.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Jill,<br />
Definite low risk, long term fade.</p>
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		<title>By: Bron98</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2009/02/15/los-angeles-city-college-sues-over-christian-based-presentation-in-speech-class/#comment-40697</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bron98]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 00:19:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[JonAbbey:

what do you think about cats as objectivists?  This is a very interesting and complex subject brought up by one of my &quot;professors&quot;.  On the one hand I would say he was right but on the other I would be inclined to argue that cats qua cats are not able to experience reality sufficiently to determine whether they are or are not objectivists.  Your thoughts?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JonAbbey:</p>
<p>what do you think about cats as objectivists?  This is a very interesting and complex subject brought up by one of my &#8220;professors&#8221;.  On the one hand I would say he was right but on the other I would be inclined to argue that cats qua cats are not able to experience reality sufficiently to determine whether they are or are not objectivists.  Your thoughts?</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Abbey</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jon Abbey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 00:08:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I love picking on you Buddhaman, it gives me a barrels worth of entertainment...........]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love picking on you Buddhaman, it gives me a barrels worth of entertainment&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Spindell</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2009/02/15/los-angeles-city-college-sues-over-christian-based-presentation-in-speech-class/#comment-40693</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Spindell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 00:05:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jill,
  your suggestion is a good one, but containment is also nice, if you catch my drift.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jill,<br />
  your suggestion is a good one, but containment is also nice, if you catch my drift.</p>
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		<title>By: Bron98</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2009/02/15/los-angeles-city-college-sues-over-christian-based-presentation-in-speech-class/#comment-40690</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bron98]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 23:46:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[JonAbbey:

I dont cruise gay bars, I went once in college with a gay friend and while not one to be critical of anothers choice in partner, I found it not my cup of tea.

Very interesting that that would be your first line of defence for a comment about smoking a root chakra, which if I remeber correctly is an energy location on the body.  When one smokes a chakra they use heat to stimulate it to balance energy flows throughout the body.  Very interesting indeed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JonAbbey:</p>
<p>I dont cruise gay bars, I went once in college with a gay friend and while not one to be critical of anothers choice in partner, I found it not my cup of tea.</p>
<p>Very interesting that that would be your first line of defence for a comment about smoking a root chakra, which if I remeber correctly is an energy location on the body.  When one smokes a chakra they use heat to stimulate it to balance energy flows throughout the body.  Very interesting indeed.</p>
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		<title>By: Buddha Is Laughing</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2009/02/15/los-angeles-city-college-sues-over-christian-based-presentation-in-speech-class/#comment-40684</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Buddha Is Laughing]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 23:21:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Please do.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please do.</p>
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