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		<title>By: mespo727272</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2009/04/24/new-law-school-rankings/#comment-49500</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 20:33:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Vince:

What I find more telling is the comments of judges about graduates of the various law schools. There is a certain mind set difference from graduates of the various law schools. I find this the strength of the system and make no qualitative judgments. It islike college football teams, and an old friend of mine who referees in the ACC put it best when I asked him which among thetop 5 teams was the best in the conference. He replied, &quot;on which weekend?&quot; A lot like the answer to the best lawyers, I think, &quot;On which case?&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vince:</p>
<p>What I find more telling is the comments of judges about graduates of the various law schools. There is a certain mind set difference from graduates of the various law schools. I find this the strength of the system and make no qualitative judgments. It islike college football teams, and an old friend of mine who referees in the ACC put it best when I asked him which among thetop 5 teams was the best in the conference. He replied, &#8220;on which weekend?&#8221; A lot like the answer to the best lawyers, I think, &#8220;On which case?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jane</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2009/04/24/new-law-school-rankings/#comment-49495</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jane]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 20:21:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;George Washington fell from 20 to 28 in the rankings and the faculty is studying how the change in methodology hit us so hard (our various scores have remained the same or improved from last year).&quot;

This is not true.  The employment statistics fell.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;George Washington fell from 20 to 28 in the rankings and the faculty is studying how the change in methodology hit us so hard (our various scores have remained the same or improved from last year).&#8221;</p>
<p>This is not true.  The employment statistics fell.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymously Yours</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2009/04/24/new-law-school-rankings/#comment-49447</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymously Yours]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 15:17:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Who cares and unless you slept with somebody that slept with somebody that slept with Eleanor Roosevelt you will never make it to the Supreme Court. Just ask Renquist oh you can&#039;t. Ok, call Miss. Cleo she will know.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who cares and unless you slept with somebody that slept with somebody that slept with Eleanor Roosevelt you will never make it to the Supreme Court. Just ask Renquist oh you can&#8217;t. Ok, call Miss. Cleo she will know.</p>
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		<title>By: http://BuenaVistaMall.com</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2009/04/24/new-law-school-rankings/#comment-49446</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[http://BuenaVistaMall.com]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 15:14:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry Gnome, don&#039;t know what to tell you.  Maybe you can take some binary / digital logic classes somewhere.  That helped me a bunch.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry Gnome, don&#8217;t know what to tell you.  Maybe you can take some binary / digital logic classes somewhere.  That helped me a bunch.</p>
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		<title>By: Gnome</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2009/04/24/new-law-school-rankings/#comment-49440</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gnome]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 14:35:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry, blessedvirginmary, but you make no sense at all.

Say hello to Xenu for all of us.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, blessedvirginmary, but you make no sense at all.</p>
<p>Say hello to Xenu for all of us.</p>
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		<title>By: http://BuenaVistaMall.com</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2009/04/24/new-law-school-rankings/#comment-49438</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[http://BuenaVistaMall.com]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 14:33:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[hi Gnome,

Right now it is just the rest of the world... but the quest for Truth is universal.  

To the top and beyond!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi Gnome,</p>
<p>Right now it is just the rest of the world&#8230; but the quest for Truth is universal.  </p>
<p>To the top and beyond!</p>
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		<title>By: Vince Treacy</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2009/04/24/new-law-school-rankings/#comment-49437</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Vince Treacy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 14:32:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The law school ratings are as mythical as the “National College Football Championship.”  Until the AALS law schools agree to a tournament and a playoff, the rankings for number one on down are purely a matter of opinion.  All prospective students should use them carefully, with a healthy amount of skepticism.

Realistically, the ratings of schools are important, since many people rely on them, so it should be a factor taken into account.  Years ago, the rankings were based on informal polls of deans, professors, and others.  They reflected subjective opinion.  There was no objective way to measure those things.  Nowadays, the quantitative elements are open to abuse and can well have an adverse effect.

For example, one factor is the average or median law board LSAT score.  Studies have shown that a high score on this test only shows that the student is likely to succeed in the first year of law school, but not much else.  Malcolm Gladwell noted that the LSAT probably measures only two of the 20 odd skills that a lawyer needs to succeed.   

The problem with the ratings, as JT noted, is the tendency to game the system, to the detriment of a sound legal education.  Like the schools that teach to the standardized test, the law school may react to the ratings.  They should instead look to the needs of the profession. 

Students should look to things like the size of the law library and other legal resources in the area, as well as the quality of the faculty.  They should look for extensive trial and appellate practice courses and competitions that are extremely important for future practices. 

[Everything in the above posting entitled Rating of Law Schools was a direct quotation from the ABA website.]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The law school ratings are as mythical as the “National College Football Championship.”  Until the AALS law schools agree to a tournament and a playoff, the rankings for number one on down are purely a matter of opinion.  All prospective students should use them carefully, with a healthy amount of skepticism.</p>
<p>Realistically, the ratings of schools are important, since many people rely on them, so it should be a factor taken into account.  Years ago, the rankings were based on informal polls of deans, professors, and others.  They reflected subjective opinion.  There was no objective way to measure those things.  Nowadays, the quantitative elements are open to abuse and can well have an adverse effect.</p>
<p>For example, one factor is the average or median law board LSAT score.  Studies have shown that a high score on this test only shows that the student is likely to succeed in the first year of law school, but not much else.  Malcolm Gladwell noted that the LSAT probably measures only two of the 20 odd skills that a lawyer needs to succeed.   </p>
<p>The problem with the ratings, as JT noted, is the tendency to game the system, to the detriment of a sound legal education.  Like the schools that teach to the standardized test, the law school may react to the ratings.  They should instead look to the needs of the profession. </p>
<p>Students should look to things like the size of the law library and other legal resources in the area, as well as the quality of the faculty.  They should look for extensive trial and appellate practice courses and competitions that are extremely important for future practices. </p>
<p>[Everything in the above posting entitled Rating of Law Schools was a direct quotation from the ABA website.]</p>
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		<title>By: Gnome</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2009/04/24/new-law-school-rankings/#comment-49436</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gnome]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 14:26:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[BVM, looked at the website, nice to hear from another planet.

Or is it an alternate universe?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BVM, looked at the website, nice to hear from another planet.</p>
<p>Or is it an alternate universe?</p>
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		<title>By: Vince Treacy</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2009/04/24/new-law-school-rankings/#comment-49435</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Vince Treacy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 14:23:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Rating of Law Schools 

No rating of law schools beyond the simple statement of their accreditation status is attempted or advocated by the official organizations in legal education. Qualities that make one kind of school good for one student may not be as important to another. The American Bar Association and its Section of Legal Education and Admissions to the Bar have issued disclaimers of any law school rating system. 

Prospective law students should consider a variety of factors in making their choice among schools. 

http://www.abanet.org/legaled/approvedlawschools/approved.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rating of Law Schools </p>
<p>No rating of law schools beyond the simple statement of their accreditation status is attempted or advocated by the official organizations in legal education. Qualities that make one kind of school good for one student may not be as important to another. The American Bar Association and its Section of Legal Education and Admissions to the Bar have issued disclaimers of any law school rating system. </p>
<p>Prospective law students should consider a variety of factors in making their choice among schools. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.abanet.org/legaled/approvedlawschools/approved.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.abanet.org/legaled/approvedlawschools/approved.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: http://BuenaVistaMall.com</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2009/04/24/new-law-school-rankings/#comment-49433</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[http://BuenaVistaMall.com]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 14:09:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think Wake Forest University School of Law is way, way down the list in rankings. WFU is planning to give War Criminal Joe Biden an honorary doctor of laws degree May 18th at commencement.  Biden has been a War Criminal for years in initiating, funding, conspiring and waging Wars of Aggression in Iraq and Afghanistan.  

I can see Professor Adolph Hitler on one of their honorary law degrees.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Wake Forest University School of Law is way, way down the list in rankings. WFU is planning to give War Criminal Joe Biden an honorary doctor of laws degree May 18th at commencement.  Biden has been a War Criminal for years in initiating, funding, conspiring and waging Wars of Aggression in Iraq and Afghanistan.  </p>
<p>I can see Professor Adolph Hitler on one of their honorary law degrees.</p>
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		<title>By: joe</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2009/04/24/new-law-school-rankings/#comment-49424</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 13:19:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[oh, and one more time because it&#039;s funny: I&#039;m not so worried about the USNWR. The Thomas Cooley rankings still have us top 10, so it&#039;s all good.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh, and one more time because it&#8217;s funny: I&#8217;m not so worried about the USNWR. The Thomas Cooley rankings still have us top 10, so it&#8217;s all good.</p>
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		<title>By: joe</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2009/04/24/new-law-school-rankings/#comment-49421</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 13:03:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[why did the inclusion of GW&#039;s PT students have such a big effect (according to the Dean&#039;s letter) but inclusion of part time students helped Gtown and other schools?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>why did the inclusion of GW&#8217;s PT students have such a big effect (according to the Dean&#8217;s letter) but inclusion of part time students helped Gtown and other schools?</p>
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		<title>By: mespo727272</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2009/04/24/new-law-school-rankings/#comment-49414</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mespo727272]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 12:04:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To be tied with the college producing Thomas Jefferson, James Monroe,John Tyler, John Marshall, and, of course, Jon Stewart, seems high enough praise to me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be tied with the college producing Thomas Jefferson, James Monroe,John Tyler, John Marshall, and, of course, Jon Stewart, seems high enough praise to me.</p>
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