If she had followed her own advice and done some reading she would know that the UN Convention on Torture does not protect her in any way.

The operative word is Granted. It is much like the terminology the Bush Administration is using. “The Constitution grants me the Authority to ______” fill in the blank.

Did she earn the degree is more of the question? Well now I am going to correct myself, Did Bybee earn a position on the 9th Circuit?

I’d also like to say that I recall reading an interview where they questioned Condi’s mom about her relationship to Bush. She said, “[Condi] just can’t say no to that man.”

I’d especially like to hear Mike S’ take on that statement given his experience in psychology, but I’ll welcome any comments. I’ve heard the exact same thing said in defense of women in abusive relationships they were unwilling/unable to leave.

I can’t easily provide a link as I am getting there through a proxy (livin in China, this is one of the drawbacks).

I am concerned that we game out how this should go down. As soon as investigations of some sort become all but assured, the game will turn to hampering and restricting them in order to affect the outcome, with a lot of disinformation.

I hope Prof. Turley can propose a proper way to go about it. Or at least talk about the options available. IS a special prosecutor the way to go??

If I remember the banner stated:”Mission Accomplished”

Now if it had only gone the way Geo the II, wanted it, we would not be having these issues.

Coming home from his Little League game, Pat swung open the front door very excited. Unable to attend the game, his father immediately wanted to know what happened. “So, how did you do son?” he asked.

“You’ll never believe it!” Pat said. “I was responsible for the winning run!”

“Really? How’d you do that?”

“I dropped the ball.”

Mike Appleton: Thanks for your comments. I am amazed how extremely well educated lawyer who are corrupt. like Ms. Rice, always resort to the base lies that petty criminals spout in attempts to explain away their crimes. You would think attorneys would know better.

JSJ: Yes, Ford did our country a disservice by pardoning Nixon. I have always opposed the pardon power given a president–the founders got that wrong bu giving the powers of a King to a one-man executive.

Pat Buchanan is a very confused old man and Hardball Tweet is hard to watch with all of his inane interruptions.

Professor Turley is a prince of a fellow.

I am assisting an attorney with facts within 3 oppositions’ briefs but I needed a break.

With the current make up of the court I don’t see how anything good could come out of an action against Bush et al. The irony would be for that to happen and the Spanish to indict them, and they claim Double Jeopardy.

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Nah, I have seen it before. When I did court appointments early on. I usually dropped those clients that alls they wanted to do was rat somebody out so they did not have to do any time.

I had much more respect for those that were guilty and wanted to fight it and take there chances or wanted to minimize any exposure to jail/prison in stead of taking some body else down.

One type of case that I did hate dealing with but it was easy money is when a drug deal went bad and “force and usually violence” was used to reacquaint themselves with the lost money. Made sense to me. But they usually got hit with armed or stronged armed robbery. I thought that the laws did not assist when 2 people were equally guilty. Lets see pari delicto?
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You find a remarkable similarity in the conduct of the guilty from Wall Street to State Street, to Pennsylvania Avenue to the back streets,when they are confronted by law enforcement. First, its denial, then avoidance, then the “I’ve got a story to tell, can I get a deal?” I bet FFLeo will back be up on this.

I clearly see that what has been evolving with this administration is that the line of separation of powers has gotten blurred. It appears that administration has everyone in its pockets or at least it hands in there pockets. With the way Bush was able to get top democrats vending his agenda it blurred Article 1 and 2. With the way that the Sct was packed by Regan and George the First it cinched the stolen election for George the Second.

I think what I see for Obama and Holder is maybe yes, they want to go after Bush et al. And if they do it Appeals will run up the flag pole to the Sct. So Obamas hands may be proverbially tied. Yes, I would like right now to have Cheney hung, by ropes where a stand snapped about every 2 to 3 minutes apart, so that he could hear them and when the last stand snapped he would land into a heard of ravenous coyotes. However that may be too good for him.

With Cheney saying what he has said,Rice and Bybee are they really trying to hang ole Geo out or what. This reminds me of low level drug dealers willing to rat out someone so they can get a better deal. They realize they may get time but they don’t want to go down by themselves.

Nice pick up on Pat Buchanan’s utter ignorance of the law and history. For one thing, the Constitution specifically permits suspension of the writ of Habeas Corpus in wartime*, though Lincoln clearly was wrong in not going to Congress for the authorization. Ex Parte Merryman, 17 F. Cas. 144 (1861). Congress later authorized Lincoln’s actions by passing the Habeas Corpus Act of 1863. The Supreme Court then restored Habeas Corpus in Ex parte Milligan, 71 U.S. 2 (1866). US v. Nixon (cited supra) settled forever the “President as King” argument advanced by neo-Nixonians like Bush and Condi.

*Article I, Section 9 of the Constitution says, “The privilege of the writ of habeas corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in cases of rebellion or invasion the public safety may require it.”

This, however, is not among the vices of that constitution. The magistrate in whom the whole executive power resides cannot of himself make a law, though he can put a negative on every law; nor administer justice in person, though he has the appointment of those who do administer it.”

–Excerpted from The Federalist Papers No. 47

–United States v. Nixon

Right you are Professor Turley, the right to say what the law is resides at One First Street, NE, not 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. Oyez, oyez! Thought Dr. Rice might know that, but why would a “know-nothing” know anything.

I will say, you are a pleasure to have. This only solidifies my views. Because if you are for it, it implicitly has me questioning the person you are commending. I thank you for your thoughts.

Jonathan is part Borg–he adapts and he assimilates his opponents!

From HBO’s ‘You’re Welcome America’…

The question of whether waterboarding is torture is difficult only for those who wish not to answer. Her response, that the president “instructed us that nothing we would do would be outside of our (legal) obligations,” was an incoherent avoidance. Did she mean that the president assured his staff that no one would be asked to do anything unlawful? Or did she mean that his instructions would be lawful by virtue of his being the source of those instructions? That she immediately attempted to separate herself from the chain of authorization tells us more about her true beliefs than does the rest of her answer.

Thinking she had deftly avoided the Nixonian quicksand, the student’s persistence caused her to sink into it up to her neck. Yes, waterboarding is torture, but not if explicitly ordered by the president, and besides, I was simply the president’s courier to the CIA, as though her role was to take coffee and donuts to
George Tenet and, by the way, hand him this note while you’re at it. Gentlemen, coffee, tea, waterboarding instructions?

What a disgusting display of moral and intellectual equivocation.

Pat Buchanan was there for the warsters once again.

Let’s face it, the illicit relationship with our greatest enemy has given illegitimate birth to the ideals he is trapped by.

That infestation will never be understood till we know who our worst enemy is:

http://blogdredd.blogspot.com/2009/04/what-is-americas-greatest-enemy.html

Kudos on what appeared to me to be an unqualified success on Hardball. Pat Buchanan was literally flummoxed, stumbling all over himself in a vain attempt to defend the Imperial Presidency. His repeated references to WWII era events, long since reputiated and covered by new treaties, was laughable at best. Your deft use of Buchanan’s and other conservatives’s defamation of the Soviets as being untrustworthy when signing treaties to illustrate how these actions make the US look similarly distrustful was a brilliant stroke.

Did she ever wear a Blew Dress? Was she friends with Linda Tripp? Did she masquerade with Cigars?

Then the answer might possibly be maybe yes, but I would have to categorically say maybe, unless I knew why I could not give you a definitive answer to the question that was asked, now what was the question that you asked?

Ms Rice once publicly referred to G W Bush as her husband. Having let free a couple of Freudian monsters of my own over the years (and realizing how they informed my behavior) I had to wonder if her lack of effectiveness at State had roots in other than her level of skill and scholarship.

Well Done!

I just watched you on “Hardball” and it was a far more pleasant viewing experience than last week; when both Chris and Pat were acting like hysterical ninnies who refused to listen or let you speak. Thank-you for being an outstanding voice of reason!

P.S. Chief Justice Turley sounds good to me!

Every time I would see a picture of Ms Rice and George Bush, “Yes woman” would reverberate around in my mind. She may well have been a great student, and a great parrot of the company line, but her capabilities, operating in the real world, weighing the facts, reaching her own conclusions, and standing by and fighting for her own principals, seem to have been lost somewhere along the way. She was the shy, intellectual wallflower, seduced and steamrolled by the Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld frat boy/football captains/prom kings.

Completing a college education is an admirable accomplishment and deserves respect, but what you do with the rest of your life, after school is out, really demonstrates the measure of the man or woman

Second of all: Sig Heil, Sig Heil Main Furror.

Are you for sure and for certain that you want to, once again, subject yourself to “Tweety’s” Twitter?