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		<title>By: commoner</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2009/05/02/justice-department-to-drop-espionage-case-against-aipac-lobbyists/#comment-51648</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[commoner]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 07:42:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I attended the AIPAC dinner Monday night together with around 7,000 others and it was awesome.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I attended the AIPAC dinner Monday night together with around 7,000 others and it was awesome.</p>
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		<title>By: GWLawSchoolMom</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2009/05/02/justice-department-to-drop-espionage-case-against-aipac-lobbyists/#comment-51170</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[GWLawSchoolMom]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 May 2009 19:21:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mespo


Money? Being neatly laundered? By whom? By Americans on behalf of Israel?

I think if you really knew what AIPAC is and does for real and followed the trail of money you&#039;d see that the $$ go from here to there. Not there to here.
What the US shares with Israel is more than just a strategic interest in the region. We share transfer of knowledge and research.
Ever take generic drugs? Have a cell phone? both technologies initiated in Israel.

I had a great conversation a few years ago with the actual guy, the first MD researcher ever to imagine what embryonic stem cells might be used for.  

We share more with Israel than you might imagine.
but I have to wonder, do you mean Jewish money in the way I think you might mean it?  If not apologies in advance.

I  am also unsure of what you mean by indirect funding of graft with regard to  any specific stature. Could you elaborate.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mespo</p>
<p>Money? Being neatly laundered? By whom? By Americans on behalf of Israel?</p>
<p>I think if you really knew what AIPAC is and does for real and followed the trail of money you&#8217;d see that the $$ go from here to there. Not there to here.<br />
What the US shares with Israel is more than just a strategic interest in the region. We share transfer of knowledge and research.<br />
Ever take generic drugs? Have a cell phone? both technologies initiated in Israel.</p>
<p>I had a great conversation a few years ago with the actual guy, the first MD researcher ever to imagine what embryonic stem cells might be used for.  </p>
<p>We share more with Israel than you might imagine.<br />
but I have to wonder, do you mean Jewish money in the way I think you might mean it?  If not apologies in advance.</p>
<p>I  am also unsure of what you mean by indirect funding of graft with regard to  any specific stature. Could you elaborate.</p>
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		<title>By: mespo727272</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2009/05/02/justice-department-to-drop-espionage-case-against-aipac-lobbyists/#comment-51115</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mespo727272]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 May 2009 01:38:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[QOS:

The problem as I see it is that the money is neatly laundered by American citizens serving as conduits. The indirect funding of graft is the problem the statute seems impotent to stop.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>QOS:</p>
<p>The problem as I see it is that the money is neatly laundered by American citizens serving as conduits. The indirect funding of graft is the problem the statute seems impotent to stop.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymously Yours</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2009/05/02/justice-department-to-drop-espionage-case-against-aipac-lobbyists/#comment-51101</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymously Yours]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2009 23:42:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[QoS,

After you said this, I realized that you were correct.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>QoS,</p>
<p>After you said this, I realized that you were correct.</p>
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		<title>By: Queen of Sheba</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2009/05/02/justice-department-to-drop-espionage-case-against-aipac-lobbyists/#comment-51098</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Queen of Sheba]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2009 22:43:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Federal Elections Campaign Act already prohibits contributions from foreign nationals in connection with any federal, state or local election in the United States.  Penalties can range from fines to imprisonment.

&quot;Foreign nationals&quot; are defined in the Act as:
Foreign governments; 
Foreign political parties; 
Foreign corporations; 
Foreign associations;                                    
Foreign partnerships; 
Individuals with foreign citizenship; and 
Immigrants who do not have a &quot;green card

Congressional Republicans went after Clinton for accepting money from Chinese corporations; Democrats tried to go after Bush for accepting foreign contributions, but the Bush Justice Dept. wouldn&#039;t investigate, and last October the Republicans made a huge brouhaha over Obama&#039;s acceptance of contributions from ill-defined representatives Gaza.

For all these presidential campaigns to have been involved in questionable fundraising activity and for all of them to have escaped serious investigation, much less penalties, enforcement of FECA prohibitions obviously leaves a lot to be desired.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Federal Elections Campaign Act already prohibits contributions from foreign nationals in connection with any federal, state or local election in the United States.  Penalties can range from fines to imprisonment.</p>
<p>&#8220;Foreign nationals&#8221; are defined in the Act as:<br />
Foreign governments;<br />
Foreign political parties;<br />
Foreign corporations;<br />
Foreign associations;<br />
Foreign partnerships;<br />
Individuals with foreign citizenship; and<br />
Immigrants who do not have a &#8220;green card</p>
<p>Congressional Republicans went after Clinton for accepting money from Chinese corporations; Democrats tried to go after Bush for accepting foreign contributions, but the Bush Justice Dept. wouldn&#8217;t investigate, and last October the Republicans made a huge brouhaha over Obama&#8217;s acceptance of contributions from ill-defined representatives Gaza.</p>
<p>For all these presidential campaigns to have been involved in questionable fundraising activity and for all of them to have escaped serious investigation, much less penalties, enforcement of FECA prohibitions obviously leaves a lot to be desired.</p>
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		<title>By: GWLawSchoolMom</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2009/05/02/justice-department-to-drop-espionage-case-against-aipac-lobbyists/#comment-51092</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[GWLawSchoolMom]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2009 19:26:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Isn&#039;t the larger question this: were those guys spies or not?  If not, and the Justice Dept says they are not then what&#039;s the big deal?  Do we not have enough spies, real and imagined, imprisoned?
As for Jane Harmon, I doubt that anything will happen to her, special or otherwise. She, after all, did say that she supported illegal wiretapping and the rest is up to the voters in her district. This makes her quite vulnerable in 2010.  Any opposition to her is sure to have begun making campaign ads about this like yesterday.  

I&#039;m hoping that there will be plenty of pain for former Bushco beneficiaries once Eric Holder and the Senate Judiciary Comm. get subpoenas out for torture.  Why don&#039;t we spend our time and capital choosing something that can happen if enough people band together to endorse this?


Btw Dredd, while AIPAC is a large and influential organization they don&#039;t influence elections directly or have any influence over which rep is assigned to what committee and if they get to chair that committee or not. Their main purpose is to make sure that we protect our strategic interests in the Middle East while insuring safety for the Israeli people.   They are having their annual Policy Conference in D.C. this coming week. I think it begins MOnday, but you can certainly find out more about them at their website.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t the larger question this: were those guys spies or not?  If not, and the Justice Dept says they are not then what&#8217;s the big deal?  Do we not have enough spies, real and imagined, imprisoned?<br />
As for Jane Harmon, I doubt that anything will happen to her, special or otherwise. She, after all, did say that she supported illegal wiretapping and the rest is up to the voters in her district. This makes her quite vulnerable in 2010.  Any opposition to her is sure to have begun making campaign ads about this like yesterday.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m hoping that there will be plenty of pain for former Bushco beneficiaries once Eric Holder and the Senate Judiciary Comm. get subpoenas out for torture.  Why don&#8217;t we spend our time and capital choosing something that can happen if enough people band together to endorse this?</p>
<p>Btw Dredd, while AIPAC is a large and influential organization they don&#8217;t influence elections directly or have any influence over which rep is assigned to what committee and if they get to chair that committee or not. Their main purpose is to make sure that we protect our strategic interests in the Middle East while insuring safety for the Israeli people.   They are having their annual Policy Conference in D.C. this coming week. I think it begins MOnday, but you can certainly find out more about them at their website.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymously Yours</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2009/05/02/justice-department-to-drop-espionage-case-against-aipac-lobbyists/#comment-51056</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymously Yours]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2009 13:40:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Messpo727272,

Public Trust, does that mean that any monies received by Rep Harman will be returned to the Department of Treasury? Yeah Right. 

I think that Foreign Campaign contributions should be banned. Oh heck, whats your problem with a little &quot;Gifts, Grafts and Gratuities and if she were a Judge it would be Gavel, Robes and Honorariums.&quot;

Man o Man you are trying to upset the Food Chain, the Ecosystem in Place, the payola. For that sir, you have invited an Audit for the last 7 years.

Only Kidding.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Messpo727272,</p>
<p>Public Trust, does that mean that any monies received by Rep Harman will be returned to the Department of Treasury? Yeah Right. </p>
<p>I think that Foreign Campaign contributions should be banned. Oh heck, whats your problem with a little &#8220;Gifts, Grafts and Gratuities and if she were a Judge it would be Gavel, Robes and Honorariums.&#8221;</p>
<p>Man o Man you are trying to upset the Food Chain, the Ecosystem in Place, the payola. For that sir, you have invited an Audit for the last 7 years.</p>
<p>Only Kidding.</p>
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		<title>By: mespo727272</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2009/05/02/justice-department-to-drop-espionage-case-against-aipac-lobbyists/#comment-51053</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mespo727272]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2009 13:01:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think the beneficiaries are those holding the public trust like Rep. Harman. I don&#039;t think it&#039;s a matter of &quot;favorable&quot; [favored?] countries or not, euros spend just like shekels. The problem is foreign campaign contributions that I would immediately ban. We have enough domestic bribery and don&#039;t need to branch out internationally.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the beneficiaries are those holding the public trust like Rep. Harman. I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s a matter of &#8220;favorable&#8221; [favored?] countries or not, euros spend just like shekels. The problem is foreign campaign contributions that I would immediately ban. We have enough domestic bribery and don&#8217;t need to branch out internationally.</p>
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		<title>By: Dredd</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dredd]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2009 12:58:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[She got the case dismissed now it is the duty of AIPAC to get her seated as chair of the Intelligence Committee.

Got Dirt? 

http://blogdredd.blogspot.com/2009/04/big-brother-two-edged-sword.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>She got the case dismissed now it is the duty of AIPAC to get her seated as chair of the Intelligence Committee.</p>
<p>Got Dirt? </p>
<p><a href="http://blogdredd.blogspot.com/2009/04/big-brother-two-edged-sword.html" rel="nofollow">http://blogdredd.blogspot.com/2009/04/big-brother-two-edged-sword.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Anonymously Yours</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2009/05/02/justice-department-to-drop-espionage-case-against-aipac-lobbyists/#comment-51051</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymously Yours]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2009 12:53:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Messpo727272.

Well hell yeah. Do you think espionage would be so lucrative if somebody did not benefit? Just too bad that some folks that really need the money get busted when its not a &quot;favorable&quot; country. 

I apologize if I offended anyone with the above remark.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Messpo727272.</p>
<p>Well hell yeah. Do you think espionage would be so lucrative if somebody did not benefit? Just too bad that some folks that really need the money get busted when its not a &#8220;favorable&#8221; country. </p>
<p>I apologize if I offended anyone with the above remark.</p>
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		<title>By: mespo727272</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2009/05/02/justice-department-to-drop-espionage-case-against-aipac-lobbyists/#comment-51049</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mespo727272]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2009 12:43:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Anon.:

&quot;Are you saying “Who Benefits”

**********

Like my avatar, I am always asking, &quot;Who benefits?&quot; I think there are other more prominent but less visible beneficiaries.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anon.:</p>
<p>&#8220;Are you saying “Who Benefits”</p>
<p>**********</p>
<p>Like my avatar, I am always asking, &#8220;Who benefits?&#8221; I think there are other more prominent but less visible beneficiaries.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymously Yours</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2009/05/02/justice-department-to-drop-espionage-case-against-aipac-lobbyists/#comment-51042</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymously Yours]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2009 12:02:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[mespo727272

Anon.:

Que Bono?
*********************************************************
Are you saying &quot;Who Benefits&quot;

Apparently, Steven J. Rosen and Keith Weissman for the alleged espionage and right now, Rep. Jane Harman. It has not been stated what will happen to what the NSA has against her.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mespo727272</p>
<p>Anon.:</p>
<p>Que Bono?<br />
*********************************************************<br />
Are you saying &#8220;Who Benefits&#8221;</p>
<p>Apparently, Steven J. Rosen and Keith Weissman for the alleged espionage and right now, Rep. Jane Harman. It has not been stated what will happen to what the NSA has against her.</p>
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		<title>By: mespo727272</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mespo727272]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2009 11:51:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Anon.:

Que Bono?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anon.:</p>
<p>Que Bono?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymously Yours</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2009/05/02/justice-department-to-drop-espionage-case-against-aipac-lobbyists/#comment-51038</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymously Yours]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2009 11:38:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Quid Pro Quo: Now Wheres My Dough?

Not bad, so if you spy for the Government of Israel and receive classified information then all is good? 

Does it matter how much money that you obtain? Does it matter if you get a better position? Does it matter if you do not claim whatever received in value or services or cold hard cash on your income taxes? Is that money or services technically tax exempt because it it came from the CIA operations budget, a Foreign Government or it is cash and its hard to trace?

I have an &quot;Enquiring&quot; Mind and I want to know?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quid Pro Quo: Now Wheres My Dough?</p>
<p>Not bad, so if you spy for the Government of Israel and receive classified information then all is good? </p>
<p>Does it matter how much money that you obtain? Does it matter if you get a better position? Does it matter if you do not claim whatever received in value or services or cold hard cash on your income taxes? Is that money or services technically tax exempt because it it came from the CIA operations budget, a Foreign Government or it is cash and its hard to trace?</p>
<p>I have an &#8220;Enquiring&#8221; Mind and I want to know?</p>
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