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	<title>Comments on: Pelosi Aide:  Speaker Was Told About Torture Being Used on Subjects</title>
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		<title>By: She said, she said &#171;</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2009/05/13/pelosi-aide-speaker-was-told-about-torture-being-used-on-subjects/#comment-54305</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[She said, she said &#171;]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 17:38:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] as escalation from her earlier &#8220;misled.&#8221; Yet a top Pelosi aide says Pelosi was told about the torture and did nothing. The CIA&#8217;s notes don&#8217;t seem to track with anyone [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] as escalation from her earlier &#8220;misled.&#8221; Yet a top Pelosi aide says Pelosi was told about the torture and did nothing. The CIA&#8217;s notes don&#8217;t seem to track with anyone [...]</p>
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		<title>By: lottakatz</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[lottakatz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 22:46:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[“The Obama administration’s adoption of the stonewalling tactics and opaque policies of the Bush administration flies in the face of the president’s stated desire to restore the rule of law,...&quot;

His decision is purely political, not moral. He doesn&#039;t want the public passion inflamed. He&#039;s on the wrong side on the torture issue.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“The Obama administration’s adoption of the stonewalling tactics and opaque policies of the Bush administration flies in the face of the president’s stated desire to restore the rule of law,&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>His decision is purely political, not moral. He doesn&#8217;t want the public passion inflamed. He&#8217;s on the wrong side on the torture issue.</p>
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		<title>By: Patty C</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2009/05/13/pelosi-aide-speaker-was-told-about-torture-being-used-on-subjects/#comment-53023</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Patty C]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 21:44:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[CCD,
I apologize. It must have been cut off in the pasting.
Try again. 

http://www.c-spanarchives.org/library/index.php?main_page=product_video_info&amp;products_id=194767-1]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CCD,<br />
I apologize. It must have been cut off in the pasting.<br />
Try again. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.c-spanarchives.org/library/index.php?main_page=product_video_info&#038;products_id=194767-1" rel="nofollow">http://www.c-spanarchives.org/library/index.php?main_page=product_video_info&#038;products_id=194767-1</a></p>
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		<title>By: CCD</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2009/05/13/pelosi-aide-speaker-was-told-about-torture-being-used-on-subjects/#comment-53020</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CCD]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 21:37:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Patty:
The C-Span link fails to load.  Thanks for the descriptive paragraphs.  
It&#039;s just as well I skip J. Yoo yucking and yacking with K. Starr.  
Watching these American Maroons might wreak my dinner apatite.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patty:<br />
The C-Span link fails to load.  Thanks for the descriptive paragraphs.<br />
It&#8217;s just as well I skip J. Yoo yucking and yacking with K. Starr.<br />
Watching these American Maroons might wreak my dinner apatite.</p>
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		<title>By: Patty C</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2009/05/13/pelosi-aide-speaker-was-told-about-torture-being-used-on-subjects/#comment-53013</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Patty C]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 21:15:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is no doubt a wiser decision upon consideration of opinions expressed in anticipation of their release by &#039;both sides&#039;
AND in the fields. 

Unlike his predecessor this man not only listens, he thinks!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is no doubt a wiser decision upon consideration of opinions expressed in anticipation of their release by &#8216;both sides&#8217;<br />
AND in the fields. </p>
<p>Unlike his predecessor this man not only listens, he thinks!</p>
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		<title>By: Jill</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2009/05/13/pelosi-aide-speaker-was-told-about-torture-being-used-on-subjects/#comment-53008</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jill]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 20:22:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[From the ACLU:

&quot;NEW YORK – The Obama administration announced today that it is reversing its promise to make public photos depicting detainee abuse by U.S. personnel overseas. The Department of Defense had told a federal judge that it would release a &quot;substantial number&quot; of photos in response to a court ruling in an American Civil Liberties Union Freedom of Information Act lawsuit.

The following can be attributed to Anthony D. Romero, Executive Director of the ACLU:

&quot;The Obama administration&#039;s adoption of the stonewalling tactics and opaque policies of the Bush administration flies in the face of the president&#039;s stated desire to restore the rule of law, to revive our moral standing in the world and to lead a transparent government. This decision is particularly disturbing given the Justice Department&#039;s failure to initiate a criminal investigation of torture crimes under the Bush administration.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the ACLU:</p>
<p>&#8220;NEW YORK – The Obama administration announced today that it is reversing its promise to make public photos depicting detainee abuse by U.S. personnel overseas. The Department of Defense had told a federal judge that it would release a &#8220;substantial number&#8221; of photos in response to a court ruling in an American Civil Liberties Union Freedom of Information Act lawsuit.</p>
<p>The following can be attributed to Anthony D. Romero, Executive Director of the ACLU:</p>
<p>&#8220;The Obama administration&#8217;s adoption of the stonewalling tactics and opaque policies of the Bush administration flies in the face of the president&#8217;s stated desire to restore the rule of law, to revive our moral standing in the world and to lead a transparent government. This decision is particularly disturbing given the Justice Department&#8217;s failure to initiate a criminal investigation of torture crimes under the Bush administration.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: eniobob</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2009/05/13/pelosi-aide-speaker-was-told-about-torture-being-used-on-subjects/#comment-53005</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[eniobob]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 19:45:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[CCD.
This may be the crossing of the &quot;T&quot;in your post.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/13/opinion/13dowd.html?ref=opinion]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CCD.<br />
This may be the crossing of the &#8220;T&#8221;in your post.<br />
<a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/13/opinion/13dowd.html?ref=opinion" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/13/opinion/13dowd.html?ref=opinion</a></p>
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		<title>By: DNI report shows that Pelosi lied about enhanced interrogation briefing - Page 8 - FlyerTalk Forums</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2009/05/13/pelosi-aide-speaker-was-told-about-torture-being-used-on-subjects/#comment-53004</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DNI report shows that Pelosi lied about enhanced interrogation briefing - Page 8 - FlyerTalk Forums]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 19:00:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] all of that, write a CYA memo that she could slip into the desk drawer in her office?   Maybe Jonathan Turley, whose position is hardly flattering to the Bush Administration, can set you straight:  [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] all of that, write a CYA memo that she could slip into the desk drawer in her office?   Maybe Jonathan Turley, whose position is hardly flattering to the Bush Administration, can set you straight:  [...]</p>
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		<title>By: CCD</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2009/05/13/pelosi-aide-speaker-was-told-about-torture-being-used-on-subjects/#comment-53002</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CCD]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 18:51:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Eniobob:
Please keep those terrific links coming, I’m grateful!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eniobob:<br />
Please keep those terrific links coming, I’m grateful!</p>
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		<title>By: CCD</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CCD]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 18:48:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dick Cheney is right on script with his Col. Jessup characterization.  (Thanks Mike A.)  Cheney’s derisive interviews to the MSM, earnestly supporting what he learned from Nixon, that if the president declares it’s legal it must be.  

Madam Pelosi when briefed about torture succumbed to what Mike S. refers to as “Her insider status… she swallowed any qualms she might have had and totally abdicated her clear constitutional responsibility.”  Now she covers up with lies and is getting caught.  

As JT so succinctly points out, when the MSM debates the effectiveness of torture it too is guilty of deriding the truth.   John Yoo, Harry Reid, et all, behave in the same way when defending their actions with regard to institutionally violating the constitution.       

We the people seem to be in the first of three stages.  The second will occur once a Special Prosecutor begins investigating the tortured truth.  Let’s let them continue defending their treasonous behavior in publicly recorded forums.  

All truth passes through three stages. 
First, it is ridiculed. 
Second, it is violently opposed. 
Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.    
Philosopher Arthur Schopenhauer]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dick Cheney is right on script with his Col. Jessup characterization.  (Thanks Mike A.)  Cheney’s derisive interviews to the MSM, earnestly supporting what he learned from Nixon, that if the president declares it’s legal it must be.  </p>
<p>Madam Pelosi when briefed about torture succumbed to what Mike S. refers to as “Her insider status… she swallowed any qualms she might have had and totally abdicated her clear constitutional responsibility.”  Now she covers up with lies and is getting caught.  </p>
<p>As JT so succinctly points out, when the MSM debates the effectiveness of torture it too is guilty of deriding the truth.   John Yoo, Harry Reid, et all, behave in the same way when defending their actions with regard to institutionally violating the constitution.       </p>
<p>We the people seem to be in the first of three stages.  The second will occur once a Special Prosecutor begins investigating the tortured truth.  Let’s let them continue defending their treasonous behavior in publicly recorded forums.  </p>
<p>All truth passes through three stages.<br />
First, it is ridiculed.<br />
Second, it is violently opposed.<br />
Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.<br />
Philosopher Arthur Schopenhauer</p>
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		<title>By: franklkinney</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2009/05/13/pelosi-aide-speaker-was-told-about-torture-being-used-on-subjects/#comment-52992</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[franklkinney]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 17:38:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[pelosi our beloved house speaker! i had no clue of water boarding torture thank you! yet was brief on it? pelosi pig latin or what? told torture would be used but torture was not actually used? airhead answer from our beloved house speaker! truth committee alarm alert! kooks in legislation and security of our country in their buthead minds? oversight harman well i just thought everything was on the up and up answer so i apporved of it too? harman and pelosi both say they excepted torture because white house said it was lawful? apporove it! now want investigation on it? torture! human rights! live in america now! mental torture and sissy imbeciles of gibberish in barney frank washington DC where one in ten have aids? NO TRANSPARENCY over billions and billions of dollars of american tax payers money in their vulgar liars and corrupt hands! now health care reform minds news? imbeciles of lies and deception and most of all no transparency? the jewish homosexual and illegal immigration agenda and rear end policies?  INDEPENDENT from them&quot; for our own mental heath and peace of mind! AMEN.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>pelosi our beloved house speaker! i had no clue of water boarding torture thank you! yet was brief on it? pelosi pig latin or what? told torture would be used but torture was not actually used? airhead answer from our beloved house speaker! truth committee alarm alert! kooks in legislation and security of our country in their buthead minds? oversight harman well i just thought everything was on the up and up answer so i apporved of it too? harman and pelosi both say they excepted torture because white house said it was lawful? apporove it! now want investigation on it? torture! human rights! live in america now! mental torture and sissy imbeciles of gibberish in barney frank washington DC where one in ten have aids? NO TRANSPARENCY over billions and billions of dollars of american tax payers money in their vulgar liars and corrupt hands! now health care reform minds news? imbeciles of lies and deception and most of all no transparency? the jewish homosexual and illegal immigration agenda and rear end policies?  INDEPENDENT from them&#8221; for our own mental heath and peace of mind! AMEN.</p>
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		<title>By: Patty C</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Patty C]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 17:33:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For those who don&#039;t remember Ken Starr...

I also might add his uncle, CV Starr, is one and the same 
of AIG fame and former CEO Maurice Greenberg&#039;s mentor.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenneth_Starr

Kenneth Winston Starr (born July 21, 1946) is an American lawyer and former judge and solicitor general who was appointed to the Office of the Independent Counsel to investigate the suicide death of the deputy White House counsel Vince Foster and the Whitewater land transactions by U.S. President Bill Clinton. He later submitted to Congress the Starr Report, which opened the door for Clinton&#039;s impeachment based on charges arising from the Monica Lewinsky scandal.

Starr currently serves as dean of Pepperdine University School of Law in Malibu, California. He has also filed a lawsuit to invalidate more than 18,000 marriages in California based on Proposition 8. Kenneth Starr is also the nephew of insurance tycoon C.V. Starr.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those who don&#8217;t remember Ken Starr&#8230;</p>
<p>I also might add his uncle, CV Starr, is one and the same<br />
of AIG fame and former CEO Maurice Greenberg&#8217;s mentor.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenneth_Starr" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenneth_Starr</a></p>
<p>Kenneth Winston Starr (born July 21, 1946) is an American lawyer and former judge and solicitor general who was appointed to the Office of the Independent Counsel to investigate the suicide death of the deputy White House counsel Vince Foster and the Whitewater land transactions by U.S. President Bill Clinton. He later submitted to Congress the Starr Report, which opened the door for Clinton&#8217;s impeachment based on charges arising from the Monica Lewinsky scandal.</p>
<p>Starr currently serves as dean of Pepperdine University School of Law in Malibu, California. He has also filed a lawsuit to invalidate more than 18,000 marriages in California based on Proposition 8. Kenneth Starr is also the nephew of insurance tycoon C.V. Starr.<br />
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		<title>By: Patty C</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2009/05/13/pelosi-aide-speaker-was-told-about-torture-being-used-on-subjects/#comment-52989</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Patty C]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 17:10:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Does anyone remember Ken Starr... 

Having caught just the last part of this weekend&#039;s CSPAN2 John Yoo Book discussion from 2006, sorely reminded me, yet again, how much did not get accomplished while he was Special Prosecutor and how much money it cost to find nothing. 

I think I actually prefer the &#039;open forum&#039; we&#039;re having now 
- AND it&#039;s &#039;free&#039;...

http://www.c-spanarchives.org/library/index.php?main_page=product_video_info&amp;products_id=194767-1

John Yoo talked about his book, War by Other Means: An Insider&#039;s Account of the War on Terror, published by Atlantic Monthly Press. Mr. Yoo argued that the traditional balance of powers must shift to the executive branch when America is at war. He described how the Bush administration grappled with the legal questions brought about by the events of September 11 and the early days of the war on terrorism. At that time Mr. Yoo served as a deputy assistant attorney general in the Office of Legal Counsel of the U.S. Department of Justice. Issues included the designation of the remains of the World Trade Center as a crime scene or a battlefield. Until that question was answered, the president&#039;s legal authority to act was unclear.

After his presentation, Mr. Yoo was joined in discussion by former Independent Counsel Kenneth Starr and Professor Jeffrey Rosen. The discussion was moderated by Mr. Schmitt. The panelists also responded to questions from members of the audience.
American Enterprise Institute]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does anyone remember Ken Starr&#8230; </p>
<p>Having caught just the last part of this weekend&#8217;s CSPAN2 John Yoo Book discussion from 2006, sorely reminded me, yet again, how much did not get accomplished while he was Special Prosecutor and how much money it cost to find nothing. </p>
<p>I think I actually prefer the &#8216;open forum&#8217; we&#8217;re having now<br />
- AND it&#8217;s &#8216;free&#8217;&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.c-spanarchives.org/library/index.php?main_page=product_video_info&#038;products_id=194767-1" rel="nofollow">http://www.c-spanarchives.org/library/index.php?main_page=product_video_info&#038;products_id=194767-1</a></p>
<p>John Yoo talked about his book, War by Other Means: An Insider&#8217;s Account of the War on Terror, published by Atlantic Monthly Press. Mr. Yoo argued that the traditional balance of powers must shift to the executive branch when America is at war. He described how the Bush administration grappled with the legal questions brought about by the events of September 11 and the early days of the war on terrorism. At that time Mr. Yoo served as a deputy assistant attorney general in the Office of Legal Counsel of the U.S. Department of Justice. Issues included the designation of the remains of the World Trade Center as a crime scene or a battlefield. Until that question was answered, the president&#8217;s legal authority to act was unclear.</p>
<p>After his presentation, Mr. Yoo was joined in discussion by former Independent Counsel Kenneth Starr and Professor Jeffrey Rosen. The discussion was moderated by Mr. Schmitt. The panelists also responded to questions from members of the audience.<br />
American Enterprise Institute</p>
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		<title>By: eniobob</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[eniobob]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 16:27:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The hearings held by Senator Whitehouse,What a Joke.

Seemingly qualified people there,and the senators were so busy going to vote,going to meetings and then Whitehouse had to catch a flight.What a joke.Lindsey Graham was very arrogant in his questioning.This very important issue,What a joke.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The hearings held by Senator Whitehouse,What a Joke.</p>
<p>Seemingly qualified people there,and the senators were so busy going to vote,going to meetings and then Whitehouse had to catch a flight.What a joke.Lindsey Graham was very arrogant in his questioning.This very important issue,What a joke.</p>
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		<title>By: Giglmon</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Giglmon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 16:26:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My god, this women is really nasty looking. Maybe someone tortured her by mistake.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My god, this women is really nasty looking. Maybe someone tortured her by mistake.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Appleton</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Appleton]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 15:28:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Rep. Pelosi compromised her position, which explains her constant waffling on the issue of investigation and prosecution. The continuing disclosures, however much satisfaction they may give to Republican apologists for torture policies,simply reinforce the need to get it all out in the open, and let the chips fall where they may. Republicans and Democrats alike need to realize that those of us who are committed to the rule of law with a capital &quot;L&quot; are not political partisans.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rep. Pelosi compromised her position, which explains her constant waffling on the issue of investigation and prosecution. The continuing disclosures, however much satisfaction they may give to Republican apologists for torture policies,simply reinforce the need to get it all out in the open, and let the chips fall where they may. Republicans and Democrats alike need to realize that those of us who are committed to the rule of law with a capital &#8220;L&#8221; are not political partisans.</p>
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		<title>By: Jill</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jill]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 14:58:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The aquienscence to the executive branch, an act of extreme cowardice and irresponsibility, had a large role in allowing the executive to commit all of its illegal actions.  Imagaine having a functional Congress that would have never have passed the PATRIOT act, especailly without even bothering to read it first.  Imagine no AUMF.  If the Congress would have taken it&#039;s duties seriously, they might have stopped much of what has come to pass.  

It&#039;s why I worry again, that Congress will not step up to the plate and function as an actual branch of govt.  They need to clean out their own people and elevate those who protect the  Constitution.  They need to stand up to the current executive in his quest to grab unimagined powers for himself.  The Congress should select new leaders and start a self investigation.  They should tell Holder they will impeach him if he will not appoint an independent special prosecutor.  

I realize there are many people who say wait.  To me, this is a dangerous course of action.  When powerful people are out of control and amassing more power, they must be stopped sooner, rather than later.  It is possible cheney might have been stopped by a Congress willing to take a stand.  It is possible that Obama&#039;s executive overreaching and Congressional leadership&#039;s complicity with torture can be stopped and independent investigations of bushco begun if an agressive, actual third governing branch will step forward and act.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The aquienscence to the executive branch, an act of extreme cowardice and irresponsibility, had a large role in allowing the executive to commit all of its illegal actions.  Imagaine having a functional Congress that would have never have passed the PATRIOT act, especailly without even bothering to read it first.  Imagine no AUMF.  If the Congress would have taken it&#8217;s duties seriously, they might have stopped much of what has come to pass.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s why I worry again, that Congress will not step up to the plate and function as an actual branch of govt.  They need to clean out their own people and elevate those who protect the  Constitution.  They need to stand up to the current executive in his quest to grab unimagined powers for himself.  The Congress should select new leaders and start a self investigation.  They should tell Holder they will impeach him if he will not appoint an independent special prosecutor.  </p>
<p>I realize there are many people who say wait.  To me, this is a dangerous course of action.  When powerful people are out of control and amassing more power, they must be stopped sooner, rather than later.  It is possible cheney might have been stopped by a Congress willing to take a stand.  It is possible that Obama&#8217;s executive overreaching and Congressional leadership&#8217;s complicity with torture can be stopped and independent investigations of bushco begun if an agressive, actual third governing branch will step forward and act.</p>
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		<title>By: Millie Bea</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Millie Bea]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 14:52:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[WHEN will we be able to trust our govenment?  What happens to these people between the first time they are elected and when they walk in the front doors of the Capitol?  Are they abducted by aliens?  Do they hold secret classes in the basement on pandering, speaking out of both sides of your mouth, lying so quickly that no one actually hears the words you are saying, how to grab as much cash for your friends as you can?  It has to stop-it is so exhausting to contact your Senators and Comgresspeople and have them just flap their jaws over your concerns.  I know that they may not be elected again- but they might because people are so disgusted they don&#039;t vote.  Nancy Pelosi is a thoroughly frightening example.  John Murtha- don&#039;t get me started.  I can&#039;t even get my Senator Cardin to respond to my messages unless they are about the Chesapeake Bay- which is the only thing the man seems to be interested in.  Mikulski should work for Hallmark- there is no substance in anything she says- nothing can stick to any of them.  No one will take a stand and hold fast.  It has to stop.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WHEN will we be able to trust our govenment?  What happens to these people between the first time they are elected and when they walk in the front doors of the Capitol?  Are they abducted by aliens?  Do they hold secret classes in the basement on pandering, speaking out of both sides of your mouth, lying so quickly that no one actually hears the words you are saying, how to grab as much cash for your friends as you can?  It has to stop-it is so exhausting to contact your Senators and Comgresspeople and have them just flap their jaws over your concerns.  I know that they may not be elected again- but they might because people are so disgusted they don&#8217;t vote.  Nancy Pelosi is a thoroughly frightening example.  John Murtha- don&#8217;t get me started.  I can&#8217;t even get my Senator Cardin to respond to my messages unless they are about the Chesapeake Bay- which is the only thing the man seems to be interested in.  Mikulski should work for Hallmark- there is no substance in anything she says- nothing can stick to any of them.  No one will take a stand and hold fast.  It has to stop.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymously Yours</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymously Yours]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 14:52:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Let me remind you of the great words of Henry Ford II, after he was caught red handed with pictures of his girlfriend at his divorce trial. He settled and said &quot;Never complain, never explain.&quot; Good words to live by.

The problem with lying, the other person has to sing to the fishes. They can&#039;t sign as they might be bound and wound with lime related slippers.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me remind you of the great words of Henry Ford II, after he was caught red handed with pictures of his girlfriend at his divorce trial. He settled and said &#8220;Never complain, never explain.&#8221; Good words to live by.</p>
<p>The problem with lying, the other person has to sing to the fishes. They can&#8217;t sign as they might be bound and wound with lime related slippers.</p>
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		<title>By: eniobob</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2009/05/13/pelosi-aide-speaker-was-told-about-torture-being-used-on-subjects/#comment-52960</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[eniobob]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 14:34:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[http://www.dni.gov/press_releases/Declassified_NIE_Key_Judgments.pdf]]></description>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jason]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 13:25:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So what? this is still no defense for the Bush Administration. Whether Pelosi knew about it or not, waterboarding is still illegal and something we have prosecuted for since WWII. The only difference here, is that perhaps she is now as legally liable as Bush.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So what? this is still no defense for the Bush Administration. Whether Pelosi knew about it or not, waterboarding is still illegal and something we have prosecuted for since WWII. The only difference here, is that perhaps she is now as legally liable as Bush.</p>
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		<title>By: rafflaw</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rafflaw]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 11:51:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Time for the the congresswoman to exit, stage right.  Maybe if she had put impeachment on the table in 2007, she wouldn&#039;t be in this position. One more thing though, even if she &quot;ok&#039;d&quot; the torture, it was and is, still illegal.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Time for the the congresswoman to exit, stage right.  Maybe if she had put impeachment on the table in 2007, she wouldn&#8217;t be in this position. One more thing though, even if she &#8220;ok&#8217;d&#8221; the torture, it was and is, still illegal.</p>
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		<title>By: mespo727272</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mespo727272]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 11:48:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Is there no end to this cesspool?. Fire &#039;em all and let a special prosecutor sort them out.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is there no end to this cesspool?. Fire &#8216;em all and let a special prosecutor sort them out.</p>
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		<title>By: eniobob</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[eniobob]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 11:18:19 +0000</pubDate>
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