Comments on: Bauer: Good Christians Torture

By: zeusiswatching

zeusiswatching — Wed, 26 Aug 2009 20:14:48 +0000

Three months later, we are still at war. I guess that torture stuff didn’t work too well after all.

By: Sally

Sally — Sat, 16 May 2009 12:34:06 +0000

Mespo…
Thanks for checking it out at least. I think it’s important to read about issues from all viewpoints, even if one doesn’t agree with it. I believe that it further helps one understand things if you read info from both sides of the fence.

By: mespo727272

mespo727272 — Sat, 16 May 2009 03:27:46 +0000

Thanks Sally for the site. Looks like a selective reading of the text. While many passages extol the virtues of kindness and love, an equal amount resort to depravity and violence to solve problems. Such an internally inconsistent work shouldn’t serve as the basis for a philosophy. Is it really the best we can do? I’d take that rubbish of Khalil Gibran’s over it any time. At least “The Prophet” doesn’t condone slavery.

By: Patty C

Patty C — Sat, 16 May 2009 00:47:48 +0000

Mespo wrote:

Here’s a few off the top of my head:

“A fool’s lips enter into contention, and his mouth calleth for strokes.” Proverbs 18:6

“A whip for the horse, a bridle for the ass, and a rod for the fool’s back.” Proverbs 26:3

“And it shall be, if the wicked man be worthy to be beaten, that the judge shall cause him to lie down, and to be beaten before his face, according to his fault, by a certain number.” Deuteronomy 25:2

“Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die. Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell.” Proverbs 23: 13-14

And I ‘m just in the Old Testament.

—
I’d like to know when mespo and I might be permitted to conceive
‘OUR’ love child together outside of our perspective ongoing relationships…

I’d vote for him for President or anything else he chose to run for!

By: Anonymously Yours

Anonymously Yours — Sat, 16 May 2009 00:44:47 +0000

Sally,

Only if you use warm water. But then you will have to clean up the other mess?

By: Sally

Sally — Sat, 16 May 2009 00:26:15 +0000

Mike…
How about soap and waterboarding?? Not only are you punishing your kid, but they’re also getting a bath at the same time! !

okay, bad joke, I know!

By: Sally

Sally — Sat, 16 May 2009 00:25:07 +0000

Mespo…
check out this site.

http://www.gotquestions.org/torture-Bible.html

Let me know what you think

By: Mike Appleton

Mike Appleton — Sat, 16 May 2009 00:22:39 +0000

Parents used to wash their kids mouths out with soap. Can’t we just waterboard them now? After all, if waterboarding is not torture and physical punishment is not torture, then it follows that waterboarding should be an acceptable form of punishment.

By: mespo727272

mespo727272 — Sat, 16 May 2009 00:08:02 +0000

Rod your kids for talking back? How about beating your neighbor for letting his dog urinate in your yard? Explain the difference to me then — in the context of these Biblical examples.

By: E

Fri, 15 May 2009 13:52:18 +0000

Mespo:

Punishment is not torture.

By: David

David — Fri, 15 May 2009 03:42:18 +0000

I used to think it would be funny to create a bumper sticker that said WWJT? to parody those WWJD? ones that used to be popular. I thought it might make some Christians stop and think about where some of their leaders were moving. Now I think it might actually be a hit, proving H.L. Mencken’s comment about nobody ever going broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people. I knew modern Christians had forgotten to “visit the imprisoned” but didn’t realize so many had come to condone torture. That it should come to this.

By: lottakatz

lottakatz — Fri, 15 May 2009 01:05:54 +0000

Let ‘em keep talking. The fundies are revealing themselves to be as irrelevant and crazy as the neo-cons and their organized Republican followers. Pardon me while I enjoy the self destruction; can I get ya’ another log to throw on that funeral pyre?

By: Anonymously Yours

Anonymously Yours — Fri, 15 May 2009 00:33:59 +0000

Ok, now we sing, Good Christian Men Rejoice, Good Christian Men Rejoice. About what I don’t know. But if they say Torture is good, then it must be.

Oral Roberts (Two Gay Guys named Bob) saw a 70 foot Jesus and said Oral. This was as he was looking him straight in the eyes and said Oral, I want you to build me a University right here in Oklahoma. So it was done.

Then I want you to make your son the successor so we can ask him to resign after the terror and we will pay him and his wife for 2 years after that ok. Oral and I want you to sit on the side of me, when you come up here ok. There will only be room for 144,000. That would be 12,000 from the 12 tribes.

Jesus.

By: mespo727272

mespo727272 — Thu, 14 May 2009 23:49:14 +0000

Sally:

“God does not condone torture. I’d like to know exactly where in the Bible this man found that God gave the okay for torture.”

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Here’s a few off the top of my head:

“A fool’s lips enter into contention, and his mouth calleth for strokes.” Proverbs 18:6

“A whip for the horse, a bridle for the ass, and a rod for the fool’s back.” Proverbs 26:3

“Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die. Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell.” Proverbs 23: 13-14

And I ‘m just in the Old Testament.

By: katie-did

katie-did — Thu, 14 May 2009 17:28:55 +0000

Be grateful to him, folks. The massive failures of the current manifestation of the Republican Party have alienated many former conservatives. Fools like Bauer who defend, in the name of Christ, the grotesque Constitutional and humanitarian abuses of the Bush administration will further alienate thinking Americans from the un-Holy alliance between evangelicals and the Republican Party. Evangelicals are rapidly being marginalized as it is– and this latest heresy will speed the process.

By: Sally

Sally — Thu, 14 May 2009 15:53:00 +0000

God does not condone torture. I’d like to know exactly where in the Bible this man found that God gave the okay for torture.

But he is an evangelical and those folks are way off base on many things, especially this.

By: rcampbell

rcampbell — Thu, 14 May 2009 15:48:24 +0000

Which part of “Do unto others…” escapes Mr Bauer’s Christian ethic. I guess the Christians’ much publicized use of the What Would Jesus Do phrase is no longer operative. Bauer sure threw icy cold water on that tidbit of bumper-sticker proselytizing. He sounds like a parody from The Wizard of Oz”—-”Pay no attention to what Jesus would do. It’s not important. Who are you going to believe, me or the stuff you read in the Bible”?

By: CCD

CCD — Thu, 14 May 2009 15:41:35 +0000

Yiddisher Kop with the long view, score!

By: Mike Spindell

Mike Spindell — Thu, 14 May 2009 15:23:32 +0000

Bauer is correct. This was what occurred at the Council of Nicaea in 325CE to ensure that the dissenters re: Jesus’ divinity were silenced. It was done at the Council of Hippo circa 375CE, to ensure the Canon went the way the Church leaders wanted. It was done throughout the Crusades, even before the Crusaders left Europe and some Jews could be rounded up. It was a staple of the Inquisition and than also became a staple of determining heresy in Protestant locales as well, after Luther’s ascendancy. It was done in America as they hunted witches. That Christian’s torture is a fact of their history. Why should a fundamentalist hypocrite, who is in it for the money, like Mr. Bauer believe differently? How is he wrong when you view it historically?

By: FormerFederalNothing

FormerFederalNothing — Thu, 14 May 2009 15:21:32 +0000

When I first saw the headline, I thought this article was going to be on a 24 plot development.

By: Queen of Sheba

Queen of Sheba — Thu, 14 May 2009 15:04:22 +0000

Rationalization by contortion – or maybe pretzel logic – that’s what Gary Bauer is exhibiting. Christian principles, not so much. I’ve never heard such convoluted reasoning in my life, and if Jesus really does return for a final judgment day, the followers of this kind of “Christianity” are going to be in a state of shock for their entire trip to hell.

By: Anonymously Yours

Anonymously Yours — Thu, 14 May 2009 14:08:21 +0000

This is just unF***ing believable. What if you don’t pay your pew fees, do you still get to sit and listen to him. I think maybe he should be thrown from the Temple as a money changer.

By: CCD

CCD — Thu, 14 May 2009 13:47:15 +0000

S/B Altemeyer taught me everything I know about Cook County Democats!

By: CharlesC

CharlesC — Thu, 14 May 2009 13:44:00 +0000

I guess “What would Jesus do?” is supposed to be more of a rhetorical question. It sounds as if Mr. Bauer knows quite a bit about what God and Jesus think and want, perhaps he should be tortured in case he is holding any further information back from us??

By: CCD

CCD — Thu, 14 May 2009 13:43:47 +0000

Altemeyer taught me everything I know about Democats!

By: Yankee

Yankee — Thu, 14 May 2009 13:39:52 +0000

Authoritarians. A must read, “The Authoritarians” by Dr. Bob Altemeyer of University of Manitoba. http://www.scribd.com/doc/6433397/The-Authoritarians

By: CCD

CCD — Thu, 14 May 2009 13:13:02 +0000

Didn’t get the kinder garden memo, ‘reap what you sow’, fearful, law shreding, evangelical, jingoistic, maroons.

By: blogenfreude

blogenfreude — Thu, 14 May 2009 12:57:42 +0000

How did our discourse come to be dominated by sociopaths?