This makes me want to be another species.

Unrelated to this story other than a child is hurt.

Horrific is not a strong enough word.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/05/19/angel-vidal-mendoza-accus_n_205442.html

I think I see a future “Without a Trace” episode in the making. That or a “Law and Order” episode.

Child misses hearing, arrest warrant issued for mother, orders to place child in protective custody.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20090519/us-forced-chemo/

Oh well. Let the kid die then. If his parents can live with that, then so be it.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30824587/

I was speaking of the trolls, when speaking of baiting the baitable.

Bron, I can assure you I am not. I hope you can see I have my own style of writing, posting or whatever. I have been slammed by Patty C for using periods where I should have used a comma. I know I did point out to her that I am guilty of the same, but that if she is going to look at the gramatics then she must look at her own, as I did read past poster and the Prof is sometimes a slouch as well.

The inaneness of her comments are unmerited in most cases. I read through the blawg of Friday and she was insulting to FF LEO for no reason at all. Just because she disagreed with what he had to say. I think that a lot of people here are unhappy with the tyranny of a few or even one.

It is the self centered justification that we complain of the Bush/Cheney Reicht. Cannot that be seen here as well? We are not in grade school nor are we currying favors of anyone or at least I am not. We have to use our social and moral compass to over come what has become common place and not necessarily correct but accepted because it is easier to do that buck the trend.

I am not aware if you have suffered the wrath and indignation as well I see some feel that it is their divine right to correct and acidictly comment on what someone else, a regular has posted. Now they may have social discourse off of this site that I am not aware of. But from what I have seen, it is unwarranted and unmerited in all if not most instances. Do you not agree?

AY,

Intentional sadism in any form is not attractive, no matter how much fun it gives someone, except for those mutually consenting adults for who it’s a sexual predilection. We ban the baiting of bears for its’ cruelty, why should the baiting of humans be fun? I’m not getting all self-righteous on you, because I’ve done a bit of baiting myself and have felt that same guilty pleasure. However, after I’ve done it I’ve regretted the acts as being disappointing in that they were beneath the standards that I hold for myself.

I arrived at this site during Bartleby’s hey day and that character was as insidious, as it was insincere. While I think you and Bron are just you and Bron, I understand Patty’s wariness. Her inherent point was that Bartleby held sway because he was taken seriously and treated with courtesy by some on the site, thus perpetuating its’ disruptive presence.

As Buddha implied in an eloquent post on another thread today, this site is an important tool in prosecuting the battle against anti-constitutional behavior and attacks on civil liberties. What the Professor does on TV, in the classroom and in Court are not only acts of truth, but acts of courage. Our support here assists him in his endeavors. Buddha also clearly pleaded for the understanding that part of our function here is to draw people into a discussion of the issues Jonathan raises, to increase the numbers of those who understand the issues and are willing to fight for our liberties. The trolls are aware of this and try their best to disrupt the effort by turning people off to the discussion. We need to not assist them in their work.

So how is Florida?

Bug off worm.

Are you here today? Have not heard near a peep out of you. Now, if I said that to Buddha, he would be down at the booth. You see thats all they have to do in Kansas in the summer time.

Buddha,

Now where exactly did that beef come from by the time it gets to Kansas? Oh yeah it started in Texas. Don’t for get it. You all just got to keep all of them lonely cowboys after the Trail. I think Kansas was the filming of Broken Back Cowboy. Are you lonesome tonight?

Now for your ex nah, kinda like family, If she ain’t good nuff for you, she ain’t good nuff for me. You can’t try and trick me and pawn her off on me.

Disclaimer.

The above was only meant as insulting to Buddha and Buddha alone. If others have read this and are offended, it was at your own risk. Buddha, I was only kiddin. I thin you and I could be great friends outside of this blawg thing. Only if it did not cost too much.

It is not about her and a substantial time has been taken away from other issues just because Jill Posts or FF LEO asks her to quite down and she trys and shut him down.

If she has as much education as she claims she would be smarter than this and not even be on here. She would be way, way too good for us.

I am having fun baiting the baitable. One can only live for this clean clear conscience fun.

I thought we should have a Troll Judge us as we know they would slap us all down for disagreeing with them.

I said that in you are very eloquent with your words. I usually read this on my phone as it is easier to keep up. I would look goofier than I already am if I tried to carry my laptop and read at the same time.

I have been told by many that I remind them of the absent minded professor. No racial slur intended but I can drive slower than an Asian when I am in deep thought.

I appreciate the words of wisdom that you espouse and relish your good naturedness on the trolls. Suffer as they must. I appreciate your words of encouragement as well as everyone else’s.

That is why I have a qualm with that. You know my situation and frankly I would hate like hell to have to make that choice. But if I had to make that choice this would be a perplexing as pulling the plug or quantity of life or for that fact abortion. I say that this is a personal choice and the state should not be involved. So say that the treatment is unsuccessful then is it quantity of life?

A side note, my parents were in the medical center in Houston as a child they were given an apartment in a hotel. MD Anderson leased space for the children and parents to live at while they were going through an invasive procedure. I remember many a night hearing the groans of children. It had quite an effect on me at the time and it still does. To see children with there head shaved and purple marks on them. I am thankful I an not in that position to have to make that choice. I am tearing as I write this as I can only imagine the hell that these kids went through and the parents.

This is why I said I just don’t know.

I can’t answer for Siddhartha, this Buddha would do the following:

I would explain all the relevant factors to the child and then ask him if he wants to live (get treatment) or die (refuse treatment).

It’s his life, not his parents (no matter even if they still retain responsibility for his actions as a minor). This is a life and death issue. HIS life or death. The child is a minor but of age to understand that death is forever. Your life, what you have when you lay down at night on your immediate person and what you wake with, is all one has in this world. The rest is just illusion – including one’s religion of choice. Basic existence is the most very fundamental of human rights. The child, as a successful living being outside the womb, has every right to exist that you or I have. To deprive him of that right without his choice (or at least substantial input) strikes me as manifestly unjust.

The State’s obligation to protect life and property from others supercede others’ rights to practice their religion.
Thus if a person’s religious beliefs mandate they take a life, or destroy another’s property, then the law’s allegience is to the life or property first, not protection of the religious practice.

In this case, the legal guardians of a person who is not considered legally competant, are making decisions for that person; those decisions are religiously motivated and (arguably) will result in an objectively life threatening circumstance.

The law’s precedence is thus: The incompetant’s (non)desire for medical treatment is advisory but not dispositive, the legal guardians’ religiously based desire to withhold medical treatment for their ward is ordinarily mandatory, except to the extent that that desire will objectively result in loss of life or irreparable significant harm.

So, much like in any child abuse analysis, the state leaves treatment of wards in matters of religion alone – unless those religious decisions will harm the ward. If harm will come from that treatment, then the state says prevention of harm supercedes religious rights.

You are forgiven. Sin No more. Go, your faith has sent you free.

“As you probably noticed, the values predicting private charity in America tend to smile on the political right. Conservatives are twice as likely as liberals to attend a house of worship regularly; conservatives are one third as likely as liberals to say the government should “do more” to reduce income inequality; conservatives also have about 40 percent more children than liberals. Furthermore, there is a fringe on today’s political left that goes beyond simple neglect of charity, and openly condemns it, claiming that it lets governments off the hook from having to pay for services. So while there may be nothing inherently charitable about political conservatism, today’s conservatives do outperform liberals on most measures of private giving.”

The bottom line is all you have to do is google conservative charitable rates and you will find plenty of evidence that yes indeed Conservatives donate to charity far in excess of liberals, both in terms of dollars and % of income and/or assets.

sheese.

Mespo72Cubed, Mike Spindell and others you are my champs. Independence is rampant on this list/blawg. I truly appreciate this. Now if you could only enlist the unenlistable.

I wonder what Buddha would do?

For my two cents. If this was a belief that I truly held, would I want government intrusion in my life? If I thought that I was doing what I honestly believed and I was sober and capable of making a decision like this, would I want this type of intrusion. No.

Do I think that government is making correct decision here? I am not sure. Would I want government to tell me what is the proper belief I believe? NO.

Do I think that if my family had not converted because it was not popular, did they do the right thing? I don’t know. Can I be partly Christian or Jewish? Does it matter? There was a time that you were persecuted because you were Jewish or people would not deal with you, or sell you a house.

I do not say this lightly, but I have lost a child. This by his own choice. Am I upset with my exwife? No.

Did she say that she would turn the children against me, if we ever got divorced? Yes. Was I angry at the time for some of the things she did? Yes.

Have I forgiven her? Yes. Does she have to live in her own hell today? I do not know. Do I forgive her? Today I can.

That is all.

Your link you provided indicated nothing about conservatives donating 50% more then non-conservatives.

Here are a few passages directly from the link you provided.

working poor give away at least as large a percentage of their incomes as the rich, and a lot more than the middle class. The charity gap is driven not by economics but by values.

It also says in your link people of faaith give away 50% more then people of no faith. It says nothing in your link about conservatives giving more.

You also failed to mention that when conservatives donate they donate to musems and other places of entertainment. They also donate a large percentage to ivy leauge schools where they expect their children to go. I think in fact over 70% of all donations by conservatives are to the higher end colleges and universites they attended or want their children to attend.
Their donations to the needy are a very small percentage of what high income earners do donate.

It is true conservatives only care about children before they are born.
They make a big stink about forcing teenage moms to have babies and meanwhile when the teenage moms do have babies and when the poor people on welfaredo have babies the conservatives sit back and complain how the 3 and 4 year old kids of teenage mothers and welfare parents will grow up to be scum like their parents generation after generion.

I hope JT takes you up on that. I think a face lift for the homepage would be great!!!

Larry

Here is just one. The General Social Survey shows that people who oppose government income redistribution donate four times as much money each year as do redistribution supporters.

http://www.icnl.org/knowledge/ijnl/vol9iss1/special_2.htm

It appears you are nowhere near as informed as you believe you are and that makes you a typical Obama voter.

According to an account in Newsweek, Biden gave up one of the country’s secrets at another dinner where journalists and politicians make fun of Republicans (and occasionally laugh at each other).

Biden told his dinnermates about the existence of a secret bunker under the Vice President’s Residence at the U.S. Naval Observatory. leanor Clift writes:

Ever wonder about that secure, undisclosed location where Dick Cheney secreted himself after the 9/11 attacks? Joe Biden reveals the bunker-like room is at the Naval Observatory in Washington, where Cheney lived for eight years and which is now home to Biden. The veep related the story to his head-table dinner mates when he filled in for President Obama at the Gridiron Club earlier this year. He said the young naval officer giving him a tour of the residence showed him the hideaway, which is behind a massive steel door secured by an elaborate lock with a narrow connecting hallway lined with shelves filled with communications equipment. The officer explained that when Cheney was in lock down, this was where his most trusted aides were stationed, an image that Biden conveyed in a way that suggested we shouldn’t be surprised that the policies that emerged were off the wall.

This facility and it’s existence was highly classified.

So what was Joe Biden doing talking about it at the Gridiron Dinner and will this disclosure be referred to the Justice Department?

DO you have statistics to back up the claim about money donated to private charities? If so please provide them.

I think Hillary hit the wrong “restart” button again…

Americans are starting to notice Russia was better to their citizens when Bush was breathing down Russian’s back than now when Obama is shaking hands with thug dictators and Hillary is giggling about how wonderful everybody is.

What an OLD canard. Conservatives are the ones raising the kids, (proven as) the largest donaters money to charity, the ones willing to secure the nation, the ones supporting one man one woman marriage and normal households, and allowing all to be as great as they personally can without having to support the 50% that want to live off other’s labor.

Go pound it.

I’ve often wondered about that as well. Isn’t prayer an intervention? Prayer’s intention is to make the person well. So why not an intervention through the knowledge that god put into the heads of men? Why allow only one form of intervention to god? I’m not religious either, but this behavior doesn’t make sense on it’s own terms. Like others here, I can’t imagine letting a child die.

“FUNNY WE CAN’T FIND JUDGES WILLING TO SAVE BABIES IN THE WOMB”

Band aid,
What’s funny to me is how the anti-abortion movement doesn’t care for babies after they are born and consistently votes for a party that also doesn’t care for babies or people after birth. It’s also funny that this part controlled all three branches of the Federal Government for six years and didn’t do a damn thing about abortion. It’s hilarious because suckers like you give them your slavish support based on one or two issues, when all they’re really interested in is robbing you blind and taking care of their real base, as G.W. Bush put it: “The haves and have-mores.”

“Religious belief cannot be a rationale for negligence.”

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Worse yet it’s becoming a rationale for stupidity among many fundamentalist sects. Note the blood-thirsty outrage among fundy Muslims over a few cartoons or a book that wonders why Mohammad was attracted to a 7 year old girl. In that same vein, how about the apoplectic fundy Catholics outraged that the President of the US will receive an honorary degree and speak at commencement at Notre Dame.

See a pattern?
Fundamentalism = Superstition = Irrational Hated = Oblivion.

The West figured this out about the 18th Century during the Enlightenment (the East got it a lot sooner). Apparently large groups of the religious didn’t get the parchment at all.

On a side note, I am incredibly puzzled at how some fundamentalist sects of religious groups work. Personally, I am not religious, but it seems to me that if God made man, and man made medicine, did not God create medicine?

What I meant was that if that 13 year old kid came up with those particular words, he is a prodigy and needs saving for all our sakes. I think this is a classic balancing of the interests case as the trial judge determined, and though the equities seem fairly even, the fact that a child is involved tilts the scale in favor of court mandated treatment. Were this an adult, I don’t think we’d be having this discussion. Kids get special protection from crazy parents; adults are stuck with them.

Please tell me what a blue dog Democrat is and why Democrats HAVE BEEN REDUCED to running blue dog candidates in elections if they want to win. Could you also tell me where blue dog alliances are; are they with the nancy pelosi loons that represent you and the half dozen SCREWBALLS HERE or are they with Congressman Tanner:

Tanner is a founding member of the fiscally conservative Democratic Blue Dog Coalition with the goal of representing the right of center and appealing to the mainstream values of the American public. The Blue Dogs are dedicated to a core set of beliefs that transcend partisan politics, including a deep commitment to the financial stability and national security of the United States. Currently there are 51 members of the Blue Dog Coalition. For more information, visit the Blue Dog Web site at http://www.house.gov/ross/BlueDogs/.

There are currently 51 Members of the Blue Dog Coalition:

Rep. Stephanie Herseth Sandlin (SD), Co-chair for Administration
Rep. Baron Hill (IN), Co-chair for Policy
Rep. Charlie Melancon (LA), Co-chair for Communications
Rep. Heath Shuler (NC), Whip

Rep. Jason Altmire (PA)
Rep. Mike Arcuri (NY)
Rep. Joe Baca (CA)
Rep. John Barrow (GA)
Rep. Marion Berry (AR)
Rep. Sanford Bishop (GA)
Rep. Dan Boren (OK)
Rep. Leonard Boswell (IA)
Rep. Allen Boyd (FL)
Rep. Bobby Bright (AL)
Rep. Dennis Cardoza (CA)
Rep. Chris Carney (PA)
Rep. Ben Chandler (KY)
Rep. Travis Childers (MS)
Rep. Jim Cooper (TN)
Rep. Jim Costa (CA)
Rep. Henry Cuellar (TX)
Rep. Lincoln Davis (TN)
Rep. Joe Donnelly (IN)
Rep. Brad Ellsworth (IN)
Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (AZ)
Rep. Bart Gordon (TN)
Rep. Parker Griffith (AL)
Rep. Jane Harman (CA)
Rep. Tim Holden (PA)
Rep. Frank Kratovil, Jr. (MD)
Rep. Mike McIntyre (NC)
Rep. Jim Marshall (GA)
Rep. Jim Matheson (UT)
Rep. Mike Michaud (ME)
Rep. Walt Minnick (ID)
Rep. Harry Mitchell (AZ)
Rep. Dennis Moore (KS)
Rep. Patrick Murphy (PA)
Rep. Glenn Nye (VA)
Rep. Collin Peterson (MN)
Rep. Earl Pomeroy (ND)
Rep. Mike Ross (AR)
Rep. John Salazar (CO)
Rep. Loretta Sanchez (CA)
Rep. Adam Schiff (CA)
Rep. David Scott (GA)
Rep. Zack Space (OH)
Rep. John Tanner (TN)
Rep. Gene Taylor (MS)
Rep. Mike Thompson (CA)
Rep. Charles Wilson (OH)

““It marginalizes the decisions that parents face every day in regard to their children’s medical care. It really affirms the role that big government is better at making our decisions for us,” now there’s a boy who has to be saved.”

you aren’t really serious are you? Obviously you want the child to live, I am talking about government being better able to take decisions for us?

I really hope you are not advocating government control, it would be extremely depressing in light of all your posts about individual rights.

I too do not understand why Mr. Olbermann uses that acronym for one of his programs and it is crass. Therefore, I would never watch *that* segment; however, those are Olbermann’s free speech rights and Professor Turley is not generally responsible for what other people say a do in public places or private businesses, except, for example, the general rules he sets for his own public blawg here.

“I would say the Gallup polls coming out now showing Republicans ahead of Democrats in almost every issue and ahead in generic head to head races means your 21% is MEANINGLESS.”

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You guys are 0-7 in House races in jurisdictions you should win by 10 or more points. Should I believe you or my lying eyes?

I found this site and it is fantastic. Please take a look at this introduction if you are unaware of it. The site is called WolframAlfa and it is a search engine but something more. It appears to mimic the human brain in data retrieval and the ability to perform complex and abstract organizations of knowledge. It is also a computational engine and for those that like stocks it may be invaluable in determining historical data and extrapolating future trends/outcomes. Here is the web address for a 13 min. introduction by the inventor/developer. It is well worth the 13 minuets.

http://www.wolframalpha.com/screencast/introducingwolframalpha.html