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	<title>Comments on: Report:  More than 60,000 Inmates are Raped Each Year</title>
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		<title>By: Buddha Is Laughing</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2009/06/24/report-more-than-60000-inmates-are-raped-each-year/#comment-88177</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Buddha Is Laughing]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 14:24:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mike S,

Hear, hear!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike S,</p>
<p>Hear, hear!</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Spindell</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2009/06/24/report-more-than-60000-inmates-are-raped-each-year/#comment-88172</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Spindell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 14:14:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;According to the United States Department of Labor, a correction officer is responsible to “maintain order within the institution and enforce rules and regulations” and to “maintain security and inmate accountability to prevent disturbances, ASSAULTS, and escapes”

mark stuiger,
  Much of what you say in your mis-aimed remarks at Ms. Burrows are innately true. However, I believe you are mixing the ideal of what prisons are to be, with the reality of what they are. I am not now, nor have I ever worked for the prison system and I come to damn it, not extol it. The problem, however, is not the fault of individual guards, no matter how much they may be derelict in their duty.

The problem is a country that per capita imprisons more people than any major industrialized nation in the world. The problem is scummy politicians who see acting &quot;tough on crime&quot; as a mandate for higher office. The problem is a &quot;War on Drugs&quot; that has been less effective than the County&#039;s Prohibition experiment, which itself was a dismal failure. The problem is a majority of the public, so frightened by demagogues and so entranced by a constant diet of police shows, that they are willing to desire the most draconian treatment of offenders. The problem is..........oh so many social ills that plague our country. The problem in the end is in all of us who participate in the sham we call the &quot;American Dream&quot; which breeeds and underclass without hope, lost in despair.

Yes there are sociopathic individuals who are born criminals and yes we do have to contain them to protect society. Yet had we a society that was just and took care of its&#039; citizens, we would see plummeting crime rates and prisons that were administered humanely. The prison employees are just as much victims of the system as are the inmates. We get what we pay for and the secret truth is that many people feel the harsher prison is, the better it is. This is the revenge theory of jurisprudence. That they breed lifelong criminals, who might be redeemed is ignored in the pleasure of the sadistic cruelty of the system and the unspoken pleasure many get from that sadism.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;According to the United States Department of Labor, a correction officer is responsible to “maintain order within the institution and enforce rules and regulations” and to “maintain security and inmate accountability to prevent disturbances, ASSAULTS, and escapes”</p>
<p>mark stuiger,<br />
  Much of what you say in your mis-aimed remarks at Ms. Burrows are innately true. However, I believe you are mixing the ideal of what prisons are to be, with the reality of what they are. I am not now, nor have I ever worked for the prison system and I come to damn it, not extol it. The problem, however, is not the fault of individual guards, no matter how much they may be derelict in their duty.</p>
<p>The problem is a country that per capita imprisons more people than any major industrialized nation in the world. The problem is scummy politicians who see acting &#8220;tough on crime&#8221; as a mandate for higher office. The problem is a &#8220;War on Drugs&#8221; that has been less effective than the County&#8217;s Prohibition experiment, which itself was a dismal failure. The problem is a majority of the public, so frightened by demagogues and so entranced by a constant diet of police shows, that they are willing to desire the most draconian treatment of offenders. The problem is&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.oh so many social ills that plague our country. The problem in the end is in all of us who participate in the sham we call the &#8220;American Dream&#8221; which breeeds and underclass without hope, lost in despair.</p>
<p>Yes there are sociopathic individuals who are born criminals and yes we do have to contain them to protect society. Yet had we a society that was just and took care of its&#8217; citizens, we would see plummeting crime rates and prisons that were administered humanely. The prison employees are just as much victims of the system as are the inmates. We get what we pay for and the secret truth is that many people feel the harsher prison is, the better it is. This is the revenge theory of jurisprudence. That they breed lifelong criminals, who might be redeemed is ignored in the pleasure of the sadistic cruelty of the system and the unspoken pleasure many get from that sadism.</p>
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		<title>By: Carrie Burrows</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2009/06/24/report-more-than-60000-inmates-are-raped-each-year/#comment-88132</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Carrie Burrows]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 04:07:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear Mr. Stuiger: I understand what you&#039;re trying to say, but I think you misunderstood me. I did resign because I did not want to work for the corrupt prison system in this state.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Mr. Stuiger: I understand what you&#8217;re trying to say, but I think you misunderstood me. I did resign because I did not want to work for the corrupt prison system in this state.</p>
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		<title>By: chris</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[chris]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 22:28:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t know if you know what the inmate to Corrections officer ratio is, but there is no way to stop this from happening.  Its like stopping two inmates from fighting.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know if you know what the inmate to Corrections officer ratio is, but there is no way to stop this from happening.  Its like stopping two inmates from fighting.</p>
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		<title>By: mark stuiger</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2009/06/24/report-more-than-60000-inmates-are-raped-each-year/#comment-88102</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mark stuiger]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 21:44:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In response to Carrie Burrows statement &quot;I don&#039;t know what the public expects prison personnel to do about this&quot; (rape).  This is what the public expects you to do, to be a Correction Officer is more than just showing up to collect a paycheck.  According to the United States  Department of Labor, a correction officer is responsible to &quot;maintain order within the institution and enforce rules and regulations&quot; and to &quot;maintain security and inmate accountability to prevent disturbances, ASSAULTS, and escapes&quot;.  As you already know California State correction officers are the highest paid in the nation as are CA City  County (sacbee.com).  If for whatever reason; warden &amp; prison administration apathy; overcrowding, etc. prevented you from carrying out you DUTY to prevent ASSUALTS you should of resigned immediately and perhaps become a receptionist whose duties are passive and confined to answering the phone.  The problem of prison rape will never be dealt with effectively as long as the we entrust people with your what can I do attitude to enforce the laws we the public have entrusted in you.  By your own admission you have failed to carry out the duties assigned to you and really should give the tax payers back every dollar we have paid you for a job you did not perform.  Now whose the thief?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In response to Carrie Burrows statement &#8220;I don&#8217;t know what the public expects prison personnel to do about this&#8221; (rape).  This is what the public expects you to do, to be a Correction Officer is more than just showing up to collect a paycheck.  According to the United States  Department of Labor, a correction officer is responsible to &#8220;maintain order within the institution and enforce rules and regulations&#8221; and to &#8220;maintain security and inmate accountability to prevent disturbances, ASSAULTS, and escapes&#8221;.  As you already know California State correction officers are the highest paid in the nation as are CA City  County (sacbee.com).  If for whatever reason; warden &amp; prison administration apathy; overcrowding, etc. prevented you from carrying out you DUTY to prevent ASSUALTS you should of resigned immediately and perhaps become a receptionist whose duties are passive and confined to answering the phone.  The problem of prison rape will never be dealt with effectively as long as the we entrust people with your what can I do attitude to enforce the laws we the public have entrusted in you.  By your own admission you have failed to carry out the duties assigned to you and really should give the tax payers back every dollar we have paid you for a job you did not perform.  Now whose the thief?</p>
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		<title>By: Gary T</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gary T]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 12:16:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Carrie:

Referencing the federal prisons and the NYS prisons mostly, but it is cross board.
I can see where &#039;Administration&#039; might, in rare cases, believe an inmate over a guard. But am talking about the quasi-judicial administrative hearings before a disiplinary hearing officer to determine whether a prisoner committed a facility violation.
Always, always, a guard&#039;s testimony is regarded as more credible than a prisoner&#039;s.
As to the recording devices, there is no rule preventing individual facilities from permitting their guards from carrying recording devices. Your prison, like most, chose not to. But there are state-wide regulations (if not laws straightup) preventing that discretion to permit prisoners doing the same.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carrie:</p>
<p>Referencing the federal prisons and the NYS prisons mostly, but it is cross board.<br />
I can see where &#8216;Administration&#8217; might, in rare cases, believe an inmate over a guard. But am talking about the quasi-judicial administrative hearings before a disiplinary hearing officer to determine whether a prisoner committed a facility violation.<br />
Always, always, a guard&#8217;s testimony is regarded as more credible than a prisoner&#8217;s.<br />
As to the recording devices, there is no rule preventing individual facilities from permitting their guards from carrying recording devices. Your prison, like most, chose not to. But there are state-wide regulations (if not laws straightup) preventing that discretion to permit prisoners doing the same.</p>
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		<title>By: Carrie Burrows</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2009/06/24/report-more-than-60000-inmates-are-raped-each-year/#comment-64359</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Carrie Burrows]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 08:55:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Gary T., 

I don&#039;t know what state you&#039;re from or anything about you. But I will tell you that when I was a guard in California we were not allowed to have recording devices and sometimes administration believed inmates over officers.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gary T., </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know what state you&#8217;re from or anything about you. But I will tell you that when I was a guard in California we were not allowed to have recording devices and sometimes administration believed inmates over officers.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary T</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2009/06/24/report-more-than-60000-inmates-are-raped-each-year/#comment-64357</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gary T]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 08:30:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Of course they would. They do now, it is a choice that the prison administration chooses.
The standard of evidence in administrative infraction hearings is laughable, at least a prisoner could provide unrebuttable proof of what s/he claims.
Currently a guard&#039;s word is always given absolute credibility, if a prisoner doesn&#039;t testify then he silence can be used against him, a prisoner goes to internal detention if he was attacked and was found to be the victim. Its a total freeforall.
The official sentiment is, the prisoner is incarcerated and whether he is incarcerated in general population or in solitary confinement makes little difference to their sense of equity.
The courts have held up this standard, and not found a liberty interest of where in the prison one is held, or what prison rules a prisoner is subject to.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course they would. They do now, it is a choice that the prison administration chooses.<br />
The standard of evidence in administrative infraction hearings is laughable, at least a prisoner could provide unrebuttable proof of what s/he claims.<br />
Currently a guard&#8217;s word is always given absolute credibility, if a prisoner doesn&#8217;t testify then he silence can be used against him, a prisoner goes to internal detention if he was attacked and was found to be the victim. Its a total freeforall.<br />
The official sentiment is, the prisoner is incarcerated and whether he is incarcerated in general population or in solitary confinement makes little difference to their sense of equity.<br />
The courts have held up this standard, and not found a liberty interest of where in the prison one is held, or what prison rules a prisoner is subject to.</p>
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		<title>By: Carrie Burrows</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2009/06/24/report-more-than-60000-inmates-are-raped-each-year/#comment-64024</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Carrie Burrows]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 10:55:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Gary T.,

So long as the guards had the same rights to those devices and their evidence was admissible, I would not object.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gary T.,</p>
<p>So long as the guards had the same rights to those devices and their evidence was admissible, I would not object.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary T</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2009/06/24/report-more-than-60000-inmates-are-raped-each-year/#comment-64023</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gary T]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 10:44:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Some points here:

Assaults and rapes normally considered high felonies in normal society, are treated as administrative infractions, like horseplay amongst rowdy teenagers. 

Stopping these activities would child&#039;s play for any prison adminstration, putting such assailants away in supermax prisons would both take them out of commission and teach a deterrent to other aspiring inmates.

Prison rules are internally hypocritical, and inconsistent. There are absolute rules against fighting in prison, and that includes protecting oneself against assault or rape. The rules actually say protecting oneself against assault is an adminstrative violation.

Tape recording devices, or video devices are denied to prisoners for no good articulable reason, and yet as a prisoner &quot;who said what&quot; and when becomes a very crucial and even life saving necessity almost daily.
If prisoners were empowered to have such devices they could protect themselves both from assailing prisoners and capricious guards.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some points here:</p>
<p>Assaults and rapes normally considered high felonies in normal society, are treated as administrative infractions, like horseplay amongst rowdy teenagers. </p>
<p>Stopping these activities would child&#8217;s play for any prison adminstration, putting such assailants away in supermax prisons would both take them out of commission and teach a deterrent to other aspiring inmates.</p>
<p>Prison rules are internally hypocritical, and inconsistent. There are absolute rules against fighting in prison, and that includes protecting oneself against assault or rape. The rules actually say protecting oneself against assault is an adminstrative violation.</p>
<p>Tape recording devices, or video devices are denied to prisoners for no good articulable reason, and yet as a prisoner &#8220;who said what&#8221; and when becomes a very crucial and even life saving necessity almost daily.<br />
If prisoners were empowered to have such devices they could protect themselves both from assailing prisoners and capricious guards.</p>
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		<title>By: Carrie Burrows</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2009/06/24/report-more-than-60000-inmates-are-raped-each-year/#comment-64022</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Carrie Burrows]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 09:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t understand what the public expects prison personnel to do about this.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t understand what the public expects prison personnel to do about this.</p>
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		<title>By: lottakatz</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2009/06/24/report-more-than-60000-inmates-are-raped-each-year/#comment-63758</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[lottakatz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 23:04:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wouldn&#039;t the expectation of rape in prison constitute cruel and unusual punishment? Has that ever been explored in a court case? How does this go on without liability of some serious kind not falling on the State?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wouldn&#8217;t the expectation of rape in prison constitute cruel and unusual punishment? Has that ever been explored in a court case? How does this go on without liability of some serious kind not falling on the State?</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Spindell</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2009/06/24/report-more-than-60000-inmates-are-raped-each-year/#comment-63707</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Spindell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 20:24:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The saddest thing about this story to me is the 20% to 30% of our citizenry who would read it and say: So what. If you can&#039;t do the time then don&#039;t do the crime. Thirty years of streaming 
no nothing Republican propaganda has coarsened us as a nation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The saddest thing about this story to me is the 20% to 30% of our citizenry who would read it and say: So what. If you can&#8217;t do the time then don&#8217;t do the crime. Thirty years of streaming<br />
no nothing Republican propaganda has coarsened us as a nation.</p>
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		<title>By: Buddha Is Laughing</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Buddha Is Laughing]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 16:21:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yep, low number.  

The Score:

Statistical Accuracy - 0
Avoided Paperwork - 1]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep, low number.  </p>
<p>The Score:</p>
<p>Statistical Accuracy &#8211; 0<br />
Avoided Paperwork &#8211; 1</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymously Yours</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2009/06/24/report-more-than-60000-inmates-are-raped-each-year/#comment-63584</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymously Yours]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 11:39:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with rafflaw. The number is low. The guards only let them complain if they complain loud enough. I guess this gives a new meaning to the Gangster of Love or not.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with rafflaw. The number is low. The guards only let them complain if they complain loud enough. I guess this gives a new meaning to the Gangster of Love or not.</p>
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		<title>By: rafflaw</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rafflaw]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 11:14:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[With the amount of prisoners we have in our prisons, 60,000 sounds like a low number.  The authorities have been turning their heads the other way for years on our prisons.  Is being raped in prison part of the sentence handed out for their crime?  A prisoner should be as safe in prison as he/she was on the street.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With the amount of prisoners we have in our prisons, 60,000 sounds like a low number.  The authorities have been turning their heads the other way for years on our prisons.  Is being raped in prison part of the sentence handed out for their crime?  A prisoner should be as safe in prison as he/she was on the street.</p>
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