Then I shall take the compliment in the spirit in which it was offered. Thank you but I was only doing what seemed right in a situation that ideally would not be. Buddha (the real one) teaches us that right thought and good intention informs right speech and conduct on the path to enlightenment. Despite the aspersions of some, as a philosophical Buddhist, I do keep his teachings in mind. That’s all I was doing.

Do you have any funny fireworks story’s to go with the Jarts?

“Yes Bob, I do remember playing with “JARTS”.

A couple of beers, and the resultant wet fingers, turned this into an ancient game of spear catching.”

When you recalled lawn darts, did you have one of those “WHAT WERE WE THINKING?” moments?

I sure as hell did.

Surely you’re not blaming me for the devolution of the thread.

I was simply pained by AY’s apparent ignorance of the phrase.

F for observation/interpratation. I had no alterior motives.

You dont like what I have to say I dont like what you have to say. I was commenting on a purely human level to your response to Patty C. On a human level I was surprised that she would respond as she did and that you would make such an effort.

You get an A for humanity however.

But we do have some good trolls here, I think maybe, not sure.

“ah, I love it when progressives fall to pieces. internecine warfare is good, keeps the opposition off balance and thinking about other things.”

One should not mistake a single villager setting themselves ablaze as warfare. Just as one should not mistake tangential for divided. Patty and I still share many common political goals I suspect. That we won’t be talking about them to each other anymore is of no consequence. We’ll both still continue to talk to others about those issues. Your incorporation of a tangential personal issue as somehow being “internecine warfare” into your clearly political narrative, especially after the opening sentence, betrays you again. Sure, you may just have not understood the nature of what you’d just witnessed, but your wording suggests otherwise. You’re also mistaken as to what constitutes not only a distraction (oh yes, many of us can multitask) but mistaken about what makes effective distraction towards a political end (here’s a hint: this ain’t it). You made a faux pas and sought traction where there was no foothold. Machiavelli would give you an F on that assignment. Sorry.

But I must say (and I know no one cares about my opinion, but I cannot help myself) that Buddha is Laughing went way out of his way to make peace and did it very well and with much humility and empathy. I was rather taken aback when Patty C snubbed his hand of friendship/olive branch. Had a friend supplicated himself thus I would have been deeply touched and immediately mended fences, recognizing the value he placed in my friendship and more importantly the value he placed in me as an individual.

Patty C must not have, based on her response, an ounce of human compassion or regard for other people.

You also weren’t here last year, LK…

‘You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time’.

Abraham Lincoln, (attributed)
16th president of US (1809 – 1865)

It’s amazing how much more I enjoy this blog once I realized what exchanges I should just not read.

“Is it Tuesday already? But then again it feels like Friday and I know its not.”

You apparently don’t know what “see you next Tuesday” means in lady-speak.

Try saying it slowly and see if you can find the acronym.

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Really, you can’t leave a thread for a day around here and be sure of what you will return to.

Thanks for the heads-up. I was confused by the references to the wrong day. I’ve spent my life with women and men more plain spoken, if that’s what they thought about you that’s what they said, and I needed the instructions you provided to discern the hidden message. Silly me.

Kind of a sad thread devolution.

When you’re hanging on to the back of one of those trucks speedily rounding a corner on route to a fire, you hope the person at the wheel knows not only where they are going but how to drive the rig. Same thing in surgery.

We used to enjjoy that same level of confidence and comradery with regard to the serious constitutional issues being discussed at that time until Jill came along and opened it up to anything and everything ‘out there’ (her exxact words).

My frustrations started there and continue on to this day.

I don’t care whether you ‘get’ what I am saying or not. I said ‘it’ and I would say it all over again. You weren’t here in the beginning when it was really great, I was. So was mespo.

You may relish being used or having people trash your treasured art or belongings.

I do not.

Inconsequential is an apt descriptive for you and anyone else who has a problem with my lineage and bona fides. Doesn’t affect me one way or the other. I enjoy a full and satisfying life.

Bye-bye!

No Patty, you can’t hurt my feelings. I quit caring what you thought some time ago and in order to have effect, your barbs must have relevance. Now I just feel sorry for you. Any insult you have for me at this point has all the relevance of getting the finger from a shouting wino.

But continue to try to piss me off if you like. It only makes you look smaller, more pathetic and blindly mean spirited. Wino wasn’t a bad choice of words either, because right now you’re acting quite frankly just like an angry drunk. Bouncers get to see a lot of them too. I’m done trying to get through to you through that thick haze of bitchiness you taken to swathing yourself in as of late – just in case you didn’t get that part of the message since you’re an admitted selective reader.

This is the last time I’ll address you until and unless you get your act together. It has nothing to do with anything you’ve done to me either, just to be clear, and everything to do with what you’ve done to yourself. Engaging you no longer benefits anyone. You feel free to continue spiraling downward and wallowing in your irrational hatreds, but I said good bye and that’s exactly what I meant. I miss the old Patty. The “New” Patty, on the other hand, is a hateful pantsload of nastiness with nothing constructive to add any longer and I’m done with her. Engaging trolls is a more profitable undertaking.

Bye.

Aw, whatsamatter – did I hurt your feelings?

Truth hurts sometimes, doesn’t it? You may not like my style, but I will tell you what I see.

When you put your coins in my machine and push the button you get what asked for – every time.

Bye Patty.

A couple of beers, and the resultant wet fingers, turned this into an ancient game of spear catching.

It would be better than a lawn dart.

I grew up in the age of lawn darts.

Ah memories.

Your problem is that in order for you to be right, you have to make everyone else wrong. I told you a while ago you are not that observant and you don’t listen well, either. If you responded to your ex the way you do to me, no wonder she tried to drink herself to death. Obviously, from what you’ve said she was already in a great deal of pain when you met her which also begs the question why you MARRIED her in the first place. Her issues are not my issues. They might still be yours, though.

Jill’s vendettas, and not just against me, have been ongoing, here, for an entire year, now.

My brother is a radio big-wig owner/operator. He has a duplicate studio in his home where he still does much of the programming and live artist interviews himself. Just as Jill demonstrated on the blawg here when she arrived, she thought she could muscle her way into the business by sucking up to me – which I likewise resented.

You weren’t here then, but a lot of her early behavior was totally inappropriate and much of it still is, in my view.

When I made it clear that assistance from me not be forthcoming, she had no further ‘use’ for me. NO problem there…!

From my perspective, not only does she lack polish AND experience, I am not interested in what she has to say
(ie copies), politically, or otherwise.

What I also resent is her tendency, likewise along the same lines, to simply not respond to challenges when she makes ridiculous misstatements of facts in areas she knows little and I am expertly qualified, like medicine and law, because it would require her to admit she is wrong.

I am still dying to know what special kind of cancer is caused by smoking ‘lite’ cigarettes…
…for instance!

What if the weapon of choice had been a Nerf Dart? -An item not intended to do any harm. (a child’s play toy, designed to be fired at another) Is the garden hose worse than a Nerf Dart?

What may have started as a innocent retaliatory prank may lead to extreme consequences.

“Have adjective, will travel.”

“Is it Tuesday already? But then again it feels like Friday and I know its not.”

You apparently don’t know what “see you next Tuesday” means in lady-speak.

Try saying it slowly and see if you can find the acronym.

Thanks for your last post directed at me regarding the original topic. I completely understand your position; however, I simply cannot agree with you when it comes to the law because regardless we all are supposed to have our day in court if our claims meet the ‘requirements’.

I was trained and worked within the initial phases of LE; therefore, I am unqualified—legalistically—as a nonlawyer to fully defend the FL statues other than expressing my personal opinion founded on reasonableness and my LEO experiences.

I do not think—since we have not read the sworn affidavit—that we know of the full extent of the wife’s injuries. Did she have a bloody swollen lip, etc.? I know that an elbow to the mouth can knock a person down or even render them unconscious.

Intent was established once the husband began direct physical contact/struggle with his wife, regardless of who started what.

Would any attorneys here—based on the available evidence—defend the husband’s actions in court and expect to gain a favorable judgment?

That’s kind of an answer too I suppose.

When you use your pedigree(s) like a cudgel, which I’ve seen you do more than once Patty whether or not you’ve ever used your position IRL to your advantage, you shouldn’t be shocked when it’s turned against you. You’ve even played it as if your peerage somehow gave you a superior opinion before, so let’s get this straight. Your response about being snotty to me was instead about what a snob about your peerage Jill is about you being a snob about your peerage. And how bad that annoys you. And how bad AY annoys you. With just about that much supporting substance.

Hm.

If you don’t see the problem in that, then you’ve lost all critical perspective and instead of further contributing to your self-destruction, I’ll choose to bid you good day until I see concrete evidence the old Patty has returned with something of value to say. It should be readily apparent by how I handled my ex that I’ll go to great lengths to try to aid someone I care about but that willingness ends where purposeful self-destruction starts.

Good day.

We all, I think have a common cause, and that is the betterment of this site. we should all strive for this to be the best. I have acted less than mature and I apologize for my action. And NO I have not posted under your name. I was trying to short circuit the crap that gets rolled and move on. But that too got blown out of proportion.

I have tried to figue out how to add that gravator. It don’t like me. So until somebody sets it up for me. I am anonymously yours.

Which goes into who I am in name. If I said I was the relative or grandson of a major oil company founder, how would that impact who I am? It has no bearing, well yeah it does. You don’t know who your friends really are. So with that said. Let us get along.

So Rodney King got 32 Million? I was wrong I thought it was only 10. Oh well, probably up his nose or in his vein.

This is side topic and off topic as well. We are making a lot of problems for no real reason. I can be selfish in a lot of ways and I am trying to be better. This last weekend I met a young person, who is just starting High School. They are addressing a coke problem and the parents are pissed at her. It is ok for them to smoke weed and drink with her parents but its not ok for her to use the substance of her choice.

I think something is wrong with that picture.

Now really what are our problems again?

Yes, I cut 6th grade English and have never been sorry about it. Sentence structure? What is accepted in one setting is not necessarily acceptable in another. This is crazy talk because, everyone of us here has erred with typos and other choices that would certainly have gotten us bad marks in school. But this is the real world accept that in life there are somethings you cannot control.

Just don’t make them personal. That is when you cross the line and I address them. Someone has offended everyone on this list at sometime. However, I have yet to see the verbiage spewed like you, or is that ewe?

I responded to that crappola, once again, just as I did with Bartlebee, who Jill welcomed with open arms and who ended up getting himself kicked out because of his hateful behavior toward me, all the while being egged on by Jill, mind you.

I spotted him as a loser the first day he showed. Because of Jill, he succeeded in taking up space and aggravating turlees for months. The soap opera continues as long as she remains! My question is, why is SHE still here?

It’s not rational and I will never make the argument that is, but whenever I see her f’n name, it’s like nails on a chalkboard for moi. Like this:

I can’t stand her ass, generally, and much less in light of what she did online to my (our) friend and fellow turlee, DW
- before he passed away last summer from a recurrence of his cancer…

I was being polite. I know you are capable of doing the same without being backhanded. You used to be anyway. While I am capable of speaking for myself, AY’s summation was not totally incorrect. I’ve agreed to stay out of your ignorance so agree with me or not, please leave it out of our interactions. Feel free to substitute “irrational vendettas” for ignorance if you like as it is more accurate and less incendiary since I do not think you are a technical ignoramus, but rather an intelligent and educated woman who has perpetually declined into unreasoned, and I choose this word carefully based on the recently deleted post, RAVING.

Seriously.

You quote me, say “Zactly!” and then it was off to the races, wasn’t it? If you were a troll, I’d be whipping out that Mel Brooks classic line about frontier gibberish for that little display. That was pure vitriol with no value but venting your whatever it is you’re venting. It had NOTHING to do with the discussion you just agreed with me upon. Nothing. As in zero. I’m also pretty sure Jill doesn’t have editorial sway with the Professor too. That’s paranoid. Anyone who read the post knows EXACTLY why the Prof. would pull it. It was the kind of purely personal attack that he’s deleted before and warned you about. And seriously, if you’d said what you said about Jill to a flesh and blood woman in a bar? I used to bounce – I know a fight brewing when I see it and that goes for cat fights too. It was pure trash talk. Your next step would have been to attack her personal hygiene and pull her hair. Your perpetual pissing match with Jill and AY is between you and them. They can fend for themselves. You said you were free to do what you wanted when I and others tried to mediate and I agreed. That includes the choice to behave badly should you choose to make it. Just leave me out of it. As a courtesy. You know, like the one I’ve just extended to you twice now and got the spit of your condescension on me for my efforts even as you agree with me.

I respect our host and his rules even though I may push them at times. You clearly do not as you’ve just been edited out for pure ad hominem bile in what’s this? The second or third offense now? I loose count. Yet you fall back on your pedigree again to be dismissive of me – this time as an “original” – for a rationalization for ungraciousness in the light of proffered courtesy. Not content to vent on Jill and AY, you instead try to spread a little bile to me too. Well . . . perhaps less bile and more like childish snottiness, but it’s all derivative. For someone relying upon pedigree like that to be so blatantly and repeatedly disrespectful of the very lenient rules of our host? Well I’ll just let others draw their own conclusions about your credibility based upon your actions. I sure miss the Patty that had something valuable to say. Let me know when you let her out of the closet. Until then, show a little decorum. I don’t care if we agree on a topic or not, but seeking to spread your bile to me is also a bad tactical decision even if it’s just snarky dismissiveness, Patty. Out of respect for the Patty I like who has gone into hiding, I beg you to back off the bile. Escalation with me is never a winning option. I’m not where you want to go with whatever it is you’re going with in your vendetta against AY and Jill. I’ve been staying out (at your request), so don’t drag me back in again also means don’t seek to expand on to third front. Much like the instant case, it won’t end well. I promise. So you make sure you keep your promise. Next time, separate your personal war with them from our interaction.

And might also I suggest in the future – agree or disagree on a given topic – you save your condescension for an enemy, Patty. Your list of friends here grows shorter every time you post something like your last, and might I add practically insane, attack on Jill and AY. I’m a better friend than enemy, Patty, and I’m trying to be your friend even now, but if you heap on enough condescension, I’ll eventually stop trying – too much and I’ll attack at some point. Ask mespo for his opinion on that last statement since he’s the only one who seems to have any sway with you anymore. What I say is true. The amount of pure anger your deleted post displayed was unhealthy. Don’t steer it at me. I don’t know why you’re angry, I don’t know why this is how you’re expressing it, but I do know it’s bad for you no matter the cause. Anger eats your soul, no matter how well contained. Your soul is looking a bit chewed on lately. You don’t want to add to the misery of the world in general or yours specifically by testing who between the two of us can be meanest for the sake of being mean.

Now is the part where you’ll either agree that we should be nice to one another in addition to leaving me out of “The War” or you’ll tell me since I’m not an original I should go fornicate myself in some geometrically improbably configuration or something to that effect. Your choice. Just remember that every choice has a consequence. Carrot or stick? I got plenty o’ both. I’d rather you take a carrot. They’re good for you.

You are an ass AND a fool-congratulations!
p.s. I have call tonight, so I am up…

Just keep posting. There are many of us here who have, on several occasions posted to each other out of a shared experience.
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No AY and SM, you have been requested by two people not to because sharing a common experienc e related to the blog is not what you two were doing. You were having private conversations having nothing to do with anything posted here when you have other opotions not available to the rest of us because we don’t know each other.

Jill, shut the f’up!

You have no authority here, much less one to override my requests that posters adhere to ‘turlee’ self regulation.

Mind your own business. Your interference is neither required or appreciated.

In fact, that you can’t even articulate a complete thought much less construct a complete grammatical sentence makes me question if you ever graduated high school much less college or law school.

Take an English class, why dontcha?

In fact, that you can’t even articulate a complete thought much less construct a complete grammatical sentence makes me question if you ever graduated high school much less college or law school.

Take an English class!

Pardon Me, the overspray from the Wide Water must be wide indeed; however, this song was more like a fresh spray of roses on a summer morn…

Thanks for posting this classic by a new artist (to me, at least)

I think alls Buddha was trying to say is you are going to be ignorant just leave him out of your ignorance. Then you go insulting him again. You say you have all of this class, is it not time to show it?

But then again, it really not about Jill. Its about you. Is it not?

If you’re going to agree with me, I’d really appreciate it if you’d better segregate it from any anti-whomever ravings. In that last post you spent exactly one truncated word agreeing and more than I feel like counting to bash Jill and AY.
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Fine. Next time I will separate them. My agreeing with you was never an important part of my contributions to the turlee blawg. I was here long before you, as well…

I said what I needed to say to the cretans who have unfortunately assembled here – along with Jill.

Obviously, Jill went’wahhh-waahh’ing again to JT, per her usual wide ‘victim’ stance.

Remind you of anyone…?

I thought I had missed the 4th of July again and here we were at Tuesday already. I read it on my cellphone and agree that these type of things are counter productive. However in defense of the right to debate so long as it is clean and no real personal attacks are used against others I am fair gamed about it. Know what I mean Buddha? The big large alien looking person.

Nevermind. It’s gone now.

If you’re going to agree with me, I’d really appreciate it if you’d better segregate it from any anti-whomever ravings. In that last post you spent exactly one truncated word agreeing and more than I feel like counting to bash Jill and AY. I wouldn’t mind so much if the bashing furthered the contention. This didn’t. It served no purpose to further our mutual point. It had no impeachment value. It was borderline counterproductive. After several failed attempts as mediation between you and Jill, I’ve stated I’d stay out of your anti-Jill rants (for various reasons) and I have since then and to this point. Now I expect you to reciprocate and keep your rants out of my arguments. It’s only polite. Thanks.

Don’t be so quick. Vince provided the text, but it was Bob that latched on to the key word while I was flapping with Jill about judicial inefficiency. If intent is part of the local wording for describing battery, which it can be and in this case is, then mens rea is quite relevant. If it’s a required element of the crime, there it is.

Your bias that this is a woman in question is showing. Hey, you know I think you’re a stand up guy. I’m pretty sure I know where that chivalrous streak comes from and I appreciate and encourage it, but in this instance it’s not furthering justice, just “protecting the girl” on little more than her say so. You’ve lept from “she was sprayed” a proven stipulated by both parties albeit from differing perspectives, to the “elbow to the mouth” is somehow automatically battery. This is pre-judging despite stipulation on the husbands part in his statements at the time as to his lack of intent – an intent required under FLA law. There are many ways to frame this. Under the FLA law Vince provided, intent is a requisite element of both assault and battery. All kinds of doubt can be raised in court especially in light of the very insubstantial and inconsequential injury and the temporally stated lack of mens rea on the husband’s part. We won’t even mention what could be done with evidence of patterned abusive behavior of any sort on her part. Yeah, dragging that out in court as a defense tactic will probably not be conducive to reconciliation and some lawyer out there is just lazy and sleazy enough to do it instead of focusing on the intent ball and letting the law work to sort out any missing elements of crimes charged. Without a more substantial crime or better evidence, this is still wasteful and inefficient in addition to being not only not helpful, but exacerbating to the underlying situation. The courts may be the right tool for this job someday, but this wasn’t it.

This current situation helps no one and only ends badly, but it’s nice to see so many people ready to throw the hubby under the bus based on her word alone over an injury of dubious harm. If she had taken a beating and he claimed no intent, it’d be one thing, but honestly, I think both you and Jill are just looking to blame the man automatically. It’s reflex. It’s just bad reflex when it comes to this being a crime worthy of the courts time. DA’s can make deals to forebear prosecution if the potential defendant agrees to take remedial action without court intervention. It happens all the time. This is an instance where making both parties attend counseling or charges be filed is much more conducive to a positive resolution than a trial over dubious charges over an injury that is at best minimal in the array of all possible injury. Even if the trial ends in acquittal or dismissal with prejudice, it creates unhealthy strain on what is already apparently a relationship under some stress. There is no upside to criminal prosecution at this point. The threat of it? Sure. It may keep him from turning Mr. Water Hose in to Mr. Fist, but I go with the analogy of criminal law as the hound of the state. The value of owning a hound, showing you own a hound and releasing said hound are intrinsically different and each comes with unique costs. I’m telling you all of this not just as someone who has seen these kinds of process from the inside as an attorney, but as someone who was personally in an abusive relationship that DID end with criminal court intervention that I instigated, my ex on probation for spousal abuse and an annulment.

No interpersonal relationship is as complicated as marriage – be it of any sexual composition. The courts need to stay out of them as a putative actor unless there is clearly no other option for intervention. When they don’t, they never improve a situation – all of their remedy are at least partially destructive to the institution of marriage. As a species we have more than one tool at our disposal and indeed many tools, like law, that can serve multiple functions. Personally, I think using a tool intelligently and creatively is just as important as using it at all. It’s the difference between using a hammer to build a house or using it to build a bunch of randomly aligned and attached 2×4’s. It is well proven in these threads that few tools are intrinsically evil, but many are misapplied. Even when I was talking efficiency, the core of my contention was misapplication of the tool in question.

Can’t get the song out of my head now.

… but it lasts a long while

Won’t you please tell the man

I didn’t kill anyone

No I’m just trying to have me some fun ….

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0z1wNrPHGlQ

Great song.

I’d also like to say state that I find it continually amusing to see that most of those who criticize me, hold off in expressing their opinions until I have expressed mine and some
then continue on, more often than not, to agree with me.

It’s validating and most satisfying!

Thank you, to the few…

p.s. And thanks, JT, for backing me up on Sonia Sotamayor the other night on KO…!!!!!!!!
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Is there something illogical in the above.

1) You find it amusing;
2) That most who criticize you;
3: Hold off in expressing their opinions until you have expressed your?;
4) Then continue on; and
Its Validating and most satisfying.

Do they have magic mushroom where you live? Did you take a trip and not return to reality? Are you really Dick Cheney? Did someone leave the cage door open again? Has the Nurse returned to the station and that is why we won’t see you again until next Tuesday? Do you like the nice rubber room that they give you? Is the food that they serve you as good as the other places? Do you have a life outside of the blawg? Please see John Prine’s words for reality. It don’t cost very much.

I know. I was married, briefly, to a ‘Regional Counsel’, once…
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And we all know why:

I bet you did not have to worry about be just sprayed with a water hose. I am sure that this would have been from a lot of folks. This I am sure.

It’s validating and most satisfying!

Thank you, to the few…

p.s. And thanks, JT, for backing me up on Sonia Sotamayor the other night on KO…!!!!!!!!

‘Deserve’ has every bit to do with moat of their existence.

I know. I was married, briefly, to a ‘Regional Counsel’, once…

FFLEO,

I distinguished the elbow to the mouth in my very first post on this topic:

http://jonathanturley.org/2009/06/30/overspray-or-assault-florida-man-charged-with-battery-after-drenching-wife-with-garden-hose-for-smoking/#comment-64799

And I continued to distinguish it, even conceding the issue, throughout the thread.

“the hose spraying was part of the record, but not the basis for the battery charge”

That’s what I’m thinking. However, there seems to be plenty of people here who think otherwise.

“you appear to be more upset at this than warranted. Now no need to git riled-up at me because you are one of my favorite regulars here, but pard, you are leapfrogin’ over the law in this ‘sheer’ instance.”

Sorry, I have a low threshold tolerance for bullshi+.

“Did the wife deserve the water sprayin’; yes, I think so. Did she deserve an elbow to the mouth; definitely not, and therein lies the legal rub.”

Actually, as a former fed LEO, you should know that “deserve’s got nothin’ to do with it.”

SIYOM,

Bob

Vince Treacy, Mike Appleton Esqs. “hosed” your legal argument.

Seriously, the hosing was not the issue; it was the follow-up of the husband elbowing his wife in the mouth. Any affiant–the wife in the case–must give the full details leading up to the battery and the hose spraying was part of the record, but not the basis for the battery charge. As an attorney/Esq./lawyer you know much more about what happens after the LEO work is done and yours—as an Esq.—begins.

Of course, since you are a frog, we expect you to like water and overspray, and why, as a man, you appear to be more upset at this than warranted. Now no need to git riled-up at me because you are one of my favorite regulars here, but pard, you are leapfrogin’ over the law in this ‘sheer’ instance.

Did the wife deserve the water sprayin’; yes, I think so. Did she deserve an elbow to the mouth; definitely not, and therein lies the legal rub.