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	<title>Comments on: Vacationing for the Public Good: Members Massively Increase Travel at Taxpayer Expense for Themselves and Family</title>
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		<title>By: http://BuenaVistaMall.com</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2009/07/02/vacationing-for-the-public-good-members-massively-increase-travel-at-taxpayer-expense-for-themselves-and-family/#comment-65612</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 15:14:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>- America Land of the Hypocrites -

Congress, Obama and his administration are guilty of obstruction of justice in cover-up of torture and other War Crimes.

They are complicit in War Crimes and should be prosecuted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>- America Land of the Hypocrites -</p>
<p>Congress, Obama and his administration are guilty of obstruction of justice in cover-up of torture and other War Crimes.</p>
<p>They are complicit in War Crimes and should be prosecuted.</p>
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		<title>By: rafflaw</title>
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		<dc:creator>rafflaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 23:46:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With that kind of salary and those great perks, it is no wonder that Norm Coleman didn&#039;t want to leave the Senate.  When will he have another job as soft as that one?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With that kind of salary and those great perks, it is no wonder that Norm Coleman didn&#8217;t want to leave the Senate.  When will he have another job as soft as that one?</p>
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		<title>By: RandyMacon</title>
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		<dc:creator>RandyMacon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 21:14:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As atrocious as this is, with our leaders acting like morelike princes and spending our money wastefully, it is better than having these trips paid for by lobbyists like Jack Abramoff.

Greedy SOB&#039;s are everywhere. Their percentage in Congress is most likely a bit higher than anywhere else save Wall Street.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As atrocious as this is, with our leaders acting like morelike princes and spending our money wastefully, it is better than having these trips paid for by lobbyists like Jack Abramoff.</p>
<p>Greedy SOB&#8217;s are everywhere. Their percentage in Congress is most likely a bit higher than anywhere else save Wall Street.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymously Yours</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymously Yours</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 20:03:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Political Game. That is all it is. There is no &quot;ME&quot; in Win and certainly there is a lot of ME in GAME. But the have to have shame.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Political Game. That is all it is. There is no &#8220;ME&#8221; in Win and certainly there is a lot of ME in GAME. But the have to have shame.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Spindell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Spindell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 17:05:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/uscongress/a/congresspay.htm

That link above provides Congressional pay rates, which is $174,000 annually. Add on excellent health care and other benefits and many of us would salivate over that kind of money. I never in my 37 years ever came within even shouting distance of money like that, in fact the NYC Human Resources Administration&#039;s Commissioner, with 20,000 employees and multi billion$ in funding, only made $145,000 before I retired from that Agency.

However, neither that Commissioner, nor I had to raise and spend multi million$ at specified time periods to get our jobs. Why do people go through the expense of running and the discomfort of the campaign trail to get these jobs, when a good sales person for a large Corporation can make as much or more? Perhaps there is more than meets the eye beyond ones&#039; commitment to public service for most of them. The first reason is of course ego and the sense of being in the &quot;in crowd,&quot; but except if one is a raging narcissist (probably only about 30% of Congress), it seems a steep price to pay for the proffered rewards. The truth is of course that they are in it for the money, even if that money&#039;s source is not readily apparent. Most rather than being leaders are some one&#039;s, or some entity&#039;s stooges and are paid well for it in some form or other. There are no doubt some who actually do this out of a sense of purpose, but really we&#039;re talking maybe 15% at most.

Now as far as the foreign trips are concerned the congress in general has become so used to their exalted status that I really believe they would be shocked that anyone questioned their rights on this. Years in office, with the deference it brings you in some circles and the DC party circuit has bestowed upon them a sense of entitlement and destroyed any sense of shame, or guilt.</description>
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<p>That link above provides Congressional pay rates, which is $174,000 annually. Add on excellent health care and other benefits and many of us would salivate over that kind of money. I never in my 37 years ever came within even shouting distance of money like that, in fact the NYC Human Resources Administration&#8217;s Commissioner, with 20,000 employees and multi billion$ in funding, only made $145,000 before I retired from that Agency.</p>
<p>However, neither that Commissioner, nor I had to raise and spend multi million$ at specified time periods to get our jobs. Why do people go through the expense of running and the discomfort of the campaign trail to get these jobs, when a good sales person for a large Corporation can make as much or more? Perhaps there is more than meets the eye beyond ones&#8217; commitment to public service for most of them. The first reason is of course ego and the sense of being in the &#8220;in crowd,&#8221; but except if one is a raging narcissist (probably only about 30% of Congress), it seems a steep price to pay for the proffered rewards. The truth is of course that they are in it for the money, even if that money&#8217;s source is not readily apparent. Most rather than being leaders are some one&#8217;s, or some entity&#8217;s stooges and are paid well for it in some form or other. There are no doubt some who actually do this out of a sense of purpose, but really we&#8217;re talking maybe 15% at most.</p>
<p>Now as far as the foreign trips are concerned the congress in general has become so used to their exalted status that I really believe they would be shocked that anyone questioned their rights on this. Years in office, with the deference it brings you in some circles and the DC party circuit has bestowed upon them a sense of entitlement and destroyed any sense of shame, or guilt.</p>
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		<title>By: Dredd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dredd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 16:16:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One wonders how many will be vacationing in Iraq to celebrate their &quot;daze of independence&quot; ...

http://blogdredd.blogspot.com/2009/07/iraqs-april-30-4th-of-july-irans-win.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One wonders how many will be vacationing in Iraq to celebrate their &#8220;daze of independence&#8221; &#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://blogdredd.blogspot.com/2009/07/iraqs-april-30-4th-of-july-irans-win.html" rel="nofollow">http://blogdredd.blogspot.com/2009/07/iraqs-april-30-4th-of-july-irans-win.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 15:32:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW, Italy is on the direct route to Afghanistan.  I&#039;m sorry you don&#039;t know your geography JT, but them&#039;s the facts.  A seven day lay over is necessary because of flight schedules.    

Paul Krugman had an excellent column on the disaster that is our Congress concerning global warming.  It should be obvious to anyone that the climate is strange, the evidence for global warming, overwhelming.  Yet we have Congresspeople ready to sink the planet on behalf of their donors. 

Likewise, on the financial scene, the majority of both Democratic and Republican members are willing to abandon the poor, working and middle class while again taking steps whose only beneficiaries are their wealthy donors.

I do not expect sainthood from the president or congresspeople.  I know most of them are greedy SOBs intent on gaining power and money.  I can live with that.  Where there is a lot of money, there is always skim.  But the wholesale abandonment of any obligation to our planet and other people besides their donor class, is repulsive.  

It is my contention that we have come to the point of having a parallel govt. which functions only to serve the elite.  This govt. acts without regard to the rule of law.  It does not even operate under the terms of science, let alone incorporate concerns of social welfare.  These people will take us down.  I don&#039;t know what the answers are, but we must PEACEFULLY stop them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW, Italy is on the direct route to Afghanistan.  I&#8217;m sorry you don&#8217;t know your geography JT, but them&#8217;s the facts.  A seven day lay over is necessary because of flight schedules.    </p>
<p>Paul Krugman had an excellent column on the disaster that is our Congress concerning global warming.  It should be obvious to anyone that the climate is strange, the evidence for global warming, overwhelming.  Yet we have Congresspeople ready to sink the planet on behalf of their donors. </p>
<p>Likewise, on the financial scene, the majority of both Democratic and Republican members are willing to abandon the poor, working and middle class while again taking steps whose only beneficiaries are their wealthy donors.</p>
<p>I do not expect sainthood from the president or congresspeople.  I know most of them are greedy SOBs intent on gaining power and money.  I can live with that.  Where there is a lot of money, there is always skim.  But the wholesale abandonment of any obligation to our planet and other people besides their donor class, is repulsive.  </p>
<p>It is my contention that we have come to the point of having a parallel govt. which functions only to serve the elite.  This govt. acts without regard to the rule of law.  It does not even operate under the terms of science, let alone incorporate concerns of social welfare.  These people will take us down.  I don&#8217;t know what the answers are, but we must PEACEFULLY stop them.</p>
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		<title>By: http://BuenaVistaMall.com</title>
		<link>http://jonathanturley.org/2009/07/02/vacationing-for-the-public-good-members-massively-increase-travel-at-taxpayer-expense-for-themselves-and-family/#comment-65040</link>
		<dc:creator>http://BuenaVistaMall.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 15:00:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most of the members of Congress could be arrested overseas or in Canada for War Crimes.

155 countries have lists of the U.S. Nazi Warmongers in the illegal Iraq and Afghanistan wars.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most of the members of Congress could be arrested overseas or in Canada for War Crimes.</p>
<p>155 countries have lists of the U.S. Nazi Warmongers in the illegal Iraq and Afghanistan wars.</p>
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		<title>By: foo</title>
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		<dc:creator>foo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 14:17:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is one of the reasons politicians are so desperate to get re-elected. There is simply no private sector comparison to the perks and benefits these guys get, unless you&#039;re a senior executive somewhere.  But Congress is full of less-than-stellar people who couldn&#039;t find their ass with both hands and a map.

Politics should not be a career.  Senators should be limited to 2 terms, and Congressmen/women should be limited to 6 terms.

However I doubt that even that change would knock sense into these guys.  They might take the view &quot;well I&#039;m only here for X years, so I better get it while the getting&#039;s good.&quot; Truly they must be made to suffer somehow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is one of the reasons politicians are so desperate to get re-elected. There is simply no private sector comparison to the perks and benefits these guys get, unless you&#8217;re a senior executive somewhere.  But Congress is full of less-than-stellar people who couldn&#8217;t find their ass with both hands and a map.</p>
<p>Politics should not be a career.  Senators should be limited to 2 terms, and Congressmen/women should be limited to 6 terms.</p>
<p>However I doubt that even that change would knock sense into these guys.  They might take the view &#8220;well I&#8217;m only here for X years, so I better get it while the getting&#8217;s good.&#8221; Truly they must be made to suffer somehow.</p>
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		<title>By: eniobob</title>
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		<dc:creator>eniobob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 13:51:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These politicians are just down right disgusting,they have NO spine to do what the people elected them to do.

They all talk a &quot;GAME&quot; not even a good one at that.

If A president can only serve (2) terms why should&#039;nt they be held to the same standard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These politicians are just down right disgusting,they have NO spine to do what the people elected them to do.</p>
<p>They all talk a &#8220;GAME&#8221; not even a good one at that.</p>
<p>If A president can only serve (2) terms why should&#8217;nt they be held to the same standard.</p>
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		<title>By: Buddha Is Laughing</title>
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		<dc:creator>Buddha Is Laughing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 13:41:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>$imply $wine</description>
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