One posting above on this thread said: “The rumor mill was rampant that he has spent over a million dollars in legal fees and we now no it’s true.” Another posting, verbatim:
“perez, mario 200.00
Perkins Coie 688,316.42 Look em up
Peter Slutsky 33.79
This combined with approx. $400k spent between Oct-Dec 2008 plus”
[???, sic]

The rumor that Obama has spent a million in legal fees is another false internet rumor spread by the unthinking birthers and their incoherent supporters. Once again, Jim at Irregular Times has done the heavy lifting: “You can find these sorts of claims all over the internet going on and on about Barack Obama spending so much money on legal fees to hide a birth certificate! But the funny thing is, I can’t find a single verifiable piece of documentation to show me any monetary amount spent by Barack Obama or his presidential campaign on legal fees for the purpose of suppressing the release of any birth certificate of his.”

So Jim challenged his readers to come up with verifiable information.

Well, the birthers came up dry. See for yourselves: http://irregulartimes.com/index.php/archives/2009/05/06/challenge-barack-obama-birth-certificate-legal-expenses/

bdaman posted a long essay at the thread “Obama adopts Cheney” on June 24, 2009 at 11:05 am. Most of it was actually cut from Leo Donofrio’s Natural Born Citizen site (where bdaman has also posted) and pasted up verbataim without attribution:

http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/2009/06/24/why-do-both-obamas-state-department-and-the-senate-require-two-us-citizen-parents-for-those-born-abroad-to-attain-natural-born-citizen-status/#comments [I do not post with Leo because, unlike JT, he censors and snips replies].

The entire long and repetitive essay is Leo’s answer to the question “Why do both Obama’s State Department and the Senate require two US citizen parents for those born abroad to attain natural born citizen status?” Or, as Leo asked repetitively, “The magic question is: Why was it important to all who co-sponsored Senate Resolution 511 that both parents be citizens?

The answer is straightforward. The resolution addressed the facts at hand. McCain was born outside the 48 States to two American citizen parents. That was the issue that the non-binding resolution addressed.

The State Department is bound by the federal immigration laws. Those laws provide that certain persons born outside the United States are citizens by birth rather than naturalization. These statutes have changed from time to time over the years. The rules differ, depending on whether the person born overseas had two citizen parents or just one citizen parent. A person born overseas who had one US citizen parent may be a citizen by birth, depending on that parent’s later residence in the US. The State Department has explained all of this.

The Senate has a right to express its views on the Constitution. The final interpretation of the Constitution is committed to the Supreme Court, and ultimately to the people by the Amendment process, but each branch, including Congress and the President, has the right and duty to determine any and all constitutional questions presented to it in the first instance. So the resolution addressed the question before it, and did provide a treatise on citizenship.

Leo knows where we are and can post here anytime he wants to.

I value your clear, stong voice. Will you please speak to Obama’s decision to imprison the innocent? If you agree with him, I’d like to know why. If you do not, I think every added voice matters.

At Dr. Conspiracy’s site, richCares has noted, for those unfamiliar with Hawaii, that Honolulu has two hospitals, both founded by Queens: a Maternity Hospital started by Queen Kapiolani, and a Medical Center started by Queen Emma; both hospitals are often called “Queen’s Hospital.” “If it’s Maternity, it’s probably Queen Kapiolani Maternity Home, the name it went by in the 60’s (now Queen Kapiolani Medical Center).” Rich said “these two Hospitals are often confused. If looking for Queens Hospital either may come up, so some made a mistake. However Obama and his family never varied in stating where he was born, Queen Kapiolani. Birthers trying to use a simple mistake to bolster their ignorant story, that’s normal for idiots grasping at straws. Yes, the birth certificate issue is over.”
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2009/07/hawaii-homelands-declares-short-form-good-enough/comment-page-9/#comment-13285

PS, The facility was originally opened by Queen Kapi’olani as the Kapi’olani Maternity Home in 1890[wiki]. Concerned about the welfare of Hawaii’s mothers and their babies, Queen Kapi’olani opened the Kapi’olani Maternity Home in 1890. From its inception, the hospital has played a vital role in the health of Hawaii’s women and children [official website]. There is a upi.com story out there that made thIS mistake.

QUOTE ONHigh School Newspaper reports Different Hospital of Obama’s Birth. Schoolkid Typo or… CONSPIRACY???
Jim
Actual excerpt from a lawsuit filed by “Obama is a foreigner” conspiracy theorist Philip J. Berg:

The Rainbow Edition News Letter, November 2004 Edition, published by the Education Laboratory School, attached as EXHIBIT “3”, did a several page article of an interview with Obama and his half-sister, Maya. The Rainbow Edition News Letter reports Obama was born August 4, 1961 at Queens Medical Center in Honolulu, Hawaii.

The “several pages” of the Rainbow Edition News Letter are two pages, and the claim that Obama was born at Queens is not part of any interview. The Education Laboratory School is a… high school. That makes the Rainbow Edition News Letter a… high school newspaper.
Is this a high school kid’s typo, or… is this a vast international conspiracy to cover up Barack Obama’s foreign birth?

http://irregulartimes.com/index.php/tag/kapiolani-medical-center/
QUOTE OFF

Funny thing. Dr. Jerome Corsi wrote: “In a November 2004 interview with the Rainbow Newsletter, Maya told reporters her half-brother Sen. Barack Obama was born on Aug. 4, 1961, at Queens Medical Center in Honolulu; then in February 2008, Maya told reporters for the Honolulu Star-Bulletin that Obama was at the Kapiolani Medical Center for Women and Children.”

Well, the newsletter is not the Rainbow. It is “The Rainbow Edition,” published by he students at Education Laboratory School in Hawaii. Attorney Phil Berg posted it online as part of his frivolous lawsuit. Please read pages 2 and 15: http://www.radiodujour.com/people/berg_philip/pdf/057_2%20Exhibit%20Charter%20Schools%20Rainbow%20Edition%20Newsletter.pdf

The article did not say that Maya Soetoro said that Obama was born at Queens. It is the writer of the article who began by saying that Obama was born at Queens Medical Center. The quotations by Maya Soetoro say nothing of the sort in the article. So there is no first hand evidence of the persistent internet rumor.

The hospital of birth issue is not heating up. It is getting colder by the minute.

here it is Vince, your turn to say it’s a forgery. Plus all of the news articles. It’s a matter of being open and transparent, just another speech, words just words. See the latest post http://jonathanturley.org/2009/07/08/12598/ and comments. The word Liar is starting to get used alot.

The long Nut article on July 7, by swift boater Joe Corsi, also ends with a shout out for funds. These birthers are truly as despicable as the folks who used to send form letters to senior citizens telling them their Social Security was at risk, and then soliciting funds from them. They are trying to separate a lot of honest Americans from their money with lies and falsehoods.

Getting down to the hospital issue, Dr. Conspiracy has written at the Obama Conspiracy site that “the persistent Internet rumor that Barack Obama’s half sister Maya claimed that he was born at Queens Hospital, is not true.” [Dr. Conspiracy refuses outright to accept any money at all.]
Joe Corsi floated the Queens Hospital rumor at the Nut in November, 2008. This was his sentence: “In a November 2004 interview with the Rainbow. Maya told reporters her half-brother Sen. Barack Obama was born on Aug. 4, 1961, at Queens Medical Center in Honolulu; then in February 2008, Maya told reporters for the Honolulu Star-Bulletin that Obama was at the Kapiolani Medical Center for Women and Children.”

The so-called Rainbow Newsletter is nowhere to be found. The link in Joe’s article does not go there. A search of the web shows that the birthers have been repeating Joe’s sentence over and over again until they believe it.

Other news sources have said that Obama said he was born at Queens, but without any links or first-hand sources. But Obama wrote and signed a letter himself on White House stationary that he was born at Kapi’olani Medical Center in Honolulu. So he does know where he was born.

The gullibility of the birthers is awesome. They rely on news accounts that repeat each other to infinity, yet never link or print an actual first person statement by Obama or his sister. All the sources say that someone said this. Hearsay. Where are the first person tapes or transcripts of Obama or his sister saying he was born at Queens Hospital. The news sources may have made mistakes. So what? There is an express disclaimer at one of the sites: “Content on blogs in My.BarackObama represents the opinions of community members and in no way should be interpreted as endorsed or approved by the campaign.”

What does it matter, anyway? Both hospitals are in the United States. Birth in either hospital made him a natural born citizen.

The Nut article on July 7, by swift boater Joe Corsi, also ends with a shout out for funds. These birthers are truly as despicable as the folks who used to send form letters to senior citizens telling them their Social Security was at risk, and then soliciting funds from them. They are trying to separate a lot of honest Americans from their money with lies and falsehoods.

Getting down to the hospital issue, Dr. Conspiracy has written at the Obama Conspiracy site that “the persistent Internet rumor that Barack Obama’s half sister Maya claimed that he was born at Queens Hospital, is not true.” [Dr. Conspiracy refuses outright to accept any money at all.]

http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2009/05/where-obama-was-born/

Joe Corsi floated the Queens Hospital rumor at the Nut in November, 2008. This was his sentence: “In a November 2004 interview with the Rainbow. Maya told reporters her half-brother Sen. Barack Obama was born on Aug. 4, 1961, at Queens Medical Center in Honolulu; then in February 2008, Maya told reporters for the Honolulu Star-Bulletin that Obama was at the Kapiolani Medical Center for Women and Children.” http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=79900

The so-called Rainbow Newsletter is nowhere to be found. The link in Joe’s article does not go there. A search of the web shows that the birthers have been repeating Joe’s sentence over and over again until they believe it.

Other news sources have said that Obama said he was born at Queens, but without any links or first-hand sources. But Obama wrote and signed a letter himself on White House stationary that he was born at Kapi’olani Medical Center in Honolulu. So he does know where he was born.

The gullibility of the birthers is awesome. They rely on news accounts that repeat each other to infinity, yet never link or print an actual first person statement by Obama or his sister. All the sources say that someone said this. Hearsay. Where are the first person tapes or transcripts of Obama or his sister saying he was born at Queens Hospital. The news sources may have made mistakes. So what? There is an express disclaimer at one of the sites: “Content on blogs in My.BarackObama represents the opinions of community members and in no way should be interpreted as endorsed or approved by the campaign.”

What does it matter, anyway? Both hospitals are in the United States. Birth in either hospital made him a natural born citizen.

The Snopes entries can be accessed for all to read at these links::

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/muslim.asp

Obama says yesterday he met his wife in class (00:39)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDIPcfrFVUo&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Etheobamafile%2Ecom%2FObamaLatest%2Ehtm&feature=player_embedded

Barack Obama joined the Chicago law firm, Sidley Austin, as a summer intern in 1989. That’s where he met his future wife, Michelle Robinson, who was his adviser.

Michelle obtained her Juris Doctor degree from Harvard Law School in 1988. Obama began Harvard Law School in in the fall of the same year. They were never at law school at the same time. This is just another senseless Obama lie to add to the ever-growing list.

I hear you want to date me. My Ukrainian is better than my understanding of your English. I hope to meet you some day, please make my day and submit yourself to be mine. Will you direct me in my next movie?

Some say that I am half Russian and half Yugoslavian. I can assure you that I am all woman, your kind. Please come to me.

In re Birthers

It’s a dead horse legally. You should let that one go. We agree on more than you might suspect, but seriously, the birther thing is nonsense that leads nowhere. It’s propaganda for rubes (and I think you’re smarter than that). There’s plenty to go after BO about and more every day that he’s in office, but that isn’t one of them. If you want to take on the Washington Hypocrisy, which it seems you do, perhaps another avenue of attack would serve you better in the long run. I’m not saying don’t believe he’s not a citizen if you like, but belief and what is actionable (in the broadest sense of the term, not the legal definition) are often two different things. For example, I believe that I want to have sex with Milla Jovovich, but since I don’t know her, my chances approach zero rapidly.

Who cares anymore, you have a corrupt court system interested in preserving itself. They only go in at the call of the president. I may be wrong but that was an issued between Jefferson in which Marbury vs Madison was written. Silent but why they gap in Opinions?

1. Barack Hussein OBAMA was born on 4 August 1961 at the Queen’s Medical Center in Honolulu, Hawaii, to Barack Hussein OBAMA, Sr. of Nyangoma-Kogelo, Siaya District, Kenya, and Ann DUNHAM of Wichita, Kansas. His parents met while both were attending the East-West Center of the University of Hawaii at Manoa, where his father was enrolled as a foreign student. When Barack Obama was two years old, his parents divorced and his father moved to Connecticut to continue his education before returning to Kenya.When Obama was six, his mother married Lolo Soetoro, an Indonesian oil manager. In 1967, when Soetoro’s student visa was revoked because of political unrest in Indonesia, Dunham and Barack, then in first grade, accompanied him to Jakarta, Indonesia. Obama’s half-sister, Maya Soetoro was born after the family moved to Indonesia. Four years later she sent him back to the United States to live with his maternal grandmother.

On January 24, 2009, Mr. Obama presented a letter to the Kapi’olani Medical Center for Women and Children where, in part, he made the following assertion:

As a beneficiary of the excellence of Kapi`olani Medical Center – the place of my birth – I am pleased to add my voice to your chorus of supporters.

Their son, also named Barack Hussein Obama, was born on 4 August 1961 at the Kapiolani Medical Center in Honolulu, Hawaii. (News accounts have also previously placed his birth as having occurred at Queen’s Medical Center in Honolulu, Hawaii.)

an article published in the Rainbow Edition Newsletter, seems to indicate that Mr. Obama was actually born in Queen’s Medical Center:

A]ccording to Snopes, the popular online hoax-buster that many rely on as the final word on both important and frivolous stories, Obama was born at a different hospital in the Hawaiian capital.

In Snopes’ entry concerning allegations that Obama is a “radical Muslim,” the site addresses the birth history of the commander in chief, stating, “Barack Hussein Obama was born on 4 August 1961 at the Queen’s Medical Center in Honolulu, Hawaii.”

Update: Snopes has now switched it to Kapi’olani screen shot has been taken before the switch.

But Snopes is not alone in asserting Obama was born at a hospital other than the one he personally claims.

A number of news articles published both in the U.S. and abroad name Queen’s Medical Center – not Kapi’olani – as the correct birthplace.

A United Press International report from Nov. 4 states:

“Obama described his birth at Queen’s Medical Center in Hawaii Aug. 4, 1961, to a young white woman from Kansas and a father of Luo ethnicity from Nyanza Province in Kenya, as an ‘all-America’ story transcending orthodox racial stereotypes and experience.”

Obama doesn’t even know. Maybe he should of stuck to Honolulu like the COLB says.

Way to go, Gov!

You are now the first Republican socialdemocrat in the US. What You just did is exactly what socialdemocrats did in Sweden during their time in office…
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May I ask you a question Andreas. ok I will anyway. What label do you place on someone for doing what is the right thing? Does it matter if they are a socialist, democrat, republican?

You know sir, I would trust more a known atheist than a proclaimed christian. At least with an atheist they usually are following a belief that they truly believe, can you say the same?

You are now the first Republican socialdemocrat in the US. What You just did is exactly what socialdemocrats did in Sweden during their time in office…

Take, for example, paragraph 20 of the complaint: “Finally, in 1981, Barry Soetoro traveled to Pakistan, when there was a ban for U.S. citizens to travel to Pakistan, therefore the only logical possibility for him to do so was by using one of his other passports: Indonesian, Kenyan, or British.”

Somebody else posted this pathetic, false fiction on this site. I directed everyone to the official State Department Notice from 1981 that stated citizens traveling on US Passports could get visas to visit Pakistan http://dosfan.lib.uic.edu/ERC/travel/cis/southasia/TA_Pakistan1981.pdf
Never heard back on that issue. Just one more example of birther falsehood.

But the birther conspiracy theorists are impervious to the facts.

The other issues badman raised in the links are just as frivolous and unfounded, but this is a classic diversionary tactic. Draw the discussion away, into a maze of irrelevancies, to divert attention from the abject failure on issue at hand. No thank you.

And the hits just keep on commin.

http://216.221.102.26/blogger/post/New-court-filing-against-Obama.aspx

Ok. Fine. Sure.

perez, mario 200.00
Perkins Coie 688,316.42 Look em up
Peter Slutsky 33.79
http://query.nictusa.com/pres/2009/Q1/C00431445/B_PAYEE_C00431445.html

This combined with approx. $400k spent between Oct-Dec 2008 plus
Much of the legal representation was given free by voluteers. Other representation has been by governmental bodies against clearly frivolous lawsuits.

Do not think something is not possible without first exploring the possibilities. Gahndi

The golden rule of conduct…is mutual toleration, seeing that we will never all think alike and we shall see Truth in fragments and from different angles of vision. Conscience is not the same thing for all. Whilst, therefor, it is a good guide for individual conduct, imposition of that conduct upon all will be an insufferable interference with everybody’s freedom of conscience. Gahndi

The DC Examiner link above includes comment by Dr. Krawetz, a real person and a real doctor with real credentials, not a pseudonym, and a link to his research posted at: http://hackerfactor.com/blog/index.php?/archives/235-Bad-Science-How-Not-To-Do-Image-Analysis-Part-II.html

QUOTE
Dr. Neal Krawetz says: With regards to Argument #2: My last name is spelled “Krawetz”. I have presented at numerous conferences on forensic topics including image analysis. For related works to this topic, see my BlackHat, CISCON, and Lockdown presentations on image analysis and digital photo forensics.

While “Ron Polarik” says that his name is an alias and gives unverifiable and questionable credentials, I am a real person and my credentials are verifiable.
July 6, 9:33 PM UNQUOTE

The argument that the COLB was forged is on a par with the argument that the 1969 Moon landing was staged on Earth. The COLB is in fact a valid birth certificate showing that Obama was born in Hawaii in 1961

“Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.” Daniel Patrick Moynihan.

Why don’t you answer a few questions yourself for the readers out there? Why does it matter if an Obama website used the words native born instead of natural born, if they mean the same thing? What is the legal effect of this? Tell us. My answer is that the use of alternate words that mean the same thing makes no difference at all.

Do you or do you not hold that the posted COLB is a forgery, as alleged by another poster at this site? What is your answer? Probably that you do not know, but that can only because you do not want to look at the evidence. As I said, numerous experts have said it is not a forgery, and even World Net Daily agreed. I hold that it is valid and genuine. What is your answer?

Obama is not going to Kenya. So what?

You again say that he will not release the original. This has been explained over and over again. There is no other form that can be released. Hawaii now only issues computer-generated Certificates of Life Birth (COLB) to everyone who applies. I have posted the federal law, enacted in the fight against terrorism, that sets standards for birth certificates.

Neither Obama nor any other applicant can get any other form, whether it is called long form or vault copy or anything else. He has released the only birth certificate that Hawaii can give him. When the reporters asked the Press Secretary about the birth certificate, he responded truthfully that it had been released. That is your answer.

Obama has released his birth certificate. It is valid. It shows he was born in the United States. Get over it. Move on.

You wrote that “As the President, even by executive order, could tell Hawaii to release all information about him.” All the lawyers at this site will tell you that under the Constitution and our federal system, the President cannot issue an Executive Order to a State. Executive Orders cover the Executive Branch. Congress may sometimes enact legislation that affects States, and may delegate some authority to the President, but it has not done so here. The lawyers here will confirm this. Please try to learn something,

The rumor that he has spent millions in legal fees is false. Much of the legal representation was given free by voluteers. Other representation has been by governmental bodies against clearly frivolous lawsuits.

Here is a link to a conservative reporter in a conservative paper, the DC Examiner. Try to learn from him:

http://www.examiner.com/x-5738-St-Louis-Political-Buzz-Examiner~y2009m7d6-My-last-word-on-the-Obama-birth-certificate-conspiracy-theory#comments

I have had my say and answered your questions. Now it is your turn.

The problem is that he has either created this and/or is simply laughing as we hash it out in cyber land.

Why, knowing the constitution says natural born citizen, put native born citizen regardless if they mean the same thing.

You referenced WND above and the BC issue but they are still pushing it with bill boards and thier WH reporter asked Gibbs last week why not release the original and today they say that the hospital where the President says he was born can not confirm or deny his birth without his permission.

The rumor mill was rampant that he has spent over a million dollars in legal fees and we now no it’s true. As the President, even by executive order, could tell Hawaii to release all information about him. He could of gave a million plus to feed the children of Kenya. Speaking of which he will be in Africa but has no plans to stop in Kenya. Thats a great way to pay homage to the country where his father was born and I don’t buy into his excuse for not doing so.

Vine Tracy I appreciate your side of the argument, I really do, however appreciate mine that all I’m saying is there is to many questions about him and his life that has gone unanswered that he could of quashed long ago regardless of a COLB that was posted on line. I have come to believe that like 9-11, we may never know.

I would just save your fine arguments for citizenship and paste them every time some clown like Cindy thinks he is an African or Alien or Malaysian.

This is getting tiring even for a conservative.

Hey republicans he is a citizen so give up, spend your time fighting his policies.

QUOTE
“Smears claiming Barack Obama doesn’t have a birth certificate aren’t actually about that piece of paper — they’re about manipulating people into thinking Barack is not an American citizen.

“The truth is, Barack Obama was born in the state of Hawaii in 1961, a native citizen of the United States of America.”UNQUOTE

Obama is a citizen and a natural born citizen. He is the President of the United States.

Obama was born in the United States, in Hawaii, in 1961, and was subject to the jurisdiction of the U.S. at that time (as he was not the child of diplomats). He therefore became a citizen of the United States by birth, not by naturalization. 14th Amendment. He was therefore “a natural born Citizen … of the United States” and thus eligible to be President. Art II, sec. 1.

Smears claiming Barack Obama doesn’t have a birth certificate aren’t actually about that piece of paper — they’re about manipulating people into thinking Barack is not an American citizen.

The truth is, Barack Obama was born in the state of Hawaii in 1961, a native citizen of the United States of America.
http://www.fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate

http://www.fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate

Please read my posts. JT and I have posted the reasons the founders wanted the President to be natural born. They did not want foreign princes or generals sweeping in and getting citizenship from Congress, and taking over the Presidency.

JT posted the letter from John Jay on this site, and I reposted it. Go back and read it again. Jay wanted a check on “the admission of Foreigners into the administration of our national Government.” The Offices of the National Government are the President and Vice-President. That was their intent. I do not know how I can make it any clearer.

The Senators and Representatives (and Governator Arnold) have far more limited impact, power and influence than the national officers. The admission of naturalized citizens had a far smaller effect in Congress.

“Why does Obama post native born on Fight the Smears. He supposedly is a constitutional lawyer, he should know the difference.” What are you talking about? That site posted his birth certificate to show that he was born in the US, and was a natural born citizen qualified for the Presidency. They had to post it after the birthers had circulated their lies that he was born in Kenya or somewhere else. Where did you get “native born”? Are you pasting up stuff from the birther internet underworld?

You sure have a lot of questions. How about posting your views with some support for a change.

To be a Senator or Congressman one need only to be a citizen, to be a Pres. or Vice Pres. You need to be natural born.

The fact is, natural born is not defined anywhere. Why did the framers feel that they needed to seperate those two. They could of left natural out. Why does Obama post native born on Fight the Smears. He supposedly is a constitutional lawyer, he should know the difference.

http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2009/06/reply-to-cort-wrotnowski/#more-3774

QUOTE Holdouts, pointed to an obsolete web page on the Department of Hawaii Homelands web site that said the “long form” was preferable for them. However, reflecting the fact that long forms are no longer available, the DHHL web site has been updated and now says:

“The Department of Hawaiian Home Lands accepts both Certificates of Live Birth (original birth certificate) and Certifications of Live Birth because they are official government records documenting an individual’s birth. The Certificate of Live Birth generally has more information which is useful for genealogical purposes as compared to the Certification of Live Birth which is a computer-generated printout that provides specific details of a person’s birth. Although original birth certificates (Certificates of Live Birth) are preferred for their greater detail, the State Department of Health (DOH) no longer issues Certificates of Live Birth. When a request is made for a copy of a birth certificate, the DOH issues a Certification of Live Birth.”

Source: Dr. Conspiracy at the Obama Conspiracy site:
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2009/07/hawaii-homelands-declares-short-form-good-enough/comment-page-7/#comment-13052

I recommend Dr. Conspiracy highly to all the vistitors to this site who want to drill down into birther weeds.

What is your point. Obama has been 14 years resident of the US, at least from 1995 to the present. This is not an issue.

Obama does not present this problem. He was born in the United States. He has been a citizen since infancy. He does not fit into the class of foreign leaders, like German Princes or relative of Napoleon, who could have become U.S. President after being naturalized by Congress, that represented the danger that Jay suggested to Washington.

However the other clause in the constitution is “been fourteen Years a resident within the United States”.

Is this consecutive? or can I have a child born Jus Soli, take him back and forth to a country of my choice, educate him/her as I see fit with the hopes of one day being president of the U.S.

What makes the difference for being a Senator/Congressman vs Pres. and Vice Pres.?

To many questions surrounding the issue, back and forth that only the Supreme Court should decide.

You also wrote that Lt Quarles Harris Jr was, cooperating, presumably for leniency.

Well, what was his barganning chip? again more questions.

Helen Thomas and Chip Reed of the press corp said it best this past week.

We the People of the United States ratified the Constitution of the United States. Its text is available for all to read. We did not ratify Vattel. Most of us never heard of him. So his words have no bearing on the issue.

Vattel is not the Supreme Court. The Supreme Court of the United States has ruled that children born on United States soil are citizens by virtue of their birth even if their parents were Chinese.

All of the issues about citizen parents have been debated on this site. Put Donofrio into the Search window to review the postings.

So the paid ad in the Washington Times is just another birther screed.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/17107553/Kerchner-et-al-v-Obama-Congress-et-al-Advertorial-in-20090706-Issue-Wash-Times

Cindy, there is no language anywhere in the Constitution that says that both parents must be citizens for someone to be a natural born citizen. If you find that language, please let us all know about it.

What a solid source. Anonymous poster. DC source. FBI agent. Drinking buddy from UI. Now in the Administration. Second hand but solid. What could be more believable? This is mother’s milk to the birthers.

It goes on and on: “They have already prepared the forgery with special paper and ink. The document was printed on a fully functional 1960 Heidelberger printing press located at a print museum in Toronto. Access was arranged by a trustee of the museum who is connected to a large Canadian banking/investment firm with major US interests.
“The blanks in the forged form were filled in with an old Underwood Manual typewriter bought at an estate sale in Skokie, IL. The raised seal was the easiest piece to fake, since you can by a special order corporate seal from just about any online office supply store.
“The only reason they haven’t rolled out the foregery yet is that it is “seasoning” under mild UV light and a back and forth rotation between between a humidifier and a sauna. Get ready….one to two months tops
“I also said they’d have to get a 1960s Printing Press, and indeed, by this information, looks like they found one.
The banking connection is disturbing too, gives more credibility to this also. The details here are solid.”

Has the poster ever considered what would happen when Republican officials in Hawaii take a look in their files, find that their originals differ from the forgery, and do their public duty to expose it?

If this ever happened, and it did not, any sane official getting wind of it would have said “Does the term ‘plumbers’ ring a bell with you?’”