The Montgomery County police conducted a raid on a home roughly a quarter of a mile in the territory of Washington, D.C. It appears that the Montgomery County police rented themselves and their vehicles to a television production company for a show called “Prison Wives” and proceeded to conduct the raid without notifying the District of Columbia.
D.C. residents were terrified when officers with guns drawn and police cars blaring raided a home in Northwest D.C.
This was all done for a cable show for Investigation Discovery on women who fall in love and marry prisoners.
I am not sure what is more disturbing: the fact that police are now rented out like cheap extras or that a raid is conducted with county cars for a cheap cable show. They are not alone in this theater of the absurd, here.
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What is most disturbing, in a totally disturbing story is how far the encroachment of entertainment has crossed the line into
our criminal justice system. From the production and distribution end these a very cheap shows to produce and thus even generating moderate profits are good money makers. From the law enforcement perspective, however, these police reality shows demean the system and dishonor the participants. However,
we live in an age where most anyone will do anything to get themselves on TV. For the very few who find this a lucrative career choice, Elizabeth Hasselback comes to mind, there are th overwhelming many who merely look ridiculous. For the police officers they are disgracing their oaths and their uniforms.
“This was all done for a cable show for Investigation Discovery on women who fall in love and marry prisoners.”
WOW!
Meanwhile, back in Hollywood . . .
“See here, JR, it has all the spectacle of the Roman Coliseum and it’s as cheap to shoot as “The Hills”. We hire the Illinois State Police and National Guard to invade Iowa. We’ll call it “Capturing the Corn: The War on Vegans”! No, no, we’ll loose the hippie crowd with that . . . how about we have them attack Indiana instead and call it “Mean Green: The War for the Rustbelt”. Yeah, that’s now, that’s today, all the kids love the green. It’ll be a ratings bonanza! I can smell those ad revenues now . . . “
Now the program “Stupid Criminals” has a rival. Look out ratings …
This is just an example of cops living their super cop fantasies so they can play the “hero” in there own minds and to play “hero” to their own family/friends/acquaintences and strangers and whoever else they need to excuse themselves to for their brutish and generally inhumane behavior.
I have had many dealings w/cops and especially feds. And I can guarantee irrefutably that all these “cop” shows are nothing but fantasy.
They are scripted to the same degree as a Hollywood movie.
I can attest for certain that these cops/feds are the laziest, gluttonous, selfish, corrupt, ego-maniacl, smug people on the face of the planet. They don’t move a muscle for anyone and only as a last resort. They’re bully’s and punks hiding behind a badge to steal a paycheck and only to indulge in all the fringe benefits the job has to offer.
They couldn’t solve a case or find a clue unless they have corroporators giving them every piece of info and only then if they are led by the hand.
This show “cops” and every other one like it are a detriment to the American public. Whenever a cop “interacts” with a “civilian” the theme song from “cops” is playing in there head as they imagine themselves a “star” on the screen. So you’re sitting there woundering why this “storm trooper” pulled you over as you’re handing him his liscence while this brainwashed maniac is waiting for you to give him the “excuse” he’s been dying for to be the “hero” like all them other yahoo’s on these “cop” shows.
They oughtta take all these shows off the air so people can stop getting hurt by these LAWLESS maniacs!!!!
So after they staged this raid were these “hero’s” going to portay the “raid” as if it was real life?
Where they going to stand around congratulating each other and slaooing-backs for a job well done?
Would we then get the obligatory scene as the commanding officer calls his stressed put wife (who probably is being as hoodwinked as us)to tell her he’s going to be home for dinner?
ETC.
ETC.
ETC.
As they go back to production to orchestrate the next episode to out do the competing cop shows.
So would this be an exception to a Valid Warrant requirement? Honest mistake, you know they can be confusing.
Already gave several lessons on validity. If you do not have a basic understanding then, all I can say is that your ignorance knows no bounds.
As I advised Mike S, keep your day job b/c your attempts at humor are lame at best
But, most warrants are invalid b/c the corrupt officers lie to the judges to get them. They used fabricated info from fabricated informants.
But we live in such a pro-police stste these warrants are rarely ever challenged by the scared to death, deal making attorney’s who ,even if the get a pair, do not even want to waste their time b/c they know the judges are going to deny them anyway.
Sil1,
Guess you were a victim of a bad attorney. So why the crapola spouted when you clearly have the ability to be reasonable. These folks here (most of them) can be quite reasonable and informative.
If you insult the intelligence and or ideals of the person that you are addressing. Some of them here will give you a dressing down. I would apologize to the ones that you have insulted and start over.
Town, county, and state lines won’t matter when policing is federalized.
I think the feds, states and police unions all would accept such a proposition. The states could push all law enforcement costs onto the federal government, a huge economic relief. The police get even better benefits, more secure pay, and broader powers. The feds get to direct that power and take yet one more step in the quest to control all aspects of our lives and governance.
Only our Constitution and ideals lose, but that’s nothing new.
puzzling,
Federal law enforcements knows NO borders as it already exisits. All these inter-agency task forces are funded by the feds. The locals and staties get star-struck and wet in the loins just w/the idea of being part of a task force attached to the feds. They do all the leg work building cases then the feds swoop in and cherry-pick all the high profile cases to get all the glory and accolades.
These feds sit around like the pompous punks they’re trained to be sp[reading their money and badges to bully everyone around.
The only thing local being done is mundane police work and ticket writing. Any significant cases are all funded by the feds. And like I said, they just attach a fed or two to the task force. Then in addition to the cherry picking of state and local cases that these heavy-fisted feds engage in, if there’s some significant players in the case the feds may chop off just those key players, flip them and make a nice big fed case.
Unbeknownst to many, every single county jail is getting BIG TIME money from the feds just to house pre-trial feds. Over half the county jail population in many spots are fed guys awaiting trial and sentencing. The feds pick up so many cases that they could never build exclusive fed holding facilities. So it’s easier to just pay the county to hold the pre-trial inmates untill they get sentenced and are resdy for the air lift.
These counties are making money hand over fist with fed inmates. They get a set price per head and the feds pick up the tab for all the inmates meds and every other extra. It’s a boondoggle. These counties fight over making space to house feds. They couldn’t survive w/out the feds.
Whether it’s official or not, ALL policing is ALREADY federalized. The feds are taking cases from states they legally have no jourisdiction taking. And they keep writing statutes to broaden their powers.
Back when Giuliani was running NYC, he declared a certain day in the week “federal day”. Anybody busted that day picked themselves up a fed beef. All these poor inner city nobodies that sold a bag of dope on a certain day were looking at a fed beef but if you got busted on another day you might only be looking at county time.
Now we could argue all day about how deserving or undeserving a criminal is of their punishment. And my attitude was always that if you were gonna do the crime and live that life you better assume the responsibility for the time you may face if caught.
BUT we’re talking a larger issue here, STATES are suppossed to have soveriegnty. STATES are suppossed to be able to police their citizens. If you don’t like the laws enacted by the reps of one state you should be able to move to another. But when the feds step in w/their power and start throwing around their money and intimidating people then everybody gets corrupted and compromised. Power gets centralized and we all become subjects following the dictates of the feds.
This “hero” worship of corrupt, lazy, dishonest law enforcement officer’s who do NOT care about “to-protect-and-serve” BUT only care about “self glorification-praise-graft-and-cronyism” only enslaves us to an authoritarian master. Believe me when I tell you, that “Norman Rockwell” picture of the cop helping the runaway is dead. And it’s these glossy, action-packed cop shows that are part of the problem. B/c there’s no sense to a cop being a cop anymore unless they living a true life version of “Bad Boys”.
The feds are doing this everyday in the lives of Americans. Little by little usurping more of our liberties right under our noses.
Sil1,
I could not disagree with thing that you have said. It is well thought out and your thoughts. So why were you tactically offensive to everyone, when clearly you have an Opinion and counts here.
AY,
Didn’t have a bad lawyer. It cost me a fortune but he did me good. There’s not much you can do when the feds come calling. Pick up a fed beef and you know you better pack your toothbrush b/c you’re doing time guaranteed.
The feds deny nearly EVERYONE bail. No matter you’re exposure, the feds are gonna manipulate somethimng that keeps you locked up. And you might as well b/c practically NO one beats a fed beef. So you might as well hunker down and get that time served under your belt. Lawyers don’t even like wasting their time bringing a motion for bail b/c they know it’s almost a guaranteed denial.
The feds are dirty and they don’t lose. They’ll tell you, plead out and will tell the judge to go easy; take it to trial and lose and we’ll ask for the max. When the difference between the 2 offers are decades; what do you think people do? And tell me how that’s not another brand of extortion.
When the feds w/all their pomp-and-circumstance and all the power and majesty the bring, when they indict you
THE UNITED STATES vs. YOUR NAME
How do you think that plays to the jury. These average citizens are in AWE and think you must be the baddest person alive to committ a crime against the UNITED STATES. It’s frieghtening. And even more so when you realize that the feds just look art you noyt as a living breathing human being w/people that love you but as just a piece of meat that guarantees there job to feed the system of all the other feds dependent on your existence and incarceration for thier livlihood.
I make no apologies for myself> I was a committed criminal, proud of what I represented and ready to face my oppressors. But believe me, I did time w/guys who weren’t nearly the caliber of myself or my friends who had there lives thrown away forever b/c they got caught up in the feds #’s game.
Contrary to what people think, there is NO parole in the feds anymore. The only guys still under the parole system are Washington D.C. guys and guys w/old fed beefs (pre ’87) I believe. Nowadays if you pick up a fed beef, you’re doing 87% of the sentence. That’s a measly 54 good days a year, whether you’re doing 5, 10, 15 or 20 years.
So there’s kids that get tied into some loose conspiracy that the feds “scotched taped” together, b/c they LOVE big cases; so the more defendants they can link into a conspiracy no matter how flimsy the evidence, the better. These kids get slammed.
In my cvase the only connection some of us had was the vowel at the end of our name. My lawyer told me to plead out real quick and get out of the way. I felt I could beat the case> but my lawyer along w/some of my other co-defendants had been down that road w/the feds. They knew, all things being equal, that we might very well be able to beat it. But nothing is equal w/the feds so I was advised to take the lesser course of valor. They told me that was what they were going to do. They explained to me that the feds knew the case was garbage so they’d be happy w/the symbolism of all of us taking our guilty plea’s to give the feds their notch on their belt and trophy to mount. So maybe we would have to do a little time when in a fair system we could beat them but the benefit was that we were saving ourselves from the wrath of the feds. letting them be happy w/their pound of flesh and allowing us to fight another day.
That’s how it works in the feds. But not everyone has a lawyer who knows or even one who cares. Most are just scared to death sell-outs, feeding and feeding off the sytem.
Oh ya, thanks for the compliment
“I can attest for certain that these cops/feds are the laziest, gluttonous, selfish, corrupt, ego-maniacl, smug people on the face of the planet. They don’t move a muscle for anyone and only as a last resort. They’re bully’s and punks hiding behind a badge to steal a paycheck and only to indulge in all the fringe benefits the job has to offer.”
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Imagine this pearl of wisdom coming from anyone other than a felon caught in his own misdoing. I bet the officers who arrested him had bad breath and poor haircuts. Funny how the Judge had no trepidation sending our little rascal to his well-earned reward, and like everyone else there, “he was framed.” He felt he could beat the case. LOL. If his judgment was no better than what is on display here, I thing his lawyer was Daniel Webster to get this punk to take his punishment like a man instead of wasting all of our time watching him get all of his time. I find the feds professional, and while not perfect, infinitely better than their lesser trained and lesser paid local brethren, but then again I ‘ve never had to accompany them frog-walking into the lock-up in those snazzy blaze-orange scrubs.
AY,
Once again, thank you for the compliment.
The only reason why I jumped ugly the way I did was b/c I was attacked b/c everyone thought I was anti-”progressive” (That’s what I call them, though they may not believe they are)
I was trying to expose the hypocricy. As I was trying to explain to everyone, I believe in having an individual opinion. Just b/c I have one conservative view, does not make me a “neo-con”. Just b/c I have a liberal view does not make me a “progressive.
Why can’t we have some “neo-con”views, some “progressive”, some “libertarian” , some “conservative”, others “liberal”? Why does every position have to be straight along party-lines? Why do we have to vote the straight ticket? Why are we conditioned to believe it has to be that way? Why do we have to manipulate our own thoughts and actions to fit the view that the masters tell us? Why does it have to be either/or? And why can we only choose a Dem or Repub?
What about someone who believes in a strong defense, is unsure about climate change, believes abortion is a personal choice, supports school vouchers, believes in the effectiveness in medicinal marajuana, has strong feelings about human rights, doesn’t see anything wrong w/the pledge of alligience, believes in the rights of the accused, is soft on crime, believes in states rights, is not politically correct?
That’s all over the place and in the either/or, win or lose system that’s forced down our throats we have no other choice. So what do we do? We prioritize. We sell ourselves out in one respect to protect our other interests.
My point was to prove the biases and hypocricies.
I thank you for your engagement.
Mespo,
If you read my post and were not a dishonest cherry-picker, you would know that I NEVER tried to diminish my involvement in my crimes. I proudly accepted the life I lived. And before my priorities changed I wore my “marked man” status as a badge of honor.
I took w/pride that I lived my life in defiance and had already accepted the responsibility of my actions. I did my time standing on my head b/c nobody was ever going to make me back down from what I represented.
At least I could say I lived as a man. I had honor and respect in the game. There was no where in the feds I couldn’t go w/out getting love. On the streets my reputation as a stand up guy and one who’s word counted enabled me to go ANYWHERE in the world. People were PROUD to have ME drop THERE NAMES.
How many of those corrpt feds can say that. B/c if they can still put their heads down at night knowing they gave a day of excess time to some kid selling bags of dope in the ghetto to put food on the table then I pray for their souls. B/c to me all those that deserve their time isn’t worth giving a MILLI-SECOND of undeserved time to an innocent or someone who had minimal exposure in their case.
It’s propagandists like you who make those lazy do nothing feds seem as if they’re involved in a noble cause. Nothing could be further from the truth and these stupid cop shows don’t help.
And the next time you try to quote me to attack me put it in context, you ignorant.
I have more credibility b/c I admitted my guilt and accepted it . MY concern is for those who fall through the cracks and never get a second chance b/c of the corrupt, unsympathetic cops and prosecutors who run the system.
QUOTE THAT! YOU IGNORANT, ARROGANT, PSUEDO INTELLECTUAL.
MESAPO,
WHEN DIDE I EVER SAY I WAS FRAMED YOU JUDGEMENTAL ARROGANT!
WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE!
IN EVERY POST I TOOK FULL RESPONSIBILITY FOR MY CRIMES AND LIFE!
WHY SHOULD I FEEL shame WHEN I WAS A MAN AMONGST MEN!
YOU SHOULD QUOTE ME CORRECTLY AND IN CONTEXT!
You are nothing but an igniorant, smug punk. You could never match the standards of those I have been around. Anyone who would associate themselves w/such a disrespectful, dishonest, outright lying person should themselves be shamed.
YOU WILL SEE I PROUDLY ACCEPTED RESPONSIBILITY FOR EVERYTHING I DID.
MESAPO,
Certainly you would be star-struck by the feds.
That is their goal, to have lap-dogs like you in their midst believing all their hype.
Let me add naive to tyour list of lesser characterizations.
I could’ve beat the case as could’ve all of my co-defendants. Why do you think the feds gave us all the GLOBAL plea? B/c they knew the case was weak. So it was a business decision all the way around. And everyone won.
See, it’s little punks like you in the court room that mess it up. That’s why you don’t operate in the big leaugues defending the big boys. You already exposed the fact that you don’t so don’t try to back track now.
We ever saw a guy like you coming, we’d tell you to go back where you came before you hurt yourself.
Sil1,
You should have stopped and inquired why mespo said that rather than Juggler attack. He is not a bad source of information. Even if you do not agree with his brand of law, he still may be able to teach you something.
The older I go the more I remember I don’t know. On the inside or out you learn or die. So, if I may suggest slow down on the direct attacks. This is a fairly literate site. I won’t say liberal, I will say though a site where a lot of folks get together and chop the tree down in words. So that the next time we come back, it will still be there for us, if not protection the shade. So, relax and do some apologizes here. If your up to it.
“WHEN DIDE I EVER SAY I WAS FRAMED YOU JUDGEMENTAL ARROGANT!
WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE!”
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“My lawyer told me to plead out real quick and get out of the way. I felt I could beat the case> but my lawyer along w/some of my other co-defendants had been down that road w/the feds. They knew, all things being equal, that we might very well be able to beat it. But nothing is equal w/the feds so I was advised to take the lesser course of valor. They told me that was what they were going to do. They explained to me that the feds knew the case was garbage so they’d be happy w/the symbolism of all of us taking our guilty plea’s to give the feds their notch on their belt and trophy to mount. So maybe we would have to do a little time when in a fair system we could beat them but the benefit was that we were saving ourselves from the wrath of the feds. letting them be happy w/their pound of flesh and allowing us to fight another day.”
Me, I’m just a guy who reads what you say, laughs, and then reads between the lines. You accept full responsibility, but of course, you could have beaten the rap but were pressured into your wrongful concession by the big bad feds. Big Boy, indeed. Sure, I’d love to see that pre-sentence report for all the crimes you could have beaten but didn’t. You’re a criminal and worthy only of the scorn most feel about you. That you have something to say is completely obliterated by your breaching the rules the rest of us live by and some of us uphold everyday. I, like many, distrust everything you say, have said, or are likely to say. You’ll get no quarter from me, and less respect. Tell your victims you’ve changed and are ready to make reparations. You can spare your breath on me. As for being one of the “Big Boys,” I don’t see any evidence of it in your post. I see a little man, loaded with big chips on his shoulders seeking respect from respectable society. It’s a futile quest, but like Don Quixote’s, usually attempted by a man relying on his ass to see him through.
Buddha and mespo,
Since Michael died who is now going to blow Bubbles?
AY:
“Since Michael died who is now going to blow Bubbles?”
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Certainly a mystical question. Doris Day, maybe?
I should be ashamed of myself. But, I am, am, am not.
roflmao
Sicilian1 has a valid point. The system of plea bargaining is inherently corrupt and allows corruption and incompetence among law enforcement and the prosecutors to spread. To get convictions authorities need neither competence nor honesty.
The fact is that the US in particular (and other Anglo nations are following at some distance in its wake), has committed itself to far more law and order than it can afford. There are two many laws making too many things illegal, especially mind altering substances. If everyone who was innocent in that narrow and technical sense that they did not perform the actions constituting the crime refused to plea bargain and insisted on a trial the system would grind to a halt. Plea bargaining is the solution adopted to avoid this. The problem with it is that the difference between the sentence for the crime that a defendant is charged with if he goes to trial and the sentence for the crime to which he agrees to plead is far too great. This means that an “innocent” defendant who chooses to assert his right to a trial at which he is more likely than not to be convicted is acting irrationally.
The system can ration actual prosecutions to those who refuse to plea and concentrate all resources on them to convict them and give them enormous sentences.
There really needs to be a limit to the sentence difference between the charge threatened for a trial and that offered for a plea to say no more than 20% so that “innocent” defendants have an incentive to go to trial. There also needs to be full transparency in the plea bargain negotiations all records for which need to be public so that the coercion implicit in any huge difference between plea sentence and trial sentence is visible.
Ideally criminal defendants should form a union and go on a plea-bargain strike. The problem here is that the lawyer for each defendant has a duty to that defendant alone and would have to advise his own client to defect from the strike and take the plea offered.
Plea bargaining means the authorities never have to admit error as they can always get someone whom they have wrongly prosecuted to take a plea to something and still have a good chance of winning at trial if he refuses even if there is no credible evidence since juries chosen from the respectable classes always have an extreme pro-prosecution bias.
CM,
I used to feel the same way about the whole plea bargaining system. However, flawed as it may be, it’s only as bad as the individual prosecutors. Many do abuse the plea to boost their numbers, but some do take their jobs and commitment to the Constitution more seriously than others. The sad fact is yes, there is room for prosecutorial misdeeds in the area pf plea bargaining. But the answer isn’t to end the plea as it does indeed have a strong judicial efficiency component in cases with overwhelming evidence where the state’s interest (removing a criminal from society or situations where they can harm others) is just as well served by the conviction for a lesser offense. That saves a lot on money. It’s a Batman sized solution for a Superman sized problem. The answer is to put abusive prosecutors in prison. Try to mediate out the abuse to gain an operational efficiency from an inherently inefficient mechanism.
But it’s all probably a moot point.
In light of recent developments, this is all going to end in rebellion, slow rot (most likely given the cattle like mentality our public schools have created at the government’s doing) and/or eventually a massive attack by a foreign power anyway. The morons in DC have guaranteed that by perpetually selling out to K St. And since Obama has coddled right up next to the fascists and is towing their line on everything from health care reform to restoring the rule of law and putting the Bush criminals in prison, it’s going to happen sooner rather than later. At this rate, within my lifetime, there will be massive upheaval in the United States. Obama still has time to move in the right direction, but as of now he has has proven himself nothing more than a better spoken Bush – the same fascist bullshit just in a different bag coming from the same group of egoistic venal scumbags (politicians as whole). That’s what you get when you have a two party system and the choices are scumbags and slightly different scumbags for your choices. Well, the good news and the bad news is We the People outnumber ALL government employees by 10 to 1. If even half our numbers decided the were done for tomorrow, there is no army in the world that could stop it. And here’s what I know about human nature – when you get 10 people together and one of them perpetually steals, cheats and lies? Eventually the other 9 are going to beat him down or kill him. That’s just how we are wired as a species. It’s the myopia caused by their collective mental defects of narcissism and sociopathic service themselves above all other considerations that keeps the fools on the Hill from seeing exactly how badly they are setting themselves up for disaster.
MESPO,
You are such an ignorant, arrogant bordering on being a complete moron.
I schooled you on logic, now let me school you on the law.
I never said I was framed as you quoted.
I was guilty of the charges leveled at me, probably even more so than charged.
However, in the criminal justice system, it is not a matter of guilt or innocence BUT a matter of being guilty OR not guilty.
Having the opinion that you could “beat the case” has NOTHING to do w/whether you are innocent or guilty BUT whether you can “BEAT” the evidence the government presents against you.
To a man, our lawyers and every defendant knew the case was weak and felt we could “beat” the charges. But knowing the way the feds operate and how they go for blood, we decided to take the lesser course of valor and just took the plea’s. The feds were happy b/c they got to play “hero” and mount their trophies, while we got to fight another day.
As a lawyer it is an abomination that you do NOT understand, as you’ve so clearly demonstrated, that you do NOT understand the concept between a defendant feeling they can “beat” the charges and being as you term framed.
Your inability to grasp that concept makes it clear that you should immediately hand in your law liscene to the local board of bar overseers. B/c if the ever got their hands on your discourse then matched your identity then they would move for immediate disbarrment.
Just for clarity:
I NEVER said I was innocent. The charges were NOT probably reflective of the total involvement of all the defendants. However, in reference to the charges against us, the evidence was defintely lacking. The fact that the feds offered us plea’s so readily and quickly is a teastament to that fact. However w/the feds knowing that we knew how the system worked and knowing that our lawyers were experienced w/these types of cases knew they could give us a quick offer to get their pound of flesh and keep the corrupt system moving.
What did they accomplish? except a big dog-and-pony show. But what about those other poor souls that don’t have lawyers who know how to operate through the system? What about those poor souls who the feds are scared of in the least? The poor souls who don’t have high profile cases where the feds are just looking for a little symbolism? Against these poor souls the feds show no mercy b/c they have nothing to lose so they can over charge them and then stick it to them w/no remorse.
AY,
It appears your effort was wasted.
MESPO,
Once again you were exposed as a big FRAUD.
Your quotes:
“pressured into a wrongful decision by the big bad feds. Big boy, indeed. Sure, I’d love to see the pre-sentence report for all the crimes you could’ve beaten butdidn’t. You’re a criminal worthy of the scorn most people feel about you.”
I could go on. But that surely sounds to me like a “CONSERVATIVE”, “REPUBLICAN”, “INTOLERANT”, “ALL CRIMINALS ARE GUILTY”
You are a hypocrite and do not deserve to be representing anyone charged w/a crime. I feel bad b/c you are doing your clients a diservice.
If they only knew the arrogance you possess.
No, you wouldn’t want to see my PSI b/c you would never be able to understand that a PSI is NOT an indictment. It’s only prepared by probation to “dirty” someone up w/allegations that they can’t prove b/c if they could they would’ve included them in the indictment.
You are an insignificant human being who is of no importance in the grand scheme of anything. At least I had the conviction to follow in the footsteps of great men who refused to be shackled by a corrupt and oppressive society.
But that is something you could never wrap your mind around.
So not only have I exposed your ignorance, arrogance and hypocricy, I have exposed your inferior grasp of certain concepts of the criminal justice system but that I have lived by a higher standard of nobility.
Buddha,
One can only do what one is capable of doing at the time. Sil1 has a lot of anger issues which are evident in his writing. Maybe he is incapable of resolving. If you remember he stated yesterday that he was just trying to feed his family by selling drugs. I am unsure what kind, if weed only, it should not be criminal. That is my opinion only.
People with power or lack of generally attack rather than speak their peace. Maybe he will get it maybe he won’t. I can ignore him when he goes off on his/her tangents.
s1:
“I NEVER said I was innocent.”
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Thanks for proving my point that you are an undercharged felon seeking “street cred” among your betters here on this blog. Unfortunately for you, most of us on this blog do not live in the streets and have no illusions that a tough guy reputation on those mean streets makes you anything more than a thug. By the way, I wasn’t your lawyer so I have no obligation to advocate or even see your point of view. In this instance, I am merely of member of the public whose standards you have criminally offended and never fully answered for. Spew elsewhere.
Carlyle Moulton,
You are so right about the system grinding to a halt if everyone asserted there right to a trial. The feds have so many cases and bullsh*t ones at that that they could never handle the overload.
But they know this that is why they play so many tricks in charging people.
The fact that they get away w/denying everyone bail is part of the problem. They talk about Guantanomo. Guys sit in lock-up for years. I’ve known guys who went through pre-trial for 3, 4, 5 years, filling motions and answering motions filed by the feds. Then the feds finally get them to plead and it’s all time served.
I’ve known guys denied bail on some bullsh*t drug case that hung around the system for years then beat the case and get released from court. But what happened to all those lost years?
Then they just over charge people who have minimal involvement in the case for the express purpose of flipping them. These guys may sit in the joint waiting it out for a couple of years looking at decades behind bars b/c they been over charged when finally they flip b/c they’ve cracked. If some guys hang tough and the feds really want to sqeeze some info out of them, they’ll just hit them w/the old reindictment.
You’re absolute ly right abt the differences. Where is the justice when they say ‘take this plea but go to trial and lose and you’ll get this’ and the difference is DECADES worth of time? How can they justify that? It’s only about power.
Mespo,
I do NOT live in the streets. I wouldn’t be blogging here if I did.
I was an all-around criminal. An “earner” of the highest degree. There was NO institution that was out of my league.
I lived by a code of the highest manhood, something a weak man like yourself could never come w/in hailing distance of.
You can not impune my credibility by trying to denigrate me. I am a true renaisance man. I have repeatedly broken down your lack of logic and rhetoric, your inferior grasp of the profession in which you practice and that your standards of honor are non-existent. I have destroyed you in all arena’s.
Now don’t you have some clients to sell down the river? Get to, chop-chop, you annoy me w/your inferior challenges.
AY,
Another ignorant.
I NEVER said I was trying to feed my family by selling drugs. Get the quotes correct.
July 7, 2009 @9:09
“some kid selling bags of dope in the ghetto to put food on his table”
I was talikung in reference to over charging defendants who have minimal involvement the giving them excess time that is undeserving when they are nobodies. And how a prosecutor’s ability to sleep at night after doing that is an abomination.
Take my comments in their context. And stop being an iggnorant.
If you’re going to quote me quote me right and in context.
Refer to:
July 7, 2009 @9:09pm.
iggnorant
That about sums it up.
Progressives,
You expose your hypocricy again.
I take a soft on crime pro-defendant stance and you all rave against me.
That is b/c all your populus mumbo-jumbo is just that. You sit up in your ivy-towers talking a good game untill you’re really hit w/the facts then you expose your deep-seeded intolerant biases. You never practice what you preach.
You will rationalize and manipulate your reasoning.
Moulton didn’t say anything different than what I said. And I’m certain you all agree with him. But like the progressives that you are you only REALLY believe in theories and using arguments to demonize. When a face is put to these suppossed beliefs you suppossedly hold, you’re true bias, predjudice and intolerance rears it’s ugly head.
I am just honest. I never denied anything I did or about myself, I took full responsibility from the outset. I admitted that a criminal of my caliber and my co-defendants were all still able to “work” our plea’s. But that does NOT make the system right, it does NOT excuse it for it’s corruption.
After serving a fed bid and seeing the absolute humanity that has been thrown to the wolves, my heart cries for these souls. I was lucky b/c I had a good lawyer and some co-defendants that could counsel me through the process. But what about those that don’t and are just another notch on some zealous merciless prosecutor’s belt? They are still people too. They still have loved ones that care about them and who’s lives will be eternally affected b/c that loved one got locked up for more years than they deserved.
Thonk about that you hypocritical progressives the next time you’re patting yourselves on the back for having so many “feel good” thoughts.
sicilian1 to AY,
“Another ignorant.”
I am what you think I am. I will not try and change your mind on that either.
“I NEVER said I was trying to feed my family by selling drugs. Get the quotes correct.
July 7, 2009 @9:09
“some kid selling bags of dope in the ghetto to put food on his table””
So one is to infer that you were not referring to yourself, how interesting. But do I care. Not for a NY minute.
“”I was talikung [sp] in reference to over charging defendants who have minimal involvement the giving them excess time that is undeserving when they are nobodies. And how a prosecutor’s ability to sleep at night after doing that is an abomination.”
I could not agree more. But how does that affect you again?
“Take my comments in their context. And stop being an iggnorant.[sp]”
May clear you comments and one can place them in context.
“If you’re going to quote me quote me right and in context.”
Make sure you say what you mean and mean what you say. Is that not your credo? Then do it and don’t dance like a sissy.
“Refer to:
July 7, 2009 @9:09pm.”
My ending comments and may the Yankee Flipper find your ass before the big boy behind the door.
AY,
It affects me b/c I CARE about other living breathin human beings. I know that EVERYBODY loves someone AND SOMEONE loves them.
Every human is due by the fact that they live and breath, DIGNITY, RESPECT and EQUAL OPPORTUNITY.
Those are concepts you only read about in your theorum’s. You have proven that you do NOT really believe them. Like the good progressive you are you only talk the talk, you could NEVER walk the walk.
After what I revealed, and especially about those poor souls who’s lives are ruined from falling through the cracks you should be outraged.
The fact that that goes right over your head proves you are a hypocrite. You do NOT have the insight to existentially examine yourself.
With the prior post I had fun toying w/you progressives. But now I am filled w/disdain and contempt for your hypocricy and your inability to even see it for yourselves.
Do you ever get tired of the droning hatred rolling around inside your little head?
1) Venom does not make you right.
2) When defeated, it’s never a good idea to run about screaming about how you’re the victor unless you just want to look like a loon.
3) Wishful thinking is not logic.
4) Attacking someone like AY who has tried to help you is about as an attractive personality trait as humping dead animals.
5) mespo has your number, felon. You’re a wannabe.
But please, keep raving on about how you’ve bested people you clearly haven’t. Keep raving about it until the men with the funny coat with sleeves that tie in the back come and give you a ride to where the nice nurse has some pills and glass of juice for you.
LEARN
WHEN
TO
GIVE
UP.
Because performing the same action over and over and expecting a different result is one of the definitions of insanity.
But then again, apparently learning isn’t your strong suit. Even if it’s learning when to cut bait. It is clear that you got caught, Mr. Felon, and now it’s easy to see why. You’re clearly too stupid and/or too crazy to know when to stop OR you’re being paid to be a contrarian illogical fool. Either way, that still spells “loser”.
There is no way you look like a winner in any of this, sport. Try as you might and delude yourself all you want, but from an objective standard you lost a long, long time ago, troll. And your mouth is the steam shovel that keeps on digging you further down into that pit of defeat.
But please continue. It’s your right. Just as it’s our right to smack down your foolishness. If you go hunting bear, either don’t be surprised when one eats you or take up rabbit hunting instead.
Mespo,
You are such a dishonest cherry-picker.
You quote my criminal admittance in my blog.
But you do not point out my college education which I also made reference to. I came from a classic upper suburban middle class upbringing. My pursuit of a criminal lifestyle was a choice of which I took full responsibility.
I am not a hypocrite unlike those who hide behind their badges and the seal of the DOJ. They act as if they are noble when their merciless dirty tricks only corrupt the system all the more.
I have food the higher up the criminal food chain I rose the more you could trust the honor and word of those with whom you dealt. The civilian world is filled w/weak, dishonest charlatan’s such as yourself. You sing plattitudes about constructs of which you are incapable of ever living up to and against the lifestyles of which you know nothing about. You are a naive, scared to death insignificant nobody. You were not endowed with the natural constitution to represent anything of substance and the praises you sing and causes you claim to defend are only lip service.
Mespo,
Remember this for all time. It’s guys like me who are responsible for your existence and lifestyle.
It’s guys like me that guys like you would DIE to represent. Guys like me could pay guys like you more money in one case than you could make in 10 years hustling cases at the local district court and picking up every court appointed case you can just to pay your rent.
It doesn’t sound like you’ve ever been in a criminal court house. And if you haven’t I advise you NEVER even entertain the thought of doing so. Federal criminal law is ONLY reserved for the BIG-TIMERS, those playing play for blood and it’s filled w/pirahna’s on both sides. We’d see a guy like you coming a mile away and just out of sympathy we’d send you back where you came to save you from getting in over your head and getting hurt.
So just be content being the hack lawyer you are, hustling a payday like any common snake-oil salesman.
But remember, it’s hacks like you that undermine the whole system and allow it to perpetuate yourself. And keep fawning over the feds as they preen for your salutations then laugh behind your back at what an insignificant you are. We need more lawyers like mine who aren’t afraid to go toe-to-toe w/the feds, lawyers who take their pledge to defend the rights of the accussed seriously, lawyers who hold the arrogance and bullying tactics of the feds in contempt, lawyers who know that every accussed deserves to be defended vigorously and without predjudice b/c they know that if the liberties of the accussed are compromised in even the slightest then all our liberties as citizens of this nation are at risk, lawyers who do not get scared and stand their ground against the tyranny of an oppressive state.
We don’t need sell-outs like you who are all to ready to compromise their beliefs for their own interest, who are all too willing to be mistified by the faux majesty of the “state” who only wants to encroach on our liberties little-by-little.
You try to besmirch me when I never excused my behaviour. Unlike you I am able to view treality outside the prism of my own self interests.
I do NOT cry out in outrage over myself. I cry out in outrage over those who are less fortunate and have fallen victim to the tyranny of the “state”. I only gave my circumstance as an example to show how if it could happen to me, someone able to “dance” w/the feds a little bit, someone who was able to get good criminal representation, imagine what happens to the less fortunate.
But you as a hypocrite do NOT understand that. And are so narrow minded that you were unable to see the forest through the trees of my example to grasp the larger point.
I implore you; turn in your law liscense. You are a disgrace to your profession and do not deserve the right to represent a jay-walking case. You are a sell-out of the highest degree.
rofl
Buddha,
You may be laughing but Siddarthura is certainly crying.
Your rhetoric is certainly lacking. Trying to turn my exposure of your hypocricies around on me are lame.
You spout only propaganda but as I have pointed out you are only a talker.
I have nothing to be afraid of. I served my time and am now a civilian so I can speak w/out worry.
You do not care about the things you claim to represent.
If you weren’t so ignorant and narrow minded you would be able to understand my point about those swallowed by the system. I only bring up myself as an example to enlighten about how if it can happen to me, who was “hip-to-the-game”, others are nothing but food for fodder.
But being thje hypocritical, arrogant, pompous, vapid, vain charlatan that you are you can not see that and even if you could you do not care b/c you are selfish and only care about how good you think you sound.
Buddha:
I am picturing Lear here screeching against the rising storm. Maybe we should tiptoe away quietly and let him take an aspirin or something?
King Lear:
“Blow, winds, and crack your cheeks! rage! blow!
You cataracts and hurricanoes, spout
Till you have drench’d our steeples, drown’d the cocks!
You sulphurous and thought-executing fires,
Vaunt-couriers to oak-cleaving thunderbolts,
Singe my white head! And thou, all-shaking thunder,
Smite flat the thick rotundity o’ the world!
Crack nature’s moulds, an germens spill at once,
That make ingrateful man!”
Act 3, Scene 2
mespo,
Indeed. The Bard was a wise man and your quote brings to mind The Merchant of Venice (Act 2, Sc. 9), with Sil playing the part of Arragon and everyone else playing Portia.
Arragon:
What’s here? the portrait of a blinking idiot,
Presenting me a schedule! I will read it.
How much unlike art thou to Portia!
How much unlike my hopes and my deservings!
“Who chooseth me shall have as much as he deserves”!
Did I deserve no more than a fool’s head?
Is that my prize? Are my deserts no better?
Portia:
To offend and judge are distinct offices,
And of opposed natures.
So progressives, since I’ve once again exposed you for the intellectual ignorants answer this:
Try to remove your personal biases against me. Forget aboutr the fact that I had the money and influence to make sure my lawyer got me the best plea bargain possible. I know that will be nearly impossible b/c that is mainly what fuels your every action.
Save your soapbox rants.
How is it justified that, the poor, indigent,? those w/out connections or money or influence are handed out time in excess of their complicity or exposure in individual crimes and conspiracies?
How is it justified that the feds tell you to take the plea or if you go to trial you’ll get the max?
And what kind of justice are they really after when the plea bargain offer is decades LESS than what they threaten they’ll ask for if you go to trial and lose? Where is the correlation? Why are they willing to “go easy” w/a plea. But they’ll punish you if you assert your constitutional right to a trial? In my book their heavy-handed intimidation is nothing more than a force play to get you to forego your rights and give in to them. And there willingness to have offers that are so disparate in punishment is evidence that they really do not care about justice and only care about numbers and wins.
Here’s a scenario from a friend:
He took his case to trial. He had one co-defendant. The other co-defendant ended up cooperating and taking a 5 or 6 year sentence in order to testify against my friend and his co-defendant.
The 2 were charged with 4 counts. Then my friend picked up a 5th count b/che intimidated a witness in the case.
The jury acquitted both defendants on the 4 original counts. But my friend was convicted on the witness tampering count.
Ok fed guidlines called for 10-16 months on the tampering charges.
My friend went for sentencing fully ready to do the 10-16 months. Obviously the feds were seeing RED b/c they lost at trial. But they had that one guilty count with which to manipulate and they were going to play it for all they could.
At sentencing the feds moved to ENHANCE my friend with the ACQUITTED conduct. That’s right, they used the ACQUITTED conduct to enhance his guidlines and give him a 40 month sentence.
My friend lost every appeal. (This was before Booker/FanFan)(Which everyone knows didn’t change much b/c the feds can still use the guidelines as an “advisorary” tool)(And if they depart from the guidlines downward the prosecutor appeals and the appeals curciut sends it back for re-sentencing. Clearly a signal that they endorse the harsher guildline sentence or an upward departure)
So was it fair that my friend took it to trial, won on 4 of 5 counts, by the guidelines was only looking at 10-16 months, but the feds sore assed at losing weilded their unchecked power and stuck him with a 40 month sentence AND used the ACQUITTED conduct to do it?
You don’t think that guy had a right to be bitter? And was embittered all the more b/c of the personal hardships he and his family endured through his incarceration?
How about the guys that negotiate a plea bargain say for 10 years in federal prison. Then they go to sentencing fully expecting to get the 10 year sentence. But the good old fed prosecutor unearths a “rat” or two from somewhere in the federal system who gets on the stand and w/no cooboration swears to the sentencing judge that the defendant sold X# of a quantity of drugs for X# of months sometime in the not to distant past?
I’ll tell you what happens. They pull out thje calculators and instead of lokking at the 10 years he had been ready to plea to he’s looking at 20 or 30 years. And there is nothing his lawyer can do about it. Ya, withdraw the plea you say. Good luck. B/c you’ll just be back to square one w/the fed saying, ok now that we got these knew charges he’s looking at X# of years BUT we’ll go easy if he now pleads to X# of years.
And the judges are too afraid to buck the prosecutors b/c if the little punk prosecutor doesn’t like how the judge departed downward, he’ll just use more tax payer money to appeal. And no judge likes to get their cases sent back from the appeals court for re-sentencing.
This plea bargain process has been completely corrupted.
Or how about the old time bank robber I know that had an old fed beef. Got 20 years under the parole system. Paroled in 10. Then spent the next 20 years going in and out of the feds on violations. The thing is that NOT a one of the violations was for ANY new criminal conduct. The feds had a hard-on for him b/c they could never stick nothing new on him so they marked him. They’d manipulate any type of conduct to give him a year or 2 here or there. In and out he went and never once did he committ another crime. He was under the old law so they kept restarting his time over and over. And the only ones who suffered was his family.
Was that fair?
Whay you all need to understand is that if they can do it to people they don’t like then they’ll do it to everyone. The violation of the liberty of one innocent man is not worth the imprisonment of every guilty man. In the halls of justice the end should never justify the means.
I saw the disregard for humanity first hand. I do not cry for me. I thank my maker for giving me the opportunity to live another day. And I was fortunate to have experienced people to look out for me and advise me on the best route to take. If I hadn’t had that then I too would have been swallowed by the system. When I look at the bullet I dodged I am chilled to the bone.
But what about all those who’s future’s are lost to the feds # and power game? They too are humans.
You are ALL raging progressives. You should believe in rehabilitation and second chances and redempytion. In your progressive mantra’s you spout about the rights and liberties being infringed upon at every turn. You talk about your freedoms and how the intolerance of the “state” infringes upon them.
Well, you better believe that it starts right with the criminal justice system. Not every criminal is a crack dealer. Not every criminal was like me; someone deserving of time and sophisticated enough in his behavior to accept that. You know how many guys I did fed time with for some bullsh*t tax beef. Some accounting mistake that the feds then threatened w/all kinds of confiscations of personal property? B/c believe it or not “upstanding citizens” that could happen to you. And don’t think you’ll be shown any mercy b/c you’re a good progressive. You’ll be part of the same #’s game as that inner city crack dealer and you’ll probably end up being his cellmate.
You rant against me b/c I had my one fed felony. Big deal. You sound like all those radical “tough-on-crime” “repubs” that you hate.
People don’t wear either white or black hats. Everyone wears a grey hat. And just b/c someone has the DOJ seal behind them does not mean they’re above corruption or dangerous zealotry. And just b/c someone makes their money in what may be considered a “shady” way does not mean they’re all bad and deserve to be locked up.
And for you progressives to defend these dishonorable law enforcement officers that only use their positions to bully makes you sound like some “yahoo”, “red-state” law-and-order” zealot that approves of every expansion of government.
The “cop” show that gives me the biggest laugh is A&E’s “Manhunters” It is common knowledge in the feds that Marshall’s do NOT go looking for ANYBODY. Least of all the cases on “Manhunters”
When somebody runs the Marshall’s do NOT expend an ounce of energy. They just wait till the fugitive gets picked up on some traffic beef or assault rap or some other stupid crime that gets him arrested. As soon as the locals run the sheet and the guys come up fugitive, they call the Marshall’s who then bring the guy into federal custody. That’s how the Marshall’s operate. They don’t move a muscle. You couldn’t offer them O.T. to move a muscle b/c they know how to play the game.
Any time someone gets picked up they never even fight b/c they know what’s up. I had a friend of mine tell me that any time the feds hit him he runs and just waits untill he gets caught. He told me that he can run anynwhere set up shop and have a good run untill they catch up w/him b/c he said they never look.
But this stupid show glorifies these punks as if they’re modern day Texas Ranger’s, flying all over the states to catch bad guys.
It’s the biggest made for Tv propaganda “cop” show they ever invented. But people buy into this hero worship of these fakers.
Cop shows are a detriment to society. And don’t think for one second the cops or prosecutors believe in real justice. It’s just some word thet throw around to mask their corruption and apathy.
sicilian1 1, July 8, 2009 at 4:59 pm
Save your soapbox rants.
_____
Take your own advice.
Buddha,
You are the most ignorant, psude intekllectual on this site.
You have been exposed as a fraud who does not really believe or is ready to defend the ideologies you spout from your ivy-tower.
You are NOT even capable of even a morsel of introspection on any topic. And certainly not capable of any personal introspection.
You are a charlatan only concerned w/the false identity of an enlightened type that you have failed to convince.
You do NOT have an original thought in your feeble mind. All your little attempts at humor or sarcasm are obvious ripped off from some rote handbook you bought at Barnes and Nobles.
All your rants are pre-programmed from your progressive handbook. You throw out buzz words like “Rovian” and do NOT even realize how you are guilty of “Rovian” tactics.
You are like all the rest of your progressive types who only live to pat themselves. You are consumed with vanity and vapidity. You are blinded by your ignorance and arrogance. You are a one note pony only capable of manipulating everything into an anti-Bush rant.
You are an insult to Siddarthura.
And you’re an insult to meat. What’s your point? Other than your head?
I have no problem calling you an idiot for as long as you act like one, felon.
Scilian1:
First off I would like to say I believe that any man that does prison time and pays his debt is offered a clean slate and a chance at redemption. No one can judge another mans soul.
But Mespo727272 does bring up a good point, namely have you contacted the victims of your crimes and apologized sincerely and made attempts at financial restitution? Obviously if your crimes were not against individuals per se that is a moot point. But no crime is really victimless, did you sell drugs or have girls or was it hijacking shipments, etc.? Some crimes are beyond redemption-child molestation, murder, rape.
I am guessing here but part of Mespo727272′s lack of respect has to do with his respect for Thomas Jefferson. Property rights are a fundamental concept in any free society and your trouncing of them through crime is a slap in the face of any civilized society. An individual’s property is sacrosanct and destruction or theft is a very fundamental transgression.
If you can ask forgiveness have you and have you tried to make restitution?
Continue w/your ad hominem insults. They in NO way decrease my credibility and only serve to note your inferior skills of which I’ve certainly proven are NO match for me.
Do you understand you ignorant, that casting dispersions on someones character that have NO relevance to the questions is a classic ad hominem trick that one who does not possess the ability to defend themselves uses to try to divert attention away from their own deficiencies.
You are the most predictable ignorant that I’ve ever exposed. You continuously go to the same well w/no luck.
You’re bag of tricks are laughable. The only thing you continue to do is prove that you are a robot who can only give the same exact rant to every topic. You are so myopic in your insight that you lend absolutely nothing to any discussion as you only look to pounce on an opening to manipulate a circumstance to give your same tired old rants.
You are the one who is truly the insignificant gnat. W/those feeble little asides that prove nothing accept an inability to articulate.
IS,
First off, I accepted full responsibility for my crimes of which I was charged and punished. That is what the justice system is about.
As a member of an ethnicity who has had war declared upon it by a corrupt and oppressive government, I do not apologize for anything I did b/c not only were me and my people part of a tradition that not only protected their fellow brethern but only developed what was the highest form of capitalism.
You do NOT believe me? All the tricks of the trade that we developed and exploited throughout the century have only been adopted by the government which employs them by force and threat of prosecution.
They have only “marked” my type b/c we were able to manipulate the system from w/in. If we had been a tax paying organization they would leave us alone. But b/c we did NOT give them their undeserved pound of flesh we have been identified as the enemy.
Do NOT think I am the bad guy. Guys like me just have to sit back and let people come to us. They beg to get involved w/us.
The govn’t could NOT fight us on an even playing field so they had to write RICO into law. The most back-door, invasive, corrupt law on the books.
After being hit w/a RICO and experiencing the wrath of the federal govn’t I came to the conclusion that it is better to just be a normal civilian b/c you can not battle those who write the rules.
Anytime anyone wants to respond Silician1 I want you to say “I’m ignorant and it’s been proven that I don’t think for myself.” That way: You’ll save yourself the trouble of typing your response; Sicilian the the trouble of telling you you’re ignorant and that it’s been proven that you don’t think for yourself; People like me the trouble of scrolling past his rants and your (less and less) mildly entertaining taunts in the hope that an actual conversation was going on.
Gyges,
Save your insults they do not effect me.
If you are so intellectually challenged that you can not discern b/t an insult and a point of topic w/in a rant then you are proving my point of your ignorance. Or maybe it’s ADHD b/c the dissertations are too long for your mind to process.
Scilian1:
I just figured it out, since you did not pay any taxes (which I would do if I could figure out how to do it legally) and were a pure capitalist you are to be reviled. Now it makes sense.
Thank you for clearing it up.
I hope you stashed a bunch of your money in offshore accounts. Taxes are paid because of the full force and power of the government. At least you were honest and used a gun and there was no double speak.
IS,
I did nothing any different than the BUSH/OBAMA administration did w/their faux bailouts.
Tell me what was so different about:
Lend people who beg, and beg, and beg, and beg, and promise the moon and stars for as much monet as you’ll put in their hands. You extend credit and forgive late payments over and over and you give them more and more money as they continue to beg and promise the whole time using YOUR money to indulge themselves and rob Peter-to-pay-Paul.
Finally you decide to call in your markres on these shameless deadbeats who never had any intention of really paying, their only goal was to meet their interest payments and continue the shell game for as long as possible.
So you SUMMON these deadbeats to a meeting and proceed to instruct these deadbeats who you’ve so indebted to yourself that you now own their business and they will do what you tell them to do, how to do it and when to do it. You tell them that ALL other creditors or investors are to be told to go-pound-sand. You tell them to tell those creditor’s who protest to come see you and when they do, if they’re nice, thwey’ll get a payoff but if they’re fresh they’ll definitely be out of luck.
Then if the business can be salvaged, then you’ll make a nice salary. If it’s a lemon you bleed it for all it’s worth untill you cut ties.
I used to do this w/legitimate business’ and illegal business’. And there was nothing anyone could do or anywhere they could go.
And these were not innocents who were preyed upon. These people came to me begging me to bail them out. They were such deadbeats that they had no where else to go. They had tapped out every legitimate institution and stiffed them all that I was there last option. But the fact was that they couldn’t stiff me.
For the illegal operators. They had nothing to cry about. They decided to play be the rules of the “life” so they had to accept the consequences.
These corrupt govn’t administrations did the exact same thing that we have been doing for over a century. Lending money, rewriting loans, forgiving late payments, compromising industries to such an extent that the govn’t owns them lock-stock-and-barrell. And everyone else has to go pound sand.
I don’t excuse and I don’t resent. I just point out the hypocricy of these corrupt govn’ts that have stolen our playbook. If we’re all guilty of RICO then the govn’t is the ULTIMATE RICO.
But everybody wants to praise the govn’t as they usurp our liberties!!!
These cops and prosecutor’s are nothing but tools to keep us in line. The Judiciary is used to LEGISLATE our rights away from us.
Power has been centralized, policing has been centralized and our liberties are being taken away by a centralized machine.
They could not function unless these SCARED to death judges and justices conttinued to make laws and rulings that encroach on our freedoms more and more. And it all begins and ends in the Federal criminal AND civil venue where the powers are unchecked and these authoritarians do what they want.
But these so-called progressives (B/c this pro-police attitude seems to me to be some YAHOO right wing ideology) want to turn cops and feds as if they are above reproach. Some kind of nobles incapable of corruption.
At least you recognized my honesty. Taxes and authoritarian dictates that usurp our liberties are only enforced by the full force and power of the govn’t.
Not paying taxes. Being a pure capitalist. Like the in tradition of my ancestors, all we do is infultrate from w/in and use the system of the tyranical opressor’s against ittself.
I retired from the “life” and decided to become a straight civilian b/c you can NOT beat the man. They write the rules however they see fit. I decided I like my psuedo-liberties that I still enjoy better than straight incarceration.
Sil1,
See you make a positive post and make a valid point. But if someone disagrees with you, you attack. Why? You appear brighter than that.
AY,
I only attack when I am attack.
All these ad hominem attacks against me b/c I was a felon are IRRELEVANT.
It’s either the exposure of their ingrained biases or it’s that they’re so dishonest that they’re willing to compromise themselves just to attack me.
Ad hominem biases ONLY exposes the ignorance of the attacker.
My initial posts were not that far off from many of the progressive views on this site. But there are those biased against me b/c I’ve exposed them, and done so rudely, I will admit, but NO one could ever cause me to cloud my beliefs and principles to engage in an exclusive ad hominem assault just b/c I’m biased against a particular person or their views.
Thank you for the compliment.
Sil1,
No one is attacking you at the present. Just look at how you are talking with me. No one knows anything about you unless you tell them and yes, there are some here that will use that as bait against you.
I will say that if you do not attack most here won’t attack. Just stay focused on the issues.
I have been attacked and responded in kind. Let us not forget the purpose of this list and remember that a house divided cannot stand. Some former Republican ideals that the New Democrats adopted. You see it sicken me to hear a Republican utilize the author of those words in support of their ideals/propaganda. There is nothing that this man supported that they would as well.
You see most people do not read and the ones that do read most do not understand what they read. You have an advantage on them don’t you see. You are not only knowledgeable but street smart/savvy as well.
AY,
I will try to maintain my composure.
I never have viwed issues as “black” or “white”. Life is filled w/subtleties and we need to reflect upon them all untill we come to a decision.
Thank you for the advice.
sicilian1:
“As a member of an ethnicity who has had war declared upon it by a corrupt and oppressive government, I do not apologize for anything I did b/c not only were me and my people part of a tradition that not only protected their fellow brethern but only developed what was the highest form of capitalism.”
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As one from the same “ethnicity” presumably, I can tell you that the hard-working, law-abiding majority of us are sick and tired of wiseguys like you being the stereotype for an entire subculture. You have brought discredit to us all in the eyes of the wider society,and we are continually trying to distance ourselves from the most prominent scar on our character embodied by doltish thugs and hooligans who use every nefarious tactic available. For every wise guy, there’s 15 Fiorello La Guardia’s but who could tell from the movies, books, or TV? You owe the rest of us an apology for having to overcome the roadblocks your ilk has erected against generations of Italian-Americans for the simple and base purpose of lining their own pockets. You’re a disgrace.
Mespo727272:
I don’t think, at least in today’s society, that many people harbor any ill will toward Italian Americans. And anyway isn’t the plight of any generation of immigrants pretty much the same?
Look at the Hispanics of today, gangs, drugs, crime. The boxers always tell the tale of a races rise to acceptance and prosperity.
Scilian1:
I agree with you, the government has nothing on the Dons. At least when you go see them you know what the price is and how long you are going to pay. The other thing is that they aren’t going to put you out of business because they want the cash you generate.
I for one will take a loan-shark any day of the week over some government weasel.
IS,
Hint, hint you don’t take a loan shark, they take you.
Mespo,
I will take AY’s advice and not continue to respond to your ad hominem attacks with vitriol.
How many times do I continue to have to expose your bias, arrogance, hypocricy, lack of knowledge on many topics (Including your own profession)?
You would think that after the way I schooled you about affirming the consequent you would stop engaging me as an adversary? Can’t you wake up?
I’ve already explained to you that guys like me make it possible for guys like you to exist.
Lets talk real. Try to be honest w/yourself. You would sell your soul to represent me. Not only would your official filing as my counsel make your career for as long as you practiced (Which would in fact be priceless) but I’d probably pay you more in one case than you’d make in 10 years. You die for that so you could stop hustling cases and representing deadbeats for whatever they could scrape together, stop filing your name on the court appointed PD list just to keep a regular cash flow, stop grinding out ambulance chasing PI cases just for a little quick payday. As I said, a guy like me would put you on the criminal defense attorney map that you’d have so many guys calling your office you’d have to hire more secrataries and start turning people away.
I’m here to talk real. I been around alot of people and they talk their trash BUT when their around REAL guys, I don’t care from what walk of life thjey are, THEY ARE STRAIGHT STAR_STRUCK by my type of guy.
Lawyers, prosecutor’s, cops, other inmates, jail c.o’s, they all roll out the red carpet for the real “guinea’s”. Even the arresting feds are so star-struck and show us so much respect, they feel honored to just arrest us, prosecutor’s and judges LOVE to get our cases. B/c we can make their careers and they know it.
I been around the Soprano cast and they act like little kids around us.
Everywhere we go we get treated like royalty. They can talk all that crap in the media BUT go find out from the feds if they still don’t consider my people significant
If you knew “SOMEBODY” you’d love it. You only talk your crap b/c you probably never been around it. But if that “life” and “element” was available, you can talk your crap, but you’d embrace it.
Oh sure, you’ll continue to deny and get on your higher degree of moarality soapbox BUT take it from a guy who knows and has been around people from all walks of life, WE are the ultimate celebrities b/c everyone knows we’re the real deal.
Foiorello La Guardia. Rudolph Giuliani. Please don’t make me laugh. They’re hypocrites who made a name for themselves off of guys like me. Don’t buy into that propaganda. They pumped us up and made every guy w/a vowel at the end of their name a villian b/c it served their purposes of making them heroes.
You are a disgrace and your ad hominem insults have no effect. I rather be a MAN who’s family can go anywhere in the world and drop my name b/c if I don’t know that person, I know somebody who knows somebody who at least knows somebody than you who is nothing but a weak sell out hack lawyer.
You talk the talk but don’t be so presumptive untill you been there. And don’t be so quick to deny b/c I know different.
sicilian1 1, July 8, 2009 at 10:49 pm
Mespo,
I will take AY’s advice and not continue to respond to your ad hominem attacks with vitriol.
You did not do too well.
IS,
At least you are living in reality and don’t buy this ridiculous propaganda that the govn’t and those in power are of the highest moral character.
They are the hypocrites, at least you have given me the credit for not being a hypocrite.
Thank you.
AY,
I’m sorry to disappoint. I tried my best. But I do think that I was a little less vitriolic than usual.
Bear with me I’m trying a new tactic. I hope I improved a little bit.
Scilian1:
In a choice between the federal government and your “type” of people I will take your type any day of the week. I would rather have you to dinner at my house rather than an IRS agent. Government bureaucrats are the real scum, they hurt innocent people at least you guys, as far as I know, only give it to others that are not so innocent.
If I had only the choice between being an IRS agent or joining your “company” there would be no hesitation, I would be a company man. At least I could sleep with a clean conscience.
Sil,
I’m going to call bullshit.
You came in here initially ad hominem and then found out you couldn’t take the heat, so now it’s back to “poor me”. Yeah. Well, the last two posts were probably the first thing you wrote that wasn’t pure troll trash, so how about you building on that and moving forward because that “poor me” isn’t going to get you any sympathy around here, Sil. In fact, it’s ridiculous and calling bs is the least of the ridicule that deserves.
You want to reform your ways? Fine. There’s room for that. There is precedent. Look at Jim Byrne. He made the same mistake of coming in hot and pushing an agenda (albeit apparently mistakenly so in his case), but he fixed it almost immediately and now has something of value to contribute. You, on the other hand, just have to blame someone else for your bad luck in target selection. Us big bad bloggers just picked on the poor little felon for no reason – you were just being a progressive when us nasty progressives attacked you. Uh huh. Except that’s not how this place works. Never has.
You want to be treated like a man? Then be a man about it.
You came in like a weenie and you got sat down for it, so suck it up, admit you were an ass, get over it and keep contributing at THAT level (as in the last two posts before the poor me post) and people MIGHT start treating you better, Sil. Otherwise, you’ll still be a troll. Playing the victim in no way changes that. In fact, it just makes you look petty. You should listen to AY. He’s really going the extra mile to help you despite the fact you’ve been tool to him too. You want to EARN some respect? Follow his lead, because this is the real world here, not “the street” or “the game”, but how things actually work with properly educated people – respect is earned, not due. The whole “you owe me respect for nothing” is a thug life bullshit concept created by people unable to use their minds to earn any – be they criminals or cops or politicians.
No one is going to give you respect.
But we will let you earn it.
sicilain1:
“You would sell your soul to represent me.”
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I wouldn’t let you in my office. Though a Democrat, I have represented the chair of the State Republican Party; co-counseled on a pivotal 4th Circuit case with Lee Bailey; represented the Federal Correctional Officers Union; represented and sued various Fortune 500 companies; served as state counsel in two mass tort cases with over 5000 litigants nationwide; represented scores of businesses and private individuals including family members of three sitting judges in four states from Virginia to California with published appellate decisions in three of those states. To be honest, I don’t need or desire any cases for wiseguys. I find them dimwitted, self-absorbed, and firmly convinced they know more than anyone else on the courtroom, and who become increasingly belligerent when their little world comes crashing down. My, that description rings a bell!
What Buddha said. Amen.
Buddha,
You do NOT deserve any respect or credibility.
The position I’ve been articulating on this post for the last few days is reminiscent of the same anti-establishment you rant about on every post you sign onto.
Most of your posts are so regurgitated that I think you only remove key words just to make your post relevant.
Your misrepresentation will not work. I made a point and it was you and you’re hypocritical friends who tried not discredit me with the ad hominem felon tag. And you are so biased that you would impune your own principles to attack me.
What? Are your feelings hurt b/c I’ve repeatedly exposed you. Can you not come to terms with your own inadequecies? Are you so blinded by your frustration?
I do not need your approval for anything> If you want to deny the relevant points I make then do so. It doesn’t make you right.
Please save your vitriol b/c you only expose youself all the more.
Mespo,
Of course you would agree w/a fellow sychophant.
You have been discredited by me repeatedly. Please look in the mirror and accept the way I continue to expose you.
Buddha may be many things, but never a regurgitator of another’s thoughts. His history here proves that abundantly. Ask around!
MESPO,
Of course you would deny as I predicted. Are you kidding me? Stop lying to yourself and acting like your above it all.
I know people. That’s one thing we know> And I know what people will do to be associated w/us.
I’m talking real. A guy like me would make a guy like you eat your words b/c you know once you represent guys like me you make more money for less work.
You expand your bank account just by filing appearences.
Save your resume b/c you’d give it all up to have a guy like me as a client.
You’re a LAWYER. Since when did you guys get standards. Try to run that game on someone who doesn’t know. You’ve guys have been selling you souls for money since the beginning of time. There’s NOBODY alive that believes there’s a such thing as an honest criminal defense attorney
MESPO,
You continue tyo expose how unintellifent you are.
Yes, a regurgitator of his own SET rants.
If you don’t catch Buddha’s rant on one post you’ll catch the exact same rant with only key words edited.
He says the same rant over and over day after day.
That’s what I said about his regurgitation.
How did you ever graduate from college let alone law school?
I see you’ve decided to keep acting like a douchebag.
Nice.
I hope your ass is about 12 times larger than when you went in prison, felon. That way you’ll be ready for the storm you just invited upon yourself.
sicilian1:
“You’re a LAWYER. Since when did you guys get standards. Try to run that game on someone who doesn’t know. You’ve guys have been selling you souls for money since the beginning of time. There’s NOBODY alive that believes there’s a such thing as an honest criminal defense attorney.”
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Your in either the wrong century or geography, my friend. Just because you exist in a quagmire of corruption and vice, doesn’t mean we all do. Maybe you need a sabbatical or justa trip to the country. I had hoped your meanderings around this blog would show you that honor and noble purposes don’t come from intimidation and live among the savages, but from rules of propriety that you either never knew or abandoned long ago. The problem with being an outlaw is that you no longer have the protection of the law, and hence you tend to distrust or minimize it. Maybe your idea of truth and honor was forged during your days of crime? From that warped perspective comes your logic. But don’t think for a moment that men of honor and intellect are weak, disheartened, or rare. Your host on this blog and those you routinely disparage (present company excluded) should have shown you that. That your experience here didn’t says infinitely more than my admittedly small (as you are happy to point out) intellect can muster. What you don’t know, can hurt you.
Mespo,
Just for the record I am a civilian at this point in my life so I am only engaged in legal pursuits.
You are the LAWYER. DUH!!!! Do you REALLY actually believe that your world is pure?
Are you that naive or just a propagandist?
The LAW is MORE corrupt at this point in history than EVER.
That goes for the civil and criminal venue.
There are TOO many hacks like you crowding up the profession who thinks a law liscense is a liscence to steal money.
Save your rhetoric for the naive.
As I already explained b/c of my position there was NO way I would be under represented. Over and over I’ve explained to you that I was more than happy and felt fortunate to be able to afford and have the right connections to put me in touch w/the proper representation.
My concern is for the poor souls who are sold out by insensitive, apathetic, judgemental hacks like you. IT is guys like you who give your profession a bad name.
Nowadays you’ve got judges legislating from the bench to usurp our liberties. And it’s corrupt federal prosecutor’s and spineless attorney’s like you unwilling to stand up to them.
Please do not try to defend your profession. The honorable are rare nowadays.
You must be the first felon happy that his lawyer didn’t get him off. But then again, some men like showering with other men and eating green bologna sandwiches while wondering if their cell mate is going to stab them in the eye with a sharpened toothbrush. It’s a personal choice. Please do not try to defend your profession.
I was happy w/my attorney b/c I knew I was guilty and I was only looking for him to soften my landing.
I know how the real world works.
And I’m NOT a hypocrite.
Your irrelevant attacks do NOT gain you any points. You only speak in generalities and assumptions and biases.
Your ignorance knows no bounds and you humor is lame. I will advise you as I’ve advised many, please keep your day job.
Uh huh.
You are exactly a hypocrite. And a clueless criminal wing-nut too. But you prove that daily.
So tell me why exactly were you happy to go to prison again?
Because you were guilty?
Of a felony.
Which one?
I’m thinking pedophilia since you’re not enough of a man to apologize and take a fresh start when offered to you. Children would be a less intimidating target for a brilliant Lex Luthor type master criminal such as yourself. Many pedophiles are glad to go to prison because it saves them from their compulsion. But I’ll have to say in all the criminals I’ve ever dealt with, you’re the first I’ve ever seen glad he was both guilty and incarcerated. I’ve seen guys happy they were caught because it interfered with their additions and thus saved their lives, but none were EVER happy to be guilty and sent up the river. To a one they’d have chose rehab if given the second change. So is that why you went to prison, Sil? Do you like the children?
addictions
Their math was just fine for undereducated criminals.
HEY ignorant,
I was happy b/c my lawyer was able to negotiate a good plea as well as all the other co-defendants’ lawyers did also.
As I’ve explained ad nauseum you ignorant fool, once the feds come after you, no matter the evidence, you are doing time. So the best you can hope for is a good lawyer who can minimize your time as much as humanly possible.
You continue to display how truly unintelligent you are. And you’re attempts to shift me off topic w/your lame baiting is uneffective. I am truly to shrewd to fall for your tricks.
Your games are ineffective.
The depths of your inability to grasp what I’ve said is mind boggling.
As I said, I was guilty and was only happy that my lawyer could minimize my sentence. That is truly something of which to be grateful.
And I am only proud that I was man enough to accept my responsibilty and of the truly honorable life I lived. You would never know the deep pride one is filled w/to know that their word is considered gold. That they are stand up guys who other consider it to be an honor when you drop there name, and they and there family can hold there heads high wherever they go.
These are concepts foriegn to an insignificant like yourself.
Try to stick to the parameters and stop clouding the topic b/c your rhetoric will NEVER work on me.
And as I already said you fool. My case was an OC RICO case. I had a 748 # in the feds. What do you know about that chump? Ask your sychophant buddy Mespo about that. But seeing what a hack lawyer he is he probably don’t know.
Those w/a 748#, that’s O.C. my ignorant friend. And it’s a staus symbol, among all in the federal sytem. Even the prosecutor’s and cops want to be on a 748.
“OC RICO” is an organized crime racketeering influenced and corrupt organizations case. sicilian 1 is a wise guy. Yippee!
Come on everyone if Sil1 is a troll then the Trolls are winning. I may not like like his conviction, nor his methodology of response aka attack but are we not more educated and trained to sift through the BS. It sounds more like a person whom knows our weaknesses has been around a while and is utilizing this inside information to divide this blawg.
This is why I have gone about responding in the way I have. Come on. I have a lot of respect for a lot of you folks here, to wit mespo, buddha, mike’s, ff leo, is, jill etc.
Let us focus on what we can do better rather than divide.
As far as Obama I did not vote for him. I would have voted for McCain if he had not picked Palin. I cast my vote for Nader. I have worked inside the political belt and what happens is sickening.
If Obamas stance is true regarding retaining detainees that are acquitted and/or never tried I think he should be Tried as well as the Bush Admin. But the powers that be we know will never allow that. Too much is at stake.
Look at AIG-UK and Bushes role after 911 you will see why we are more involved in world finance than ever before. I will not compare my knowledge to that of Deep Throat but pretty damn close. That is all.
You will see that Allen Stanford is not guilty of what the Government has charged him with. They could not break the code of his control so they are doing what they can to do what they can to learn how he operated his empire.
There is some truth to Sil1′s statements. Just bare in mind the government will do what it can to gain what it can. It will fry the small to middle and the big ones are usually the politicians best friends.
AY:
“Come on everyone if Sil1 is a troll then the Trolls are winning. I may not like like his conviction, nor his methodology of response aka attack but are we not more educated and trained to sift through the BS. It sounds more like a person whom knows our weaknesses has been around a while and is utilizing this inside information to divide this blawg.”
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What makes this blawg different is the level of discourse used to educate and challenge. When someone comes here to self-promote or attack for attacks sake, I think we have every right to verbally confront him or her. That is what has happened here with a little vituperativeness to spice up the dialog. I see no obligation to suffer fools gladly.
I see no obligation to suffer fools gladly.
Seconded.
RICO . . . so you’re sure you’re not a pedo?
Because you sure act like the type, Sil.
Scilian1:
I must protest about your thinking all lawyers are scum sucking bottom feeders. I know 2 that are not, my father in-law and his partner. Both are very decent men and defend their clients with gusto. I am sure out of the hundreds of thousands of lawyers in this country most are not corrupt but work inside a corrupted system. To manage to do this and keep your sanity says volumes about the character and abilities of these men and women.
I think your derision should be reserved for the system which is, as you so aptly pointed out, corrupt. I suppose I see your point though, why don’t the decent lawyers rise up and change things, the fact that they don’t also speaks volumes about their character. It takes a person of enormous character and intellect to stand against an immoral force as you well know from your side of the “aisle”. Although I use immoral force in your case as the status quo.
Buddha,
You don’t even have the common decency to respect the owner of this site JT when he comes on and makes a respectful request.
I will let your continued ignorant posts stand as evidence that everything I have exposed about you to be true and that all your critics are correct.
Those in the sychophant wing should be quick to distance themselves from this inferior being.
Continue to do the job of indicting yourself w/your own words.
Siddarthura hangs his head in shame.
Stow it troll. I care even less about what you think.
In your vanity and vapidity you can not see how your words always apply to you.
You should take heed of the disrespect you show.
You should take heed that in your stupidity you can stop me about the time Hell freezes solid, troll. You aren’t even close to the best quality troll we’ve had here and none of them have stopped me. In fact, the best quality trolls we’ve ever had became converts in the end or simply disappeared. So good luck. You’ll need it.
You can’t even vote. Your opinion means less than that of an uneducated 18 y.o. if for no other reason than you have less ability to influence political outcomes than they would.
You should take heed of that too.
Buddah, Mespo, Sicilian.
The Buddah, Mespo, Sicilian flame war is getting tedious and is distracting the 3 of you from real issues.
Humans do not like to be insulted, so if you throw an insult do not be surprised if the target becomes angry and throws 2 back. The best way to put out a flame war is to stop responding insult to insult, calm down a bit and reply to any significant points and remove all loaded and insulting words from your reply before hitting submit. If there are no significant points worth reply then don’t reply.
In my view Sicilian has some valid points, I find myself 95% in agreement with him but he has some anger issues that make him somewhat thin skinned, but Buddah and Mespo are also thin skinned and behaving as in a schoolyard fight.
Sicilian, some people don’t like the idea that a criminal may not be appropriately contrite, stop emphasising how proud you are to be a Mafioso, stop pushing this barrow and you will stop irritating Buddah and Mespo.
During your flame war you have missed, some significant opportunities to extend debate. For example, felony disenfranchisement is one reason George Bush won in 2000, in addition the Florida republicans purged many likely Democratic voters from the voting rolls on the basis of their being felons when they were not if fact felons. Loose data matching was used to get as many false positives as possible in minority voting districts. See this post at Greg Palast’s site.
http://www.gregpalast.com/bbc-journalist-warns-against-voter-irregularities/
For those who doubt that federal prosecutors are corrupt see the articles in Harpers Magagine on the Siegelman prosecution. the site is down at the moment so I cannot get the links. Also see the articles at Friends of Justice on Alvin Clay http://friendsofjustice.wordpress.com/2008/04/22/the-alvin-clay-story/
Another point worth following up. When anglos commit crimes, noone sees it as reflecting badly on all anglo descended white people so why does the existence of the mafia discredit Italians? Why does each new wave of immigrants bring with it a wave of gang crime based on that ethnicity.
Carlyle Moulton 1, July 10, 2009 at 4:19 am
Buddah, Mespo, Sicilian.
The Buddah, Mespo, Sicilian flame war is getting tedious and is distracting the 3 of you from real issues.
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Ditto and as much as the flame war that someone else and I. I apologize for my Mooing but I could not resist being the protagonist that I am.
Further to my previous post. Harpers magazine site is up again so I can post a link to the most recent of Scott Horton’s articles on the Siegelman prosecution.
http://harpers.org/archive/2009/07/hbc-90005308.
For earlier articles i suggest using Google with the search string
Alabama Siegelman “Scott Horton” and restricting the search to harpers.org
The same search string but with atlargely.com should also produce relevant information.
CM and AY,
If you guys expect me to coddle some dipstick with anger issues (no matter right, wrong or indifferent), you don’t have a very good read on me. I’m not a babysitter for the mentally ill. If I wanted that job, my ex wouldn’t be an ex. His anger and the resulting way he conducts himself is what gets him the harsh treatment he gets. It’s probably what landed him in prison too. Angry people make mistakes. Even Sun Tzu knew that.
He’s been given more than one chance to reform his ways, so screw him. He has the option, just as others do, of not engaging me with his crap. I won’t bite him if he keeps his hand out of the cage.
Finally, while I do like you both, I don’t work for either of you either. You don’t like it, don’t read it. I believe you’ve said the very same thing yourself about your own posts, AY.
Buddha,
I like your posts as well. I think you are funny. That is why I quit responding or commenting to Sil1 for the time being. We all have our likes and dislikes and thus far I have never seen mespo or you respond the way that you have. Some posts like Patty C or who ever she is going by and I wonder in her apparent neurosis she is posting under Sil1′s name. It would not surprise me in the least.
AY,
Agreed. There are times I wish this was IRC. Side channels can make dealing with this sort of thing easier.
Thanks to Carlye for being able to see my points through my admitted vitriol.
At least you are able to hold your biases in check to see how legitimate are my points.
Buddha is such a vapid, vain, dishonest, lying, fraud, who is only interested in preening for his peanut gallery that he is willing to compromise
Sil,
Get stuffed, felon.
Oh, that’s right. You already have been. Repeatedly.
I will stipulate however that someone CONVICTED of a RICO violation calling anyone a fraud or dishonest is just plain funny.
Get back to me when you can vote.
Buddha,
Look at the similarities between Patty C and Sil1 writtings. I think you are being set up and baited.
Buddha,
You’re ignorance is absolutely breathtaking.
You can not even see, you are so blinded by it, how ineffective you are at making any points.
Your m.o. of making a point is to insult and use ad hominem attacks which end up only exposing your own biases and ignorance in your ability to express yourself.
You are biased against anyone who is not taken in by your facade so you try to discredit them. Even when that person is articulating a position onf which you daily rant against (Coruption)
But you are so vain and lacking in self confidence and feel threatened by anyone who doesn’t blindly become one of your sychophants, you are so fueled by the dramatic bias raging inside you that you attack that person. You come off assaulting all the stances that you defend. And you do it only b/c your sick ego forces you to do so.
What? are you trying to say that I did not bring up any relevance that the system is corrupt.
You are the worse liar to yourself I have ever seen.
At least Mespo is coming from a bias where he disapproves of my representation of a shared ethnicity.
At least Mespo is coming from a bias where he was on different sides as far as the justice debate.
Although I work to play tit-for=-tat w/Mespo, it is an agree-to-disagree w/him b/c he will obviously maintain his bias being that he is part of the profession while my experiences came from the other side. He has more relevance although he does try to soil me w/an irrelevance of a felony conviction.
But you only expose your dramatic bias for all to see b/c you will compromise your own principles in your imature need to satisfy your ego.
You think that constantly calling me a felon is winning you points. And although that may work w/some other ignorants it is only a shield to protect your ignorance, lack of ability to articulate, and need to get glory from the rest.
You are obviously threatened by my ability to expose you, the relevant points I make and my refusal to be another one of your water carriers.
Remember, I rage against the corruption of the system as much as you. I have had first had experience b/c of my felony conviction. I do NOT cry for myself but for the poor souls who have suffered a fate worse than death> I was able to have an existential change of heart and gain immeasurable sympathy for those swallowed whole by the sytem b/c I witnessed it first hand. It wasn’t explained to me in some academic setting or in some ivy-tower. I have been in the trenches. My experience gives me relevance. Something you do not respect b/c your ego will not allow it. Your attempts to besmirch me do not make you the winner they only expose all that I say about you.
You are truly a pathetic man. And do not even waste your time responding w/more ad hominem mud-slinging b/c it is not becoming and gains you nothing.
Come on folks. Let’s move on and just drop the sparing. I have given you banana-peeling lessons, Hoe license plate debates, and genie appearances in court. I am running out of shining objects to distract our regulars from each other.
AY,
Oh absolutely. You mistake me for being angry I suppose, but I’ve actually only gotten angry here once – and it got me edited too, a price I was willing to pay at the time and a cost I knew before I responded. Other than that, I’m almost never angry IRL or in here. My normal state is of detached amusement. The attacks now are entering the recycled phase of “I’m a douche” of some sort, but none of them have done anything but damage the attacker. I’m cat like in the respect I play with my food. I’ll get bored eventually. In fact, I’m getting bored with it rapidly, but it’s been a slow week at the office. I hope to alleviate the ennui by taking the Donzi to the lake this weekend.
As I have posted before, I have always assumed that there are two rules at this site:
Rule 1: JT makes the rules.
Rule 2: See Rule 1.
By your leave, Prof.
Prof:
“I am running out of shining objects to distract our regulars from each other.”
Homo Sapiens is a little harder to distract than pongo pygmaeus.
Patty C or whoever this may be today,
Look at the similarities between Patty C and Sil1 writtings. I think yo are in dire need of professional assistance.
Either drink your swill and take the proper dosage of your medication as you once again have prove that female dogs are a higher life form than you could ever achieve. As a matter of fact I have more respect for a mule than you. They bray better than you. Please do not respond again directly to my post.
AY,
The damage is done. You’re throwing matches in that bonfire. Our host has directly asked for a cessation of hostilities between regulars on this thread. Walk away.
Buddha,
I respectfully take your advice.